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On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:38 FairForever wrote:
From TB: "No he didn't. Usual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
If he wants respect he should act respectfully, he's gotten some constructive criticism in this thread (including from me) so if he wants to be a dick about it then he's going to hear shit in return. Why the fuck should I respect a random guy on the forums who thinks he's more qualified with the wonders of hindsight and absolutely no justification of his opinion? Let's be smart by posting our analysis after it happens, with the benefit of hindsight and not explaining a damn thing about why we believe it. God that's hard, I'm surprised you're not up here doing my job with those skills. Show nested quote +And your comment adds what? I understand you are a community member but if you cannot take criticism in the slightest you aren't doing yourselves any favors. Watching the back half of that game was painful from a casting perspective, I'm not sure if you are trying to build some kind of tension when there isn't any but it's relatively annoying to hear when the game is clearly over. Don't be afraid to call it how it is, Idra was trading well and had the superior concave in almost every engagement, I don't see how as a caster you can be so oblivious. Your casting isn't my favorite and your antics aren't either but I respect you as a community member and coming into the LR just to flame someone openly stating what a good majority of people were thinking is a bit daft. I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished.
So true TB!! Keep up the good work, love ya.
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On November 05 2011 20:39 Wegandi wrote:
White-Ra definitely is not one of the better Protoss', but he is the BoxeR of the foreign scene. Long live White-Ra and good job IdrA. The finals should be quite good. I think SelecT will win 4-2.
Boxer of the foreign scene?LOL so wrong. Select wont take this 4-2.It will probably be the other way around.Idra ZvT is his best match-up plus Select mention he does not prefer to play Idra.Also, Idra has a much stronger record against him so its probably in Idra favor although the map pool sucks for Idra but Select has been training real hard. So its hard to tell actually.
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On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:38 FairForever wrote:
From TB: "No he didn't. Usual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
If he wants respect he should act respectfully, he's gotten some constructive criticism in this thread (including from me) so if he wants to be a dick about it then he's going to hear shit in return. Why the fuck should I respect a random guy on the forums who thinks he's more qualified with the wonders of hindsight and absolutely no justification of his opinion? Let's be smart by posting our analysis after it happens, with the benefit of hindsight and not explaining a damn thing about why we believe it. God that's hard, I'm surprised you're not up here doing my job with those skills. Show nested quote +And your comment adds what? I understand you are a community member but if you cannot take criticism in the slightest you aren't doing yourselves any favors. Watching the back half of that game was painful from a casting perspective, I'm not sure if you are trying to build some kind of tension when there isn't any but it's relatively annoying to hear when the game is clearly over. Don't be afraid to call it how it is, Idra was trading well and had the superior concave in almost every engagement, I don't see how as a caster you can be so oblivious. Your casting isn't my favorite and your antics aren't either but I respect you as a community member and coming into the LR just to flame someone openly stating what a good majority of people were thinking is a bit daft. I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished.
Stop calling things that haven't happened, you and Apollo did it about 5 times in that last series.
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On November 05 2011 20:44 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished. The criticism isn't shit, multiple people in this thread have told you that Idra won those engagements pretty handily. No wonder Idra thinks you're a shit caster. You have little knowledge and lots of ego.
Hahaha, once again the random forum guy strikes. You have no idea what my relationship with IdrA is or what he actually thinks.
Stop calling things that haven't happened, you and Apollo did it about 5 times in that last series.
Oh look, yet more useful feedback with no actual information. God LR threads are so amazing.
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On November 05 2011 20:42 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 05 2011 20:38 FairForever wrote:
From TB: "No he didn't. Usual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
If he wants respect he should act respectfully, he's gotten some constructive criticism in this thread (including from me) so if he wants to be a dick about it then he's going to hear shit in return. Why the fuck should I respect a random guy on the forums who thinks he's more qualified with the wonders of hindsight and absolutely no justification of his opinion? Let's be smart by posting our analysis after it happens, with the benefit of hindsight and not explaining a damn thing about why we believe it. God that's hard, I'm surprised you're not up here doing my job with those skills. So you can only criticize people if you could do a better job? I guess people aren't allowed to criticize Michael Jordan, etc. then? The simple fact is: you made a mistake. Someone called you out on it. It's criticism. You don't come back and go "Unusual unconstructive bitching from forum threads."
let it go mate. you be better off giving criticism to a wall than to TB. and now it has turned into a pissing match. let it go
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The world has a lot of stupid people, what's your point?
Oh so everyone who hates you now is stupid? Hrmm
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On November 05 2011 20:45 Moskau wrote:Oh so everyone who hates you now is stupid? Hrmm
That's exactly what he said, well done
oh wait
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I think that TotalBiscuit is a decent play-by-play caster but that his analysis often leaves a lot to be desired. An example would be in Game 3 of the White-ra vs Idra series in which he was calling engagements in favour of White-ra which I believed was incorrect. My 2c
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On November 05 2011 20:45 Moskau wrote:Oh so everyone who hates you now is stupid? Hrmm
Let's rewrite what was said into something different to prove my point! We call that strawman.
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On November 05 2011 20:45 greatZERG wrote:
I think that TotalBiscuit is a decent play-by-play caster but that his analysis often leaves a lot to be desired. An example would be in Game 3 of the White-ra vs Idra series in which he was calling engagements in favour of White-ra which I believed was incorrect. My 2c
This has been said 10 times by 10 different people. TB still thinks he's right =/
Sigh it's okay, I muted the stream in game 3 so I didn't actally hear TB saying that, I only got it from everyone else in the LR thread.
TB does a lot for the community but it's clear he has difficulty with the criticisms that come his way. It was similar to Xeris and NASL Season 1 at first, but Duran really cleaned up his act and things are a lot better now.
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Kinda agree with the comments here, idra was at a disadvantage army composition wise and yet managed to trade effectively while maintaining a superior economy. His 5th or 4th replacement wasn't even mentioned until the game was all but over. Listening to the casting you would think that this was some epic struggle, but really as soon as idra killed the colossus count for the 3rd time and regained the highground to deny mining - the game was effectively won. Very easily too.
None of the engagements went in Whitera's favour imo, he always lost his tech units and that is all the zerg really needs to do in that specific situation. Double robo and he never had more than 4 colossus? Idra dominated every engagement perfectly in line with what he needed and almost certainly intended to do. (With a shitty composition which is death-ball-able, to the extreme)
gg idra
bg casting
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On November 05 2011 20:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:44 FairForever wrote:On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished. The criticism isn't shit, multiple people in this thread have told you that Idra won those engagements pretty handily. No wonder Idra thinks you're a shit caster. You have little knowledge and lots of ego. Hahaha, once again the random forum guy strikes. You have no idea what my relationship with IdrA is or what he actually thinks. Show nested quote +Stop calling things that haven't happened, you and Apollo did it about 5 times in that last series. Oh look, yet more useful feedback with no actual information. God LR threads are so amazing.
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
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On November 05 2011 20:44 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished. The criticism isn't shit, multiple people in this thread have told you that Idra won those engagements pretty handily. No wonder Idra thinks you're a shit caster. You have little knowledge and lots of ego.
Saying "the calls were wrong" isn't constructive criticism; suggesting they be a little less harsh with their battle judgements, on the other hand, would be. Those engagements were often knife-edge, with Idra's upgrades making them end a lot more one-sidedly than they could have; TB & Apollo might have been better off not saying Idra was about to lose, but that doesn't mean it was totally off-base. If White-ra's blink had been 30-40s earlier the game could have been very different, despite all the control errors.
On November 05 2011 20:47 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:45 greatZERG wrote:
I think that TotalBiscuit is a decent play-by-play caster but that his analysis often leaves a lot to be desired. An example would be in Game 3 of the White-ra vs Idra series in which he was calling engagements in favour of White-ra which I believed was incorrect. My 2c This has been said 10 times by 10 different people. TB still thinks he's right =/ Sigh it's okay, I muted the stream in game 3 so I didn't actally hear TB saying that, I only got it from everyone else in the LR thread. TB does a lot for the community but it's clear he has difficulty with the criticisms that come his way. It was similar to Xeris and NASL Season 1 at first, but Duran really cleaned up his act and things are a lot better now.
TB hasn't at all said his mistakes weren't mistakes, he's said the criticism has been shitty and unconstructive. There is a definite difference and you aren't bridging the gap.
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Stop bitching about everything and enjoy the tournament please.Casters do pretty good job.
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On November 05 2011 20:47 MagickMan wrote:
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
"The Hatchery is going down" is not the same as "the hatchery is dead". The problem is on your end. If I want constructive feedback, I talk to people that are qualified to give it.
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On November 05 2011 20:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:44 FairForever wrote:On November 05 2011 20:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I can take criticism, I am pointing out that the criticism is shit. You think I or anyone else should sit here and thank people for posting dumb things on this forum? If you can't be constructive, then you are of no use. Amusing isn't it, how community members often think to post that I can't take criticism and yet throw up their hands in grave offense whenever I don't treat their comments as pure internet gold. They are the random, unjustified and badly written remarks of a spectator, after the game has finished. The criticism isn't shit, multiple people in this thread have told you that Idra won those engagements pretty handily. No wonder Idra thinks you're a shit caster. You have little knowledge and lots of ego. Hahaha, once again the random forum guy strikes. You have no idea what my relationship with IdrA is or what he actually thinks. Show nested quote +Stop calling things that haven't happened, you and Apollo did it about 5 times in that last series. Oh look, yet more useful feedback with no actual information. God LR threads are so amazing.
Didn't Idra say you were a horrible caster during IPL that led to some angry twitter tantrum?
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Rofl how did you make this into a shitstorm D:
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On November 05 2011 20:48 Shagg wrote:
Rofl how did you make this into a shitstorm D:
It's not hard. Stupid people posted stupid things then get offended when I told them how stupid they were.
Didn't Idra say you were a horrible caster during IPL that led to some angry twitter tantrum?
We were drinking last night and laughing about the stupid things that get posted on forums. Apt considering.
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On November 05 2011 20:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:47 MagickMan wrote:
You called the death of the Hatchery multiple times before it happened, you called a warp in from the warp prism when he was at 200/200 anyway... you are too ignorant and stubborn to take any real constructive feedback on board.
"The Hatchery is going down" is not the same as "the hatchery is dead". The problem is on your end. If I want constructive feedback, I talk to people that are qualified to give it.
Who are these people + are your listeners not worthy of giving you feedback at all?
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Please Total Biscuit, we've had this before. I think you and dApollo's casting has been fantastic, but if I have to criticize you for one thing, it's feeding the idiots. If you think that they are incorrect, just ignore them. You're partially validating them just be responding.
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