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Wren
United States745 Posts
On September 27 2011 04:02 Lasbike wrote: Noooooooo i missed it when it was on american time and i missed it again now !! :'( Are NASL games on youtube ? No, subscription VODs. They stream them twice, but that's all you get for free. | ||
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jorge_the_awesome
United States463 Posts
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Chylo
United States220 Posts
On September 26 2011 13:09 0neder wrote: Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is. Easy, the barrier is comfort. He's already respected and liked by a million fanboys (picking him in liquibet, lol), his regular life is in order (married, money doesn't seem to be an issue etc). This is clearly confirmed in a recent SOTG, when he stated his greatest achievement was becoming a respected member of the community, to be included (NOT as it were, in the actual winning of the TSL). This clearly reveals his inner mind on these issues. In other words, he achieved his goal. His goal was to be a liked and respected member of the community. It wasn't ever to consistently win starcraft tournaments and become a great SC player in and of itself. He has little to gain by practicing hard. He knows he will never win anything even if he practiced all day, so he figures what's the point? Might as well just be a chilltoss on state of the game. The frustration comes from him changing but thinking it's the game that has changed on him. In other words, he often looks back on BW as the crowning glory of games, and has never really thought SC2 was a "proper" game. Fact of the matter is it's the same thing, it's just he is the one who has matured and can't find the passion for it anymore. Instead of recognizing that he's changed he feels the game isn't "properly designed" (like BW, he thinks) The protoss issues of late haven't helped this viewpoint. He should have become an analytical caster like artosis and day9 and such and transitioned. He won't ever approach a high level again. (artosis and day9 would also not be winning anything even if practicing full time, they are smart to have transitioned) | ||
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pique
143 Posts
On September 27 2011 06:04 Chylo wrote: Easy, the barrier is comfort. He's already respected and liked by a million fanboys (picking him in liquibet, lol), his regular life is in order (married, money doesn't seem to be an issue etc). This is clearly confirmed in a recent SOTG, when he stated his greatest achievement was becoming a respected member of the community, to be included (NOT as it were, in the actual winning of the TSL). This clearly reveals his inner mind on these issues. In other words, he achieved his goal. His goal was to be a liked and respected member of the community. It wasn't ever to consistently win starcraft tournaments and become a great SC player in and of itself. He has little to gain by practicing hard. He knows he will never win anything even if he practiced all day, so he figures what's the point? Might as well just be a chilltoss on state of the game. The frustration comes from him changing but thinking it's the game that has changed on him. In other words, he often looks back on BW as the crowning glory of games, and has never really thought SC2 was a "proper" game. Fact of the matter is it's the same thing, it's just he is the one who has matured and can't find the passion for it anymore. Instead of recognizing that he's changed he feels the game isn't "properly designed" (like BW, he thinks) The protoss issues of late haven't helped this viewpoint. He should have become an analytical caster like artosis and day9 and such and transitioned. He won't ever approach a high level again. (artosis and day9 would also not be winning anything even if practicing full time, they are smart to have transitioned) woah. steady on there, mr. armchair psychiatrist. tyler expressed his fondest personal moment in BW was acceptance from the community, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was his 'one and only goal'. it would be reasonable to assume his goal/s changed multiple times over the course of his career. at one point, it was most certainly to become a professional starcraft player. given the practice hours put in, trip to korea and subsequent courage+pro team house experience alongside long term dedication to one game, one skillset, that 'goal' was undeniable. how would a player so superficially minded (as you claim him to be) ever reach such heights of play? regardless, i'm sure tyler is well aware of not having proven himself in a big way thus far in sc2, and that it is a current goal of his to get back into some regular practice routine. please don't try to paint people as so painfully black and white, and pretend as though you know a guy you've never even met, its toxic to the community. | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 27 2011 02:36 aTnClouD wrote: tbh whatever the reason i think it's way too unprofessional to quit in the middle of a nasl match true, couldve at least proxygated and end it like that... | ||
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Chylo
United States220 Posts
On September 27 2011 07:09 pique wrote: woah. steady on there, mr. armchair psychiatrist. tyler expressed his fondest personal moment in BW was acceptance from the community, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was his 'one and only goal'. it would be reasonable to assume his goal/s changed multiple times over the course of his career. at one point, it was most certainly to become a professional starcraft player. given the practice hours put in, trip to korea and subsequent courage+pro team house experience alongside long term dedication to one game, one skillset, that 'goal' was undeniable. how would a player so superficially minded (as you claim him to be) ever reach such heights of play? regardless, i'm sure tyler is well aware of not having proven himself in a big way thus far in sc2, and that it is a current goal of his to get back into some regular practice routine. please don't try to paint people as so painfully black and white, and pretend as though you know a guy you've never even met, its toxic to the community. First, it's not being an armchair psychiatrist to analyze a person's actions and their own words explaining their own actions. Second, I didn't say it was his "one and only goal" as you falsely quote me as saying. I said it was his primary goal. Fact of the matter is all those exterior actions he put in in BW were clearly toward his primary goal which was to become a respected and liked member of the community. Becoming a BW progamer was the means to this end. Since he already achieved this, he had not much to go for in SC2 as his primary goal was achieved. Fourth, I never said he was superficially minded AT ALL. There is nothing wrong with desiring to be well respected and liked by a community you respect and like. You're simply making things up as to what I said. Fifth, I never "painted him as black and white", but simply analyzed one area of his public life based on his actions and what he himself has stated. This is hardly "toxic to the community" You are the one being toxic who can't even handle an analysis of a person's own actions and statements. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 27 2011 07:25 Chylo wrote: Second, I didn't say it was his "one and only goal" as you falsely quote me as saying. I said it was his primary goal. So you interpret "fondest moment" as "primary goal" and derive a bunch of nonsense from that conjecture. Such analysis would be in bad taste even if it was anywhere near correct, let alone completely made up. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
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brichals
Germany50 Posts
On September 27 2011 01:00 fritos wrote: I was actually making a point of how ridiculous Tyler's actions were. (I was being sarcastic about the whole work story). There is no way that kinda action can fly in real professional world. Do you want people to consider e-sport as a real professional sport? How can we make that claim when the actual e-sport players like Tyler who shows no repect for his opponent, the league, fans, mostly importantly e-sport? In real professional world, not only he would get fired for his action but it will be hard for him to get a job anywhere. In the real professional world he would get paid leave until his health improves. Although these things are normally very badly handled at work, at least to his credit he has informed people of his condition. It's quite clear that he's not taking liberties. I don't know what kind of draconian world you want to live in. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
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