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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:41 parazice wrote: why you guys still QQ about Mech vs Bio -"- just think like Top Mech is not good enough for Sc Bio Progamer whining inspires people =( | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:38 Zzoram wrote: You may be right. But if MVP thinks biomech is better than bio or mech, I'd tend to agree with MVP since he's such a TvT beast. This was biomech back when almost everyone played biomech (marine/tank, some played pure bio still) MKP tried to base trade once in the finals on meta iirc, and MVP shut it down simply because he was so far ahead at that point that he had an army both in his base and at MKP's. | ||
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IM_Megan
Netherlands744 Posts
People always whine about blizzard game for balancing and stuff, I think blizzard is doing a great job because it is not that one unit can win you the game with no eas. Oh snap there are marines? ;o User was warned for this post | ||
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Lorch
Germany3692 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote: Not true, marines are a lot better against hellions (compared to before) throughout the game. That's why marine tank can just kinda win against mech now (a lot of the time). Helions were never meant to damage marines in the mid-late game. Besides, in bio they actually don't have that many marines so the point is moot; you saw how few marines sC had. Helions were always meant for tanking and I only saw like 5 helions taking damage there. Also marine tank won't cut it against mech after a certain point. That's basically why everyone still transitions into pure MMM right now. I've never seen anyone go marine tank into the midgame against mech. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:39 Itsmedudeman wrote: I don't get why people are deciding to whine now. Mech has been dominating TvT pre patch and the only change post patch is that blue flame helion openings are just much weaker now, but if you get into the midgame nothing has changed. Its really map dependant. You could even see on that map, sC never pushed into the tighter space leading to TOP's base cause he would've just been slaughtered, but the fourth is sooo wide open that bio is really good. So on maps that have less open space, mech is at least viable. Most of the maps are really wide open though so mech is bad. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Mech has to camp vs bio because anytime you attack they drop your main with 3 dropships, lose their army and remax before you even get to their base. So its camp or die. Mech vs mech is 10x better than anything involving bio in TvT, because the constant threat of getting your entire base wiped or army destroyed because you were unsieged for 1 second, doesnt exist. Yeah, the point of playing mech if often waiting for a max army, but "modern" (I mean developed) mech now turret ring their main with +1 range turrets and has viking control so drops don't do that much damage anymore (the threat of drops is way higher vs marine tank than vs MMM). On a map like Terminus, even MVP plays bio, you can form ridiculous arcs and dive into tank lines, sC played that perfectly imo. I know you have to camp, but I just don't agree with your post that said that bio is way easier to play than mech, especially after that game where TOP didn't do anything but producing tanks and sieging them the whole game. | ||
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hippocritical
Australia465 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:43 Itsmedudeman wrote: Helions were never meant to damage marines in the mid-late game. Besides, in bio they actually don't have that many marines so the point is moot; you saw how few marines sC had. Helions were always meant for tanking and I only saw like 5 helions taking damage there. Having 0 marines was SC playing smart/reactively, not really the norm. And the patch definitely changed how marines function in the mid-lategame in biomech v mech. | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:42 IM_Megan wrote: People always whine about blizzard game for balancing and stuff, I think blizzard is doing a great job because it is not that one unit can win you the game with no eas. Oh snap there are marines? ;o ..... User was warned for this post | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:43 Itsmedudeman wrote: Helions were never meant to damage marines in the mid-late game. Besides, in bio they actually don't have that many marines so the point is moot; you saw how few marines sC had. Helions were always meant for tanking and I only saw like 5 helions taking damage there. Also marine tank won't cut it against mech after a certain point. That's basically why everyone still transitions into pure MMM right now. I've never seen anyone go marine tank into the midgame against mech. a. why would you say that hellions aren't "meant" to damage marines b. TOP did have a pretty good hellion count but it wandered into the bio and died before he tried to take his fourth. Maybe that made more of a difference to the outcome than was first thought. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Mech has to camp vs bio because anytime you attack they drop your main with 3 dropships, lose their army and remax before you even get to their base. So its camp or die. Mech vs mech is 10x better than anything involving bio in TvT, because the constant threat of getting your entire base wiped or army destroyed because you were unsieged for 1 second, doesnt exist. The problem is that its the threat of happening but mech players are careful so it rarely actually happens. Its great tension to play mech in TvT but its kinda hard on the viewer to go hey look that tank moved and that tanked backed up and that other tank moved a different direction and the other tank backed up. In bio you can see the stuff happening and stuff happening creates excitement. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:48 pdd wrote: I guess, if TOP loses today, at least he has a cool jacket. same as Zenio XD | ||
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IM_Megan
Netherlands744 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xZLd9.jpg) Set map: Dual Sight  TOP as the Blue Terran on the bottom right position VS Taeja as the Red Terran on the upper right position.+ Show Spoiler [Apologize] + My english is far from perfect, I am sorry if it has or will bother you. | ||
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usethis2
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
She's like Sase's cheer cannon. Taeja fighting!~ | ||
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usethis2
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