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On September 27 2011 22:10 sleepingdog wrote:
at this point I honestly don't know why korean protoss players keep going chargelot/archon vs terran - what is it that I'm missing?
even if colossi are vulnerable, there's still a higher chance to transition into 3rd base + templar-tech-switch than other way round; going late colossi almost never works because you just can't get the numbers...templar, on the other hand, can be warped in by a bunch once the tech is done
even the double forge mass-upgrade-style seemed more viable, since it could afford to throw away tons of chargelots while saving the stalkers with blink.....
its a metashift
terran would open with cc into 3rax + starport , make a few medivacs and then pump vikings for the collosus.. then simply snipe the collsus and insta win because Terran bio owns protoss gateway units with medivacs..
Protoss countered this by going charglot archon and the archon splash crushed the terran ball / bio and they also hit the medivacs, this + templar with feedback to kill medivacs and storm just wreaked 90% of terran, most protoss now open this and then go into robo once terran has no vikings..
terran are now just doing 5rax ghost and this simply rolls archon style builds. the problem is both builds of protoss are super fragile and you can insta loose in both situations.. protoss has no stablity at all.
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Just see it from the bride side. The best Protoss is a foreigner and damnit finally I get my liquibets right :D
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On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.)
MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better.
Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better.
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wow all of these games were like unrecommended. were they that bad?
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On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better.
I retract my stupid statement.
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On September 27 2011 22:16 La1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:10 sleepingdog wrote:
at this point I honestly don't know why korean protoss players keep going chargelot/archon vs terran - what is it that I'm missing?
even if colossi are vulnerable, there's still a higher chance to transition into 3rd base + templar-tech-switch than other way round; going late colossi almost never works because you just can't get the numbers...templar, on the other hand, can be warped in by a bunch once the tech is done
even the double forge mass-upgrade-style seemed more viable, since it could afford to throw away tons of chargelots while saving the stalkers with blink..... its a metashift terran would open with cc into 3rax + starport , make a few medivacs and then pump vikings for the collosus.. then simply snipe the collsus and insta win because Terran bio owns protoss gateway units with medivacs.. Protoss countered this by going charglot archon and the archon splash crushed the terran ball / bio and they also hit the medivacs, this + templar with feedback to kill medivacs and storm just wreaked 90% of terran, most protoss now open this and then go into robo once terran has no vikings.. terran are now just doing 5rax ghost and this simply rolls archon style builds. the problem is both builds of protoss are super fragile and you can insta loose in both situations.. protoss has no stablity at all.
This is where I disagree - 3rax fast starport vs colossi normally lead to a STANDARD game. Yes, terrans sometimes dominated by going super fast vikings, but then again some protoss players took a fast third and just overwhelmed T with mass units because T couldn't punish the expansion.
3rax starport doesn't "roll" fast colossus like fast ghost rolls chargelot/archon. Also, as I said, it's way easier to transition into templars because you already have tons of gateways. Two rounds of warp-ins and the numbers are there. With chargelot/archon you would need 3+ robotics to get the necessary colossus-numbers to put pressure on T lategame. Having a slowly but constantly growing colossus-count makes for boring games, but imo for more safety.
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On September 27 2011 21:53 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 21:50 Zer atai wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Are we seriously going to have Huk as the only protoss left in code S? If that happens, it'll be both impressive and sad. Too many Protoss in Ro8 Code A and Up/Down combined for that to happen I believe? Lemme check.... 6-7 Protoss 15 players 6 advance. Ok nvm, no Protoss may make it =P Its possible
Unless they stick 4 or 5 protosses in a single group, Huk could be all alone in Code S. There hasn't been a single protoss that has gotten top two in the new up/down group play format.
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On September 27 2011 22:13 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:10 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On September 27 2011 21:56 phupang wrote:
I am looking forward for 30 terran 2 zerg next season code S Damn, that means nestea is out. Yeah, I guess it is his turn anyway. Haha, too bad it's actually impossible at this time
Oh, sry, bad memory here.
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On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better.
I think you could really argue Mvp/MMA in TvZ, it's actually a VERY close call.
On September 27 2011 09:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
July will beat HongUn, but I don't think he'll make it out of this group. GanZi is so good, and LosirA's ZvZ is much better than July's.
I feel like such a baller right now.
Why were all of these games not recommended though? I didn't watch them yet, but were they that bad?
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On September 27 2011 22:16 La1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:10 sleepingdog wrote:
at this point I honestly don't know why korean protoss players keep going chargelot/archon vs terran - what is it that I'm missing?
even if colossi are vulnerable, there's still a higher chance to transition into 3rd base + templar-tech-switch than other way round; going late colossi almost never works because you just can't get the numbers...templar, on the other hand, can be warped in by a bunch once the tech is done
even the double forge mass-upgrade-style seemed more viable, since it could afford to throw away tons of chargelots while saving the stalkers with blink..... its a metashift terran would open with cc into 3rax + starport , make a few medivacs and then pump vikings for the collosus.. then simply snipe the collsus and insta win because Terran bio owns protoss gateway units with medivacs.. Protoss countered this by going charglot archon and the archon splash crushed the terran ball / bio and they also hit the medivacs, this + templar with feedback to kill medivacs and storm just wreaked 90% of terran, most protoss now open this and then go into robo once terran has no vikings.. terran are now just doing 5rax ghost and this simply rolls archon style builds. the problem is both builds of protoss are super fragile and you can insta loose in both situations.. protoss has no stablity at all.
The problem is that frankly in the last few games of pro Protoss i've watched they don't seem to be able to balance their stuff.
Opening chargelot/archon is fine, even going for storm then is perfect, but there are few compositions which are less suited to attack into a base than this. So once you have done the first engagement you need to techswitch, or sit back and macro up like a maniac (ideally both).
Protoss has the strongest endgame currently (maybe Hive tech zerg, but thats not really the point for TvP or PvT) so why do they try to kill on 2 base?
And yes i know it's hard to defend vs. drops and similar Terran shenanigans, but with Templars and a few chargelots it's not that hard.
The 1/1/1 build is strong, but immortals were buffed specifically to deal with it (imho successfully). Genius dropped down due to:
1) bad unit control in game 1
and: 2) VERY bad strategic decision to try to attack.
If he had retreated and forced the Terran to engage him outside of a choke this whole game would have looked quite different.
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On September 27 2011 22:24 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:16 La1 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:10 sleepingdog wrote:
at this point I honestly don't know why korean protoss players keep going chargelot/archon vs terran - what is it that I'm missing?
even if colossi are vulnerable, there's still a higher chance to transition into 3rd base + templar-tech-switch than other way round; going late colossi almost never works because you just can't get the numbers...templar, on the other hand, can be warped in by a bunch once the tech is done
even the double forge mass-upgrade-style seemed more viable, since it could afford to throw away tons of chargelots while saving the stalkers with blink..... its a metashift terran would open with cc into 3rax + starport , make a few medivacs and then pump vikings for the collosus.. then simply snipe the collsus and insta win because Terran bio owns protoss gateway units with medivacs.. Protoss countered this by going charglot archon and the archon splash crushed the terran ball / bio and they also hit the medivacs, this + templar with feedback to kill medivacs and storm just wreaked 90% of terran, most protoss now open this and then go into robo once terran has no vikings.. terran are now just doing 5rax ghost and this simply rolls archon style builds. the problem is both builds of protoss are super fragile and you can insta loose in both situations.. protoss has no stablity at all. Protoss has the strongest endgame currently (maybe Hive tech zerg, but thats not really the point for TvP or PvT) so why do they try to kill on 2 base?
That's a myth.
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On September 27 2011 22:16 La1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:10 sleepingdog wrote:
at this point I honestly don't know why korean protoss players keep going chargelot/archon vs terran - what is it that I'm missing?
even if colossi are vulnerable, there's still a higher chance to transition into 3rd base + templar-tech-switch than other way round; going late colossi almost never works because you just can't get the numbers...templar, on the other hand, can be warped in by a bunch once the tech is done
even the double forge mass-upgrade-style seemed more viable, since it could afford to throw away tons of chargelots while saving the stalkers with blink..... its a metashift terran would open with cc into 3rax + starport , make a few medivacs and then pump vikings for the collosus.. then simply snipe the collsus and insta win because Terran bio owns protoss gateway units with medivacs.. Protoss countered this by going charglot archon and the archon splash crushed the terran ball / bio and they also hit the medivacs, this + templar with feedback to kill medivacs and storm just wreaked 90% of terran, most protoss now open this and then go into robo once terran has no vikings.. terran are now just doing 5rax ghost and this simply rolls archon style builds. the problem is both builds of protoss are super fragile and you can insta loose in both situations.. protoss has no stablity at all.
A few ghosts counter ht/archon and make the whole protoss army weaker. A few vikings tickle colossi and yeah maybe you kill them but not before they do damage. Marines are pretty much useless against them as well. i think its way better.
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On September 27 2011 22:22 sleepingdog wrote:
This is where I disagree - 3rax fast starport vs colossi normally lead to a STANDARD game. Yes, terrans sometimes dominated by going super fast vikings, but then again some protoss players took a fast third and just overwhelmed T with mass units because T couldn't punish the expansion.
3rax starport doesn't "roll" fast colossus like fast ghost rolls chargelot/archon. Also, as I said, it's way easier to transition into templars because you already have tons of gateways. Two rounds of warp-ins and the numbers are there. With chargelot/archon you would need 3+ robotics to get the necessary colossus-numbers to put pressure on T lategame. Having a slowly but constantly growing colossus-count makes for boring games, but imo for more safety.
that standard game you talk about protoss would useally loose though, because yes you would have collsus but they are expensive and you need 3-4 base to support them + other tech, and once you show your collsus hand its quite easy for the terran to counter it, like i said with mass viking.
Chargelot archon is actually really really strong (see huk's games) even vs ghost bio simply because charglots have almost 0 shield and can rinse through a bio ball , its also more mobile than the collsus army
a friend of mine doesnt actually thing charglot archon can be beat
it comes down to control also as if you get a few good storms off you can win, or feedbacks so your relying more on your skill.
its also easier to defend drops with this tech.. its a really strong opener and once on 3/4 base you should probs transition
anyway each to there own
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On September 27 2011 22:24 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better. I think you could really argue Mvp/MMA in TvZ, it's actually a VERY close call. Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 09:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
July will beat HongUn, but I don't think he'll make it out of this group. GanZi is so good, and LosirA's ZvZ is much better than July's. I feel like such a baller right now. Why were all of these games not recommended though? I didn't watch them yet, but were they that bad?
Mvp/MMA TvZ isn't close at all.
DRG can consistently beat MMA, but he cannot consistently beat MVP.
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On September 27 2011 22:32 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:24 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better. I think you could really argue Mvp/MMA in TvZ, it's actually a VERY close call. On September 27 2011 09:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
July will beat HongUn, but I don't think he'll make it out of this group. GanZi is so good, and LosirA's ZvZ is much better than July's. I feel like such a baller right now. Why were all of these games not recommended though? I didn't watch them yet, but were they that bad? Mvp/MMA TvZ isn't close at all. DRG can consistently beat MMA, but he cannot consistently beat MVP.
2-0'd MVP in AoL this past weekend.
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On September 27 2011 22:32 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:24 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better. I think you could really argue Mvp/MMA in TvZ, it's actually a VERY close call. On September 27 2011 09:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
July will beat HongUn, but I don't think he'll make it out of this group. GanZi is so good, and LosirA's ZvZ is much better than July's. I feel like such a baller right now. Why were all of these games not recommended though? I didn't watch them yet, but were they that bad? Mvp/MMA TvZ isn't close at all. DRG can consistently beat MMA, but he cannot consistently beat MVP.
DRG is 2-3 vs MMA and 3-3 vs MVP. How do you define consistency?
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On September 27 2011 22:23 Zer atai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 21:53 bittman wrote:On September 27 2011 21:50 Zer atai wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Are we seriously going to have Huk as the only protoss left in code S? If that happens, it'll be both impressive and sad. Too many Protoss in Ro8 Code A and Up/Down combined for that to happen I believe? Lemme check.... 6-7 Protoss 15 players 6 advance. Ok nvm, no Protoss may make it =P Its possible Unless they stick 4 or 5 protosses in a single group, Huk could be all alone in Code S. There hasn't been a single protoss that has gotten top two in the new up/down group play format.
Didnt Trickster got 2nd to play in this season code S? I was going to say JYP also advanced but he failed in the tiebreaker if Im not mistaken.
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On September 27 2011 22:19 andaylin wrote:
wow all of these games were like unrecommended. were they that bad?
Just the same old story of terran dominating their opponents with no effort on their part.
When has a terran winning a game ever been recommended? (excluding foreign terran wins of course)
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On September 27 2011 22:32 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:24 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better. I think you could really argue Mvp/MMA in TvZ, it's actually a VERY close call. On September 27 2011 09:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
July will beat HongUn, but I don't think he'll make it out of this group. GanZi is so good, and LosirA's ZvZ is much better than July's. I feel like such a baller right now. Why were all of these games not recommended though? I didn't watch them yet, but were they that bad? Mvp/MMA TvZ isn't close at all. DRG can consistently beat MMA, but he cannot consistently beat MVP.
I must applaud your ability to completely ignore results
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On September 27 2011 22:40 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:32 ch33psh33p wrote:On September 27 2011 22:24 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 27 2011 22:17 Vorenius wrote:On September 27 2011 22:13 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:06 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 22:04 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 22:00 Rayansaki wrote:On September 27 2011 21:58 Jtom wrote:On September 27 2011 21:57 Kettchup wrote:
Hopefully DRG heads to Losira's side rather than Leenock's, don't want those two to knock each other out. Think he needs to get 2nd for that? If DRG heads down Losira's side of the bracket (by taking second in his group) he will lose. But if he wins his group and gets onto Leeknock's side of the bracket I think he has a good chance of making it to the finals. lol you crazy How so? Losira is a better zvz player than Leeknock by far and the rest of that side of the bracket are Terrans and Nestea. Since DRG is a zvt specialist he should get to the finals, as long as MVP loses to Bomber or Nestea or has an off-day against DRG. What makes you think DRG has a greater chance vs Bomber/Mvp/Nestea than vs MMA/Losira tho? 1- I have faith in DRG's ability to take down Bomber if they play. (REVENGE FOR MLG) 2- MMA is a tvz specialist so I think he could take down DRG and has in the past. 3- There is a better chance of DRG winning if he is in the right mindset and has some momentum, I can't think of any time a GSL was won by a player who advanced from second in their group.(ok Nestea in May, but that is an exception to the rule as Clide beat him in the group stage in his hero boss mode and immediately lost to Killer in the following round.) MMA is good at TvZ but Mvp is better. Losira is good at ZvZ but Nestea is A LOT better. I think you could really argue Mvp/MMA in TvZ, it's actually a VERY close call. On September 27 2011 09:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:
July will beat HongUn, but I don't think he'll make it out of this group. GanZi is so good, and LosirA's ZvZ is much better than July's. I feel like such a baller right now. Why were all of these games not recommended though? I didn't watch them yet, but were they that bad? Mvp/MMA TvZ isn't close at all. DRG can consistently beat MMA, but he cannot consistently beat MVP. DRG is 2-3 vs MMA and 3-3 vs MVP. How do you define consistency?
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