On September 27 2011 19:42 doko100 wrote: It's really though to sympathise with the protoss whiners when you realize that the only reason they are whining is because awful players like hongun lose games.
I can't wait until Sage/Hero/Oz hit Code S and shut up all the whiners.
Only the idiots are crying balance when HongUn loses.
On September 27 2011 19:40 Supamang wrote: derrrp, every protoss ive played that open with starport use that to force hydralisks so they can tech switch to colossus and faceroll my army. why the hell would you choose blink stalks??
Only reason I can think of.. he's very stylistic. :-/
On September 27 2011 19:41 dooraven wrote: Hongun being in the up and down is a good thing. Gimmicky play is not good, I'd easily trade Hongun for Hero, Oz, JYP and Sage.
On September 27 2011 19:40 Supamang wrote: derrrp, every protoss ive played that open with starport use that to force hydralisks so they can tech switch to colossus and faceroll my army. why the hell would you choose blink stalks??
Because hes terrible and one dimensional and it's not a Code S player anymore.
On September 27 2011 19:17 sitromit wrote: LOL Terran, down to 7 SCVs, goes from half the supply to 30 supply lead...
Gazi did equal damage in his counter attack too. Plus had very sloppy control after it.
yes, it was like 7 SCV vs 25 drones. but with 4 mules Ganzi was ahead.
still july kinda threw that T_T
You do realize that Zerg is always ahead in economy? 50 SCVs vs. 65 Drones on 2 vs. 3 Bases is EXTREMELY standard in TvZ, so yes they were about even, terran can't make as many SCVs as zerg can make, so if both lose equal economy zerg is obviously going to have alot more drones, but terran gets mules to compensate for their natural lack of scvs.
I actually want everyone who whines about mules to realize this, terran always has less scvs than the zerg has drones in a standard game, so therefore it makes complete sense that if both lose an equal amount of economy they are still on even footing.
The way you people want it to work is:
Terran gets 50 SCVs Zerg gets 65 Drones
Terran loses 40 SCVs = Terran dead Zerg loses 40 Drones = Zerg wins and is ahead
I mean excuse me? Both lost about the same amount of workers, how could you possibly say mules are imba when the terran was slightly behind in economy even though he killed an equal amount of economy (and a hatchery + tech buildings even)?
It would really help if people started to use their brain before crying "imba, imba" all the time.
umm, how is that any different to protoss? please tell me if protoss could have recover from 7 probes versus 27 drones difference?
Protoss has chrono boost so you naturally have more scvs than terran? You can't compare terran with protoss at all, because even in TvP it's completely standard that protoss has 10 more probes than terran on 2 base, you essentially get a head start of 6 scvs just because of the 2 morphing orbitals, I'm not even counting chrono boost yet.
And terran has to constantly use scvs to build buildings, protoss doesn't, so you actually have alot more workers actually mining than you think when you compare it to terran.
I meant if in that position, it was a P instead of a T, would you think that a 7 probe could pull him a win? Obviously not.
If I had such a standing army, and I saw the Zerg use that many units to knock my probe count down, yeah I would fancy my changes, because I saw how much damage I did and know that the Zerg can't remake as easily
On September 27 2011 19:41 La1 wrote: Awh the awful protoss tech tree strikes again.. it takes too long to get colousus out if they go hydra and you go blink..
robo = time robo bay = time colosus = time
just sad..
Well if you are terrible at the game and don't expect a Zerg to go Hydra when you go 2 starport mass phoenix/void ray against them, sure.
There is no excuse for not having Colossus, it has nothing to do with the race. And no shit, every race takes "time" to build a tech building. It's called balance.
On September 27 2011 19:35 clusen wrote: Hongun is so manner for not transitioning into colossi or chargelot/ht/archon
You can't just "transition" into it. If he would, he would have less stalker, means he would lose.
You actually can while you harrass with Voids/penix lol, ezpz.
There is no reason to go blink stalker.
If you build a bad army against the Zerg composition and are about to die, no you can't transition out of it. That's true.
What the fuck are you talking about. Losira went the Hydra heavy style because Hongun went for a Blink Stalker transition to finish Losira off. If he would have rushed Colossus after his Dual Stargate didn't do enough damage, he would never be able to protect / secure a third base, while Losira would retake his third and the gold. He would also be susceptible to any kind of doom drop / mass bling drop scenario.
Protoss doesn't work that way that you can switch from tech to tech and get expansions, especially if the Zerg has an established economy. It was his best bet to do a Blink Stalker all-in after killing Losiras third and forcing many spores all over the map.
On September 27 2011 19:41 La1 wrote: Awh the awful protoss tech tree strikes again.. it takes too long to get colousus out if they go hydra and you go blink..
robo = time robo bay = time colosus = time
just sad..
Well to be fair ... going mass air which forces Zerg to go Hydra (or Corrupter or Infestors) and follow this with blink is kinda dumb. He tought losira wouldn't have that much ground army.
On September 27 2011 19:41 marttorn wrote: See? Now we're talking about the game that just happened!
ITS THE CURSE OF THE LR THREAD. WE MAY NEVER TALK ABOUT GAMES THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
We have time during the break to discuss why HongUn loves blink stalkers so much but hates being good at blink micro..
Seriously. I was very underwhelmed with his blink micro.
Yeah... I dunno, I like HongUn a lot, but if he wants to stay around he's gonna have to come up with some good innovative stuff. Not just gimmicky, tired old 2 base stuff.
Look out for him at Orlando :0
It's a whole different experience, seeing HerO or Sage PvZ, and then see our current Code S protoss PvZ. Good times are coming, if HerO and Sage/Oz ever make it into Code S.
I don't think HongUn is leaving Code S. Sorry, haters.
lol
Have you ever watched GSL before in your life...(not you, the guy you're quoting)
If you think HongUn has even the slightest chance against the likes of sC or GuMiho you're out of your mind :D Putting Noblesse at the top of that list is insane as well.
On September 27 2011 19:39 MrCon wrote: Hero, JYP, Sage and Oz are killing themselves watching this game. As much as I like Hongun, his play seems so lackluster compared to the code A tosses.
when code A tosses starts playing against code S zergs, they are not going to look so good.
On September 27 2011 19:17 sitromit wrote: LOL Terran, down to 7 SCVs, goes from half the supply to 30 supply lead...
Gazi did equal damage in his counter attack too. Plus had very sloppy control after it.
yes, it was like 7 SCV vs 25 drones. but with 4 mules Ganzi was ahead.
still july kinda threw that T_T
You do realize that Zerg is always ahead in economy? 50 SCVs vs. 65 Drones on 2 vs. 3 Bases is EXTREMELY standard in TvZ, so yes they were about even, terran can't make as many SCVs as zerg can make, so if both lose equal economy zerg is obviously going to have alot more drones, but terran gets mules to compensate for their natural lack of scvs.
I actually want everyone who whines about mules to realize this, terran always has less scvs than the zerg has drones in a standard game, so therefore it makes complete sense that if both lose an equal amount of economy they are still on even footing.
The way you people want it to work is:
Terran gets 50 SCVs Zerg gets 65 Drones
Terran loses 40 SCVs = Terran dead Zerg loses 40 Drones = Zerg wins and is ahead
I mean excuse me? Both lost about the same amount of workers, how could you possibly say mules are imba when the terran was slightly behind in economy even though he killed an equal amount of economy (and a hatchery + tech buildings even)?
It would really help if people started to use their brain before crying "imba, imba" all the time.
umm, how is that any different to protoss? please tell me if protoss could have recover from 7 probes versus 27 drones difference?
Protoss has chrono boost so you naturally have more scvs than terran? You can't compare terran with protoss at all, because even in TvP it's completely standard that protoss has 10 more probes than terran on 2 base, you essentially get a head start of 6 scvs just because of the 2 morphing orbitals, I'm not even counting chrono boost yet.
And terran has to constantly use scvs to build buildings, protoss doesn't, so you actually have alot more workers actually mining than you think when you compare it to terran.
I meant if in that position, it was a P instead of a T, would you think that a 7 probe could pull him a win? Obviously not.
But the protoss wouldn't have 7 probes to begin with, what part of that don't you understand?
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