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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
October 22 2011 22:21 GMT
#2921
MVP has beaten MKP in two GSL finals. That's the main reason I never cheer for him.
DoLookMoreLike
Profile Joined January 2011
155 Posts
October 22 2011 22:21 GMT
#2922
On October 23 2011 07:19 Warfie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:18 Wildsound wrote:
Im enjoying the angry wow players on the other stream atm! One guy just lost the plot, was jumping around and everything!

It was Snutz, lock on the team that won that game. He was screaming and jumping cuz he was happy. Imo he's super annoying.


He was awesome, man. Always nice to see e-sports pros showing some emotion
Rndm
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
October 22 2011 22:21 GMT
#2923
On October 23 2011 07:08 Termit wrote:
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On October 23 2011 07:05 doihy wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:00 Shaxe wrote:
Never understood why crowds never like Mvp...


If you haven't been to a live event so far, here's how the crowd works majority of the time.

They cheer in the order of:
Is Idra/ Huk playing? Cheer for them
Is Boxer playing? Cheer for him
Are there foreigners playing? Cheer for the foreigner
Is Protoss playing? Cheer for P.
Is Zerg playing? Cheer for Z.
Who is the underdog? Cheer for him.

Nobody seems to like Terran in the crowd most of the time.

This is funny cuz it's true lol.



Except that boxer is terran and people love me, just like mma, or marineking, and so on...
And that no one cheered for the "unknown" underdogs yesterday ( on the opposite, it seems the bashing is still going on) so it's not that simple.

People also like players who seem to have a strong personality ( a long discussion would be needed to define what that is) and I think (just my opinion) MVP is one of the least charismatic players around ; I've seen him in plenty of matches, I still know nothing about him, his few interviews are always kind of dull, he barely shows any emotions, and so on. Not that it's a bad thing, but it makes it harder to find him interesting. His play sure is, but the "character", not really.
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 22 2011 22:22 GMT
#2924
On October 23 2011 07:19 LawnMower wrote:
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On October 23 2011 07:13 babylon wrote:
It's kind of like the difference between, say, Curious and DRG. DRG's flashy as hell with his playstyle, but I wouldn't say he's better than Curious, who's good at two match-ups (ZvZ and ZvP) instead of just one (ZvT, which Curious is not bad at as well). Overall I'd say Curious's style is far superior to DRG's, but it's kind of boring to watch since it's so standard and safe.

Funny how you say DRG has bad ZvZ when it's actually very good.

Not when he dropped two games to FD (who has said he himself has realllllllly bad ZvZ) at IEM, lol.

It's not bad, but it's not "very good." Sorry, but if you have "very good" ZvZ, you shouldn't have FD outclassing you for two games. (And yes, FD actually legitimately outplayed DRG in two straight games before falling apart in the next three. That's not what I'd call a strong ZvZ showing.)
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
October 22 2011 22:22 GMT
#2925
On October 23 2011 07:09 Zooper31 wrote:
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On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?


6pool on close positions anyone?

Copied NesTea. Slowlings and roach all in.
27raven
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic89 Posts
October 22 2011 22:23 GMT
#2926
When ESWC started i thought wtf they don't even have English casters on the spot.. pretty bad production of a tournament.
But Blizzcon showed me that ESWC is a great tournament and that we could have it much worse. Thank you Blizzard.
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
October 22 2011 22:23 GMT
#2927
On October 23 2011 07:18 Kokujin wrote:
in america people root for the underdog rather than the better player. somehow tied in with the american dream etc


You're right, people in other countries don't ever root for the underdog.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 22 2011 22:23 GMT
#2928
On October 23 2011 07:18 Wildsound wrote:
Im enjoying the angry wow players on the other stream atm! One guy just lost the plot, was jumping around and everything!


Lost the what?
twitch.tv/medrea
chrisv10
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark65 Posts
October 22 2011 22:23 GMT
#2929
While we wait.
http://www.twitch.tv/compLexity
Sheth vs. DRG
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
October 22 2011 22:24 GMT
#2930
Conspiracy theory corner... (put on your tinfoil hats) - since the big news for Blizzcon on the StarCraft 2 front is Heart of the Swarm, do you think they might have, I dunno, stacked the deck a bit to give zerg a good chance of winning? (Assuming that they didn't get close positions on shattered temple. -.-)

And then they have Nestea as a bit of a safety net.

Okay, I'm taking off my foil chapeau and being mesmerized by this fascinating trivia. Around 85 seconds for a probe to pay itself off? Fascinating!
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
October 22 2011 22:24 GMT
#2931
On October 23 2011 07:10 redviper wrote:
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On October 23 2011 07:02 diverzee wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:00 TooN wrote:
What has MVP done to have people not like him


What! He's my favourite player D:

But with each loss I like him less and less. I wish SC2 could show consistency as to who wins. I can understand MVP losing to Nestea, but I don't want him to drop games to no namers


?? How many losses has MVP had in the last month? He lost one match to MMA and one to Nestea. Who else has beaten him?

More importantly you aren't a true fan if you can't support your guy through loses. I still love FruitDealer and he has been losing for almost a year. Same with Moon. And while I am an MVP fan he doesn't fall into the territory of the above two who are really inconsistent, MVP certainly wins a lot lot more than he loses.


Taking only this tournament as an example he dropped games to Toodming, Select and showed poor game sense in game 2 vs Nestea. Also, while he is like the most consistent player in the GSL, he dropped out of code S once I think, and has other losses like in TSL. Also I'm unhappy with his 4-1 loss to MMA yesterday

I believe he is the best player in the entire world, but I would want it reflected by not only many titles, but also an ability not to lose to people he shouldn't lose to. I want consistency, and I want SC2 to reflect that the best player in the world only loses to the other almost best player in the world people.

Lastly I don't claim to be a "true fan" or anything like that, I'm simply stating that he is my very favourite player. I base it on the way he plays with amazing macro and marine control. If he would completely slump and do nothing but lose he wouldn't be my favourite player anymore. I like MVP for his skills and play style.
Parting
Kokujin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States456 Posts
October 22 2011 22:24 GMT
#2932
On October 23 2011 07:23 L3gendary wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:18 Kokujin wrote:
in america people root for the underdog rather than the better player. somehow tied in with the american dream etc


You're right, people in other countries don't ever root for the underdog.


its a tendency to, dude, not an absolute or exception.
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
October 22 2011 22:24 GMT
#2933
Blizzcon is a clusterfuck of tragic shitballs.
I <3 Plexa.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 22 2011 22:25 GMT
#2934
On October 23 2011 07:24 felisconcolori wrote:
Conspiracy theory corner... (put on your tinfoil hats) - since the big news for Blizzcon on the StarCraft 2 front is Heart of the Swarm, do you think they might have, I dunno, stacked the deck a bit to give zerg a good chance of winning? (Assuming that they didn't get close positions on shattered temple. -.-)

And then they have Nestea as a bit of a safety net.

Okay, I'm taking off my foil chapeau and being mesmerized by this fascinating trivia. Around 85 seconds for a probe to pay itself off? Fascinating!


No, better players won.Deal with it
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
October 22 2011 22:26 GMT
#2935
On October 23 2011 07:20 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:16 TheAngryZergling wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:05 Kirrimir wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:04 TheAngryZergling wrote:
lol @ "duking off". duking it out meets jerking off.


No it means fighting.


On October 23 2011 07:08 Asymmetric wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:04 TheAngryZergling wrote:
lol @ "duking off". duking it out meets jerking off.


What?

It mean engaging in a duel. i.e. fighting.


no, "duking it out" means fighting.

google search for "duking off" yields About 245 results none of the top of which are related to fighting. If it has less than 1000 hits on google it cannot b

google search results for "duking it out" yields About 17,400,000 results.


Try googling "context".


The phrase is definitely duking it out, not duking off. Duking off was just a mistake.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 22 2011 22:26 GMT
#2936
How did Nani lost to Sen guys?
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 22 2011 22:26 GMT
#2937
On October 23 2011 07:24 felisconcolori wrote:
Conspiracy theory corner... (put on your tinfoil hats) - since the big news for Blizzcon on the StarCraft 2 front is Heart of the Swarm, do you think they might have, I dunno, stacked the deck a bit to give zerg a good chance of winning? (Assuming that they didn't get close positions on shattered temple. -.-)

And then they have Nestea as a bit of a safety net.

Okay, I'm taking off my foil chapeau and being mesmerized by this fascinating trivia. Around 85 seconds for a probe to pay itself off? Fascinating!


Despite that being rather farfetched and silly, what purpose would it really fulfill? I can't see anyone really care about if a zerg wins or not.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 22 2011 22:26 GMT
#2938
On October 23 2011 07:24 diverzee wrote:

I believe he is the best player in the entire world, but I would want it reflected by not only many titles, but also an ability not to lose to people he shouldn't lose to. I want consistency, and I want SC2 to reflect that the best player in the world only loses to the other almost best player in the world people.


this doesn't happen in any sport
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
October 22 2011 22:27 GMT
#2939
On October 23 2011 07:18 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 07:11 Grumbels wrote:
On October 23 2011 07:08 Mouzone wrote:
So theorycrafting, what could Sen actually have done that game to have a chance to win?

What Artosis said: he had to make an unscoutable assumption (i.e. guess) and use this 'knowledge' to decide on when to start making units.


Yeah, I guess meeting MVP's army mid map before he has stationed his tanks etc. would be optimal. It would require a quite early army though I suppose.

Well, it's almost impossible to do without knowing the exact timing.

And even if you guess the timing right, it will most likely be an even fight, and zerg will die at the next random timing.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
October 22 2011 22:27 GMT
#2940
On October 23 2011 07:26 tuho12345 wrote:
How did Nani lost to Sen guys?


How should we know? It wasn't streamed.
He lost 2-1.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
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