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On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:38 FairForever wrote:
From TB: "No he didn't. Usual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
If he wants respect he should act respectfully, he's gotten some constructive criticism in this thread (including from me) so if he wants to be a dick about it then he's going to hear shit in return. Why the fuck should I respect a random guy on the forums who thinks he's more qualified with the wonders of hindsight and absolutely no justification of his opinion? Let's be smart by posting our analysis after it happens, with the benefit of hindsight and not explaining a damn thing about why we believe it. God that's hard, I'm surprised you're not up here doing my job with those skills. Show nested quote +And your comment adds what? I understand you are a community member but if you cannot take criticism in the slightest you aren't doing yourselves any favors. Watching the back half of that game was painful from a casting perspective, I'm not sure if you are trying to build some kind of tension when there isn't any but it's relatively annoying to hear when the game is clearly over. Don't be afraid to call it how it is, Idra was trading well and had the superior concave in almost every engagement, I don't see how as a caster you can be so oblivious. Your casting isn't my favorite and your antics aren't either but I respect you as a community member and coming into the LR just to flame someone openly stating what a good majority of people were thinking is a bit daft. I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished.
Let's break this situation down. A forum member comments that Idra was winning the engagements contrary to the casters assessment, and you decide not only to deride him, but to say he was wrong and that Idra wasn't winning the fights. I really love how you can go off on tangents when the original comment was plenty constructive. You aren't taking criticism very well, when you decide to arbitrarily cast off a comment based on nothing more than that you think it wasn't constructive enough? Was he supposed to outline it for you? It was obvious to anyone that the game was Idra's from the battles and the supply counts. Still even now you add nothing to defend your comments, but rather you'll attack him in any way you can to divert attention away from the initial confrontation.
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On November 05 2011 20:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:47 MagickMan wrote:
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
"The Hatchery is going down" is not the same as "the hatchery is dead". The problem is on your end. If I want constructive feedback, I talk to people that are qualified to give it.
You repeatedly said the hatchery has died...
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Let's rewrite what was said into something different to prove my point! We call that strawman.
Actually a strawman is when you create the illusion of refuting someones argument by creating a weaker argument, that's not what I did. You should really learn your logical fallacies.
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Casters did great, why the excessive whining?
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On November 05 2011 20:42 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 05 2011 20:38 FairForever wrote:
From TB: "No he didn't. Usual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
If he wants respect he should act respectfully, he's gotten some constructive criticism in this thread (including from me) so if he wants to be a dick about it then he's going to hear shit in return. Why the fuck should I respect a random guy on the forums who thinks he's more qualified with the wonders of hindsight and absolutely no justification of his opinion? Let's be smart by posting our analysis after it happens, with the benefit of hindsight and not explaining a damn thing about why we believe it. God that's hard, I'm surprised you're not up here doing my job with those skills. So you can only criticize people if you could do a better job? I guess people aren't allowed to criticize Michael Jordan, etc. then? The simple fact is: you made a mistake. Someone called you out on it. It's criticism. You don't come back and go "Unusual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
The point he is making is that you should only criticize another person if you actually KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Otherwise it's not criticism, its just mindless babbling by the countless droves of total dumb fucks that habitually post their worthless opinions (and its a stretch calling them opinions) on these forums and try to pass them off as legitimate by making idiotic, definitive statements that do not apply to the reality of any situation whatsoever.
I'm glad to see a caster telling people to fuck off, but only because he is 100% correct in doing so in this instance.
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On November 05 2011 20:49 greatZERG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 05 2011 20:47 MagickMan wrote:
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
"The Hatchery is going down" is not the same as "the hatchery is dead". The problem is on your end. If I want constructive feedback, I talk to people that are qualified to give it. Who are these people + are your listeners not worthy of giving you feedback at all?
They are called progamers and casters, they are qualified to give accurate constructive criticism.
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On November 05 2011 20:48 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:44 FairForever wrote:On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished. The criticism isn't shit, multiple people in this thread have told you that Idra won those engagements pretty handily. No wonder Idra thinks you're a shit caster. You have little knowledge and lots of ego. Saying "the calls were wrong" isn't constructive criticism; suggesting they be a little less harsh with their battle judgements, on the other hand, would be. Those engagements were often knife-edge, with Idra's upgrades making them end a lot more one-sidedly than they could have; TB & Apollo might have been better off not saying Idra was about to lose, but that doesn't mean it was totally off-base. If White-ra's blink had been 30-40s earlier the game could have been very different, despite all the control errors.
Okay, fair point. Let's sum up what everyone has said in this LR thread then.
1) TB needs to stop this "guessing" game - he's not very good at it. Not only does he guess things incorrectly, but he also guesses things that are impossible (eg. a warp-in when White-Ra is at 200 food).
2) TB needs to stop calling things before they happen. No, the hatchery has not gone down yet. If you could wait till it actually happened it might help viewers, especially because we're watching on stream and our view is limited.
3) TB needs to leave the analysis to the other caster. He is a good play-by-play guy but seems to lack an understanding of the game. You see Husky asking Artosis a lot of questions in-game that Artosis could analyze: I think TB would be better served doing this rather than saying things that are incorrect.
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Hey TB if you are still reading this, any info/progress on fixing the sync problem we are having?
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Why is TotalBiscuit arguing with random people on a LR thread? lol
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On November 05 2011 20:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:49 greatZERG wrote:On November 05 2011 20:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 05 2011 20:47 MagickMan wrote:
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
"The Hatchery is going down" is not the same as "the hatchery is dead". The problem is on your end. If I want constructive feedback, I talk to people that are qualified to give it. Who are these people + are your listeners not worthy of giving you feedback at all? They are called progamers and casters, they are qualified to give accurate constructive criticism.
Like IdrA at IPL?
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On November 05 2011 20:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:49 greatZERG wrote:On November 05 2011 20:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 05 2011 20:47 MagickMan wrote:
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
"The Hatchery is going down" is not the same as "the hatchery is dead". The problem is on your end. If I want constructive feedback, I talk to people that are qualified to give it. Who are these people + are your listeners not worthy of giving you feedback at all? They are called progamers and casters, they are qualified to give accurate constructive criticism.
*sigh*
Unfortunately your audience isn't the progamers and casters, is it? It's the casual viewers, since 99.99% of the viewers on your stream aren't casters or progamers.
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On November 05 2011 20:50 Moskau wrote:Show nested quote +Let's rewrite what was said into something different to prove my point! We call that strawman. Actually a strawman is when create the illusion of refuting someones argument by creating a weaker argument, that's not what I did. You should really learn your logical fallacies.
Great job. What you said had nothing to do with what he said though
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On November 05 2011 20:50 Moskau wrote:Show nested quote +Let's rewrite what was said into something different to prove my point! We call that strawman. Actually a strawman is when create the illusion of refuting someones argument by creating a weaker argument, that's not what I did. You should really learn your logical fallacies.
The irony in this statement is incredibly thick, though I doubt you're smart enough to grasp it. A strawman is a misrepresentation of someone's position and then an attack on said position, which is exactly what you just did and where the fallacy comes in.
Unfortunately your audience isn't the progamers and casters, is it? It's the casual viewers, since 99.99% of the viewers on your stream aren't casters or progamers.
So not you then? Ok cool, now that we've got the reason that you don't get listened to out of the way, we can continue with the tournament.
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On November 05 2011 20:50 huyman wrote:
Casters did great, why the excessive whining?
Who the fuck knows. Most people dont even know what the fuck they are complaining about. Totalpollo is doing great. Watching that hatchery stay there was great. Everything is fucking great.
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This thread is a train and it just got blown off the tracks
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totalbiscuit making an ass of himself in LR threads is better than his actual shoutcasting
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Some people stated their criticism abrasively and in a poorly written way. Alright...why are they being focused on instead of the half dozen or so folks who were pleasant and specific? Seems kind of like you're just ignoring criticism and justifying doing so by being angry at the few people who have it in for you anyway.
Also, I imagine that it must suck for fans of yours when you give so much more attention to haters than supporters.
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On November 05 2011 20:53 betamale wrote:
totalbiscuit making an ass of himself in LR threads is better than his actual shoutcasting
That's not saying much.
User was warned for this post
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The games have been casted just fine. Good work casters!
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Totalbiscuit criticism response
1. Is the person a pro-gamer or caster? If no go to 2. If yes see 3
2. FUCK OFF I'M BETTER THAN YOU YOU ARE NO PRO OR CASTER!!!!
3. Post snide remarks on twitter and ignore them anyway
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