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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:
- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.
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Rooting for Huk in the upper bracket. I can't choose in the other series, I like both MC and DRG a lot.
My hopes/predictions for the lower bracket-
1st line: MVP. Although Hero's PvT has looked scarily good as of late, I wouldn't be surprised to see him taking it either.
2nd line: Nestea. He already has the extended series lead over Select, and I can't see Kiwikaki's wonky builds throwing him off considering his massive in-game intelligence.
3rd line: MMA. If Leenock manages to get past Slush, I can see him taking this one, but I don't think he'll be able to do that.
4th line: Losira. He will be getting both of his best matchups for the remainder of this line, thankfully he avoids a formidable protoss.
MVP will then move on to take out Nestea. And MMA will move on to take out Losira. They will show why they are the two best TvZ players in the world.
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On November 20 2011 21:56 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:51 Huragius wrote:
I remember one MLG when there were 4 Terrans in Top 6 and the balance whine which was followed by it...
Let's see what hypocrites will have to say after this MLG, where protosses beat the shit out of all zergs and terrans lol. I'll hold you to that. If any less than 4 Protoss get in the top 6, I hope you publicly apologise 
Apologise for what lol ? I wasn't crying that my race was weak, when it obviously wasn't the case of protoss poor performance.
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On November 20 2011 21:37 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:26 WhiteDog wrote:
You're a joke man... Nestea and MVP beaten by Naniwa who can't even qualify himself for Code A doesn't mean shit ? You're good at changing reality, but the truth is protoss is rampaging everything (Gatored beating Ganzi, really ?). Protoss is not "rampaging everything". Ganzi has AWFUL TvP, look at his win ratio. 36%. And this is the guy who took out both Puzzle and Oz. Actually, Ganzi was defeated by Oz...
I just wanna add that Keen elimitated Oz rather convincingly 2:0 . He played awesome. IF the Terran goes for totally passive builds and allows the Protoss to build up he'll lose ( even against probably far worse opponents ) but thats tbh the exact same thing that happens in TvZ if you stay passive too long you'll lose . Terran needs to apply pressure and i think most Terrans know this by now be it by 1-1-1-ish builds or some sorts of Bio pressure. Terrans infrastructure is just up alot faster then the one of Toss and Zerg but is infact inferior in the later stages , Terran has to use that there's no way around that , sadly.
I'm sad Keen is out i think he could've done well but he had to play against Losira who i think is slightly above him.
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On November 20 2011 22:00 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:56 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:51 Huragius wrote:
I remember one MLG when there were 4 Terrans in Top 6 and the balance whine which was followed by it...
Let's see what hypocrites will have to say after this MLG, where protosses beat the shit out of all zergs and terrans lol. I'll hold you to that. If any less than 4 Protoss get in the top 6, I hope you publicly apologise Apologise for what lol ? I wasn't crying that my race was weak, when it obviously wasn't the case of protoss poor performance.
1) I was joking, and
2) You did call every Protoss which commented on balance following an MLG a "hypocrite".
But yeah. I wasn't serious. :D
Oh, and WhiteDog? Please don't bother. You're just stirring up a hornets' nest of balance now.
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On November 20 2011 22:00 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:56 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:51 Huragius wrote:
I remember one MLG when there were 4 Terrans in Top 6 and the balance whine which was followed by it...
Let's see what hypocrites will have to say after this MLG, where protosses beat the shit out of all zergs and terrans lol. I'll hold you to that. If any less than 4 Protoss get in the top 6, I hope you publicly apologise Apologise for what lol ? I wasn't crying that my race was weak, when it obviously wasn't the case of protoss poor performance.
Apologise for playing THAT race.
(joke)
MMA hwaiting!
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How many hours from now 'til the 3rd day start?
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On November 20 2011 22:08 KillAudio wrote:
How many hours from now will the 3rd day start?
less than 2 hrs
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On November 20 2011 21:58 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:26 WhiteDog wrote:
You're a joke man... Nestea and MVP beaten by Naniwa who can't even qualify himself for Code A doesn't mean shit ? You're good at changing reality, but the truth is protoss is rampaging everything (Gatored beating Ganzi, really ?). What a belligerent post. Naniwa beat MVP/Nestea in the Global Invitational, which isn't even the main tournament, and then won ONE bo3 vs Nestea in the main tournament. Protoss is not "rampaging everything". Ganzi has AWFUL TvP, look at his win ratio. 36%. And this is the guy who took out both Puzzle and Oz. Hero completely outplayed every opponent he won against, but yes. HerO did well. Naniwa, MC and Huk have in total won 4 series so far, one of them a PvP. I don't call that Protoss dominance. While Protoss are doing well in the championship bracket/seeding, look at the bottom of this diagram: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence#Championship_BracketThere are 2 total Protoss players left in the lower bracket, out of 20 players. Again, Protoss dominance is all in your head. It's not a belligerent post, it's just a joke to watch protoss whining again and again and again despite obvious results. Yeah, having 3 protoss in the semi and most likely a PvP final (yeah my call, two MLGs back to back) is not impressive. About the lower bracket, it's not even interesting to comment... You have no names fighting against pro players, but overall, in the winner bracket protoss are doing just as good as everybody (out of 74 protoss, 2 get to the final of the open bracket, HerO and State, out of 68 terran only one, MvP, and out of 93 zerg, 5 got into the final). Naniwa with 11% win loss ratio in GSL arguing that Nestea is not good and then winning against him... is not "impressive".
You need to chill a little bit and think about the circumstances: if there are more zerg than protoss and terran combined, how does that show that there is a protoss dominance in the lower bracket? Also, don't forget that the loser's bracket still counts, and there were 6, I believe, Terrans moving forward to the Champ bracket. There are still 11 (6 of them aren't "no-names") Terrans participating, 5 Protoss and 8 Zerg.
And please cut it out with Nani's results in the GSL, it's getting old. The kid's needs to get a bit humble, but don't deny that he is doing pretty good.
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On November 20 2011 21:48 double620 wrote:Oh, was that the guy who did not gg the other day?
yes, the same
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holy punt return batmaaaaaan
MC's show is unforgetable too
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On November 20 2011 22:09 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:58 WhiteDog wrote:On November 20 2011 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:26 WhiteDog wrote:
You're a joke man... Nestea and MVP beaten by Naniwa who can't even qualify himself for Code A doesn't mean shit ? You're good at changing reality, but the truth is protoss is rampaging everything (Gatored beating Ganzi, really ?). What a belligerent post. Naniwa beat MVP/Nestea in the Global Invitational, which isn't even the main tournament, and then won ONE bo3 vs Nestea in the main tournament. Protoss is not "rampaging everything". Ganzi has AWFUL TvP, look at his win ratio. 36%. And this is the guy who took out both Puzzle and Oz. Hero completely outplayed every opponent he won against, but yes. HerO did well. Naniwa, MC and Huk have in total won 4 series so far, one of them a PvP. I don't call that Protoss dominance. While Protoss are doing well in the championship bracket/seeding, look at the bottom of this diagram: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence#Championship_BracketThere are 2 total Protoss players left in the lower bracket, out of 20 players. Again, Protoss dominance is all in your head. It's not a belligerent post, it's just a joke to watch protoss whining again and again and again despite obvious results. Yeah, having 3 protoss in the semi and most likely a PvP final (yeah my call, two MLGs back to back) is not impressive. About the lower bracket, it's not even interesting to comment... You have no names fighting against pro players, but overall, in the winner bracket protoss are doing just as good as everybody (out of 74 protoss, 2 get to the final of the open bracket, HerO and State, out of 68 terran only one, MvP, and out of 93 zerg, 5 got into the final). Naniwa with 11% win loss ratio in GSL arguing that Nestea is not good and then winning against him... is not "impressive". You need to chill a little bit and think about the circumstances: if there are more zerg than protoss and terran combined, how does that show that there is a protoss dominance in the lower bracket? Also, don't forget that the loser's bracket still counts, and there were 6, I believe, Terrans moving forward to the Champ bracket. There are still 11 (6 of them aren't "no-names") Terrans participating, 5 Protoss and 8 Zerg. And please cut it out with Nani's results in the GSL, it's getting old. The kid's needs to get a bit humble, but don't deny that he is doing pretty good.
I'm perfectly chill, and I'm actually a naniwa's fan. I like that boy out of all the protoss foreigner, and I'm happy to seeing him do well, despite the moment where he shit on tournaments and other players. But, if you compare to the moment where he was just getting to korea, when he whined about protoss' shape, then it's safe to assume the game is at least balanced.
Never said protoss were imbalance, but some of the result are certainly "impressive" to say the least.
Despite that, you still have people arguing about : is protoss weak, imba or whatnot. It's boring.
The only thing that is failing in MLG is, as ever, not the balance but the tournament structure, giving almost freewins to high seeded players.
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On November 20 2011 21:55 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Lower bracket needs a hero today to keep MLG exciting, just can't get enthusiastic about so much potential PvP and the seeding format really felt deflating to me yesterday when the guys who made great runs started getting edged out.
If the winner really does end up being someone who played 4 series I'll be super depressed. As will I, although DRG winning wouldn't make me depressed. MC/DRG/HerO are the top 3 people I want to win
DRG would play 6 minimum to win, he'd already beaten Leenock and Kiwikaki to get up tofacing MMA. I wouldn't feel so disappointed if he pulled it out since he did at least come from a little way back in the champ bracket.
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I predict the finals will have either of MC/Huk/Naniwa in it but we will see.
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I hope that Terran dominates.
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I think the tournament structure is great, the players well seeded earned those seedings from previous events. This is the culmination of those other events isnt it, with the biggest prize pool.
The bracket structure makes it exciting with players getting a second chance if the "blow" it.
MLG are by far the most exciting tournaments going imho.
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On November 20 2011 21:58 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:32 SeaSwift wrote:On November 20 2011 21:26 WhiteDog wrote:
You're a joke man... Nestea and MVP beaten by Naniwa who can't even qualify himself for Code A doesn't mean shit ? You're good at changing reality, but the truth is protoss is rampaging everything (Gatored beating Ganzi, really ?). What a belligerent post. Naniwa beat MVP/Nestea in the Global Invitational, which isn't even the main tournament, and then won ONE bo3 vs Nestea in the main tournament. Protoss is not "rampaging everything". Ganzi has AWFUL TvP, look at his win ratio. 36%. And this is the guy who took out both Puzzle and Oz. Hero completely outplayed every opponent he won against, but yes. HerO did well. Naniwa, MC and Huk have in total won 4 series so far, one of them a PvP. I don't call that Protoss dominance. While Protoss are doing well in the championship bracket/seeding, look at the bottom of this diagram: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence#Championship_BracketThere are 2 total Protoss players left in the lower bracket, out of 20 players. Again, Protoss dominance is all in your head. It's not a belligerent post, it's just a joke to watch protoss whining again and again and again despite obvious results. Yeah, having 3 protoss in the semi and most likely a PvP final (yeah my call, two MLGs back to back) is not impressive. About the lower bracket, it's not even interesting to comment... You have no names fighting against pro players, but overall, in the winner bracket protoss are doing just as good as everybody (out of 74 protoss, 2 get to the final of the open bracket, HerO and State, out of 68 terran only one, MvP, and out of 93 zerg, 5 got into the final). Naniwa with 11% win loss ratio in GSL arguing that Nestea is not good and then winning against him... is not "impressive".
I honestly think you are arguing out of ignorance to MLG's system. Lets look at the bracket again
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Providence#Championship Bracket
3/4s down the page. The people in the lower bracket are mostly big names. Ill list them
Rain
MKP
HayprO
Illusion
BoxeR
Artist
Puma
Losira
Sjow
SeleCT
Leenock
Bomber
MVP
KiWiKaKi
SLush
Ret
HerO
Nestea
MMA
IdrA
Furthermore the system -- Double Elim
Championship Bracket finals are not MLG Providence Grand finals.
Champ bracket finals if PvP means one of the protoss players will go to the grand finals.
The grand finals opponent would be whoever wins the lower bracket. Which means it can be any of the "no-name" people in that list of 20 I wrote earlier in my post. They will need to beat the loser of the Championship round finals to make it to the grand finals.
But the larger number of protoss is due to seeding.
IdrA got seeded into his worst matchup against someone who has historically been able to beat him. We all know how IdrA has issues with the mental game and going up against MC is not going to help (I remember when he lost an extended series 4-3 being up 3 games to MC a few months ago). Not to mention with being hit by a relatively new strategy that sees very little play generally and IdrA just didn't know how to handle.
Naniwa got seeded and beat nestea in one series.
HuK got seeded into a PvP so it was obvious one protoss would win.
Don't start saying protoss is OP when you aren't looking at the bracket logically. I don't argue that MLG's system is a little flawed but the fact remains seeding is important and since the Koreans (with the exception of MC) hadn't gone to more than one MLG prior to providence they didn't really get seeded very high at all.
Looking at the seeds we see 3/4 protoss were seeded high and this means they had little opportunity to lose to get knocked down.
Zerg was seeded into the middle so they had 3 players in the quarter finals for Champ bracket.
Terran was seeded low and the biggest T seeds are as follows:
Bomber
SeleCT
Puma
MMA
SjoW
BoxeR
Bomber lost to MVP (bomber still in the LB)
BoxeR lost to Nestea (still in LB)
Puma lost 2-1 to HerO (still in LB)
SjoW lost to HerO (still in LB)
Select lost to Nestea (still in LB)
MVP lost to MC (still in LB)
Important to take away from this is as follows: MVP loses to MC a lot for example WCG Korea and AOL tournies. His TvP doesn't seem that well practiced thanks to never playing protoss in the GSL.
SjoW a decent Terran lost to HerO an Amazing protoss.
Puma vs HerO was a close series.
I don't feel its fair for you to start whining and complaining after one day of a tournament when not understanding the MLG format and looking at the bracket before making wild claims.
The seeds favoured protoss, and few games have been played with P in them compared to the other races in the champ brackets. It favours toss because Nani and HuK came to every MLG, so they got seeded higher than the Koreans since Koreans don't go to every MLG (with the exception of MC who seems to really enjoy coming out to MLG since this is his 3rd and placed highly in two others giving him a high seed in the grand finals).
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On November 20 2011 22:17 WhiteDog wrote:
I'm perfectly chill, and I'm actually a naniwa's fan. I like that boy out of all the protoss foreigner, and I'm happy to seeing him do well, despite the moment where he shit on tournaments and other players. But, if you compare to the moment where he was just getting to korea, when he whined about protoss' shape, then it's safe to assume the game is at least balanced.
Never said protoss were imbalance, but some of the result are certainly "impressive" to say the least.
Dunno, this looks a bit like saying protoss were imbalance:
On November 20 2011 19:00 WhiteDog wrote:
I'm eager to see the protoss' win ratio at this event, seems like they are crushing everybody...
Silly whiners. -_-
From this thread.
You're edging around trying to get away with it by not coming out and saying it right off. Instead you claim that that Protoss are whining about being imbalanced at the moment (I can't see a single P UP post in this whole thread) and post your own stuff to "refute" it.
On November 20 2011 22:17 WhiteDog wrote:
Despite that, you still have people arguing about : is protoss weak, imba or whatnot. It's boring.
All right, find a recent post in this thread complaining about protoss being weak. I find your own implications about protoss even more boring.
You're just drawing out an argument in several different places by posting in random threads about how Protoss is doing "suspiciously" well, without having the guts to go close enough to recieving a ban.
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Dang, woke up to see the truth that is and always will be:
MC is the bane of Idra's existence.
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On November 20 2011 22:19 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 21:55 Hierarch wrote:On November 20 2011 21:54 Asha` wrote:
Lower bracket needs a hero today to keep MLG exciting, just can't get enthusiastic about so much potential PvP and the seeding format really felt deflating to me yesterday when the guys who made great runs started getting edged out.
If the winner really does end up being someone who played 4 series I'll be super depressed. As will I, although DRG winning wouldn't make me depressed. MC/DRG/HerO are the top 3 people I want to win DRG would play 6 minimum to win, he'd already beaten Leenock and Kiwikaki to get up tofacing MMA. I wouldn't feel so disappointed if he pulled it out since he did at least come from a little way back in the champ bracket.
Ya, plus he would have played 5 very good players to do so. Kiwi is good but not on Leenock's or MMA level
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MMA, Bomber, Puma, Artist, MKP, Boxer, MVP and not to forget SjoW and Select.
This is going to be one hell of a night for me!
Edit: omg, I forgot Rain, this is getting better and better. :D
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