hasuobs has won against dimaga 2-1 4 days ago.many people may have already forgotten that. but this time dimaga will eventually win.hard to say.i say its 50-50. puma will defeat tlo of course tyler-tt1..hard to predict...maybe a very very close win for tyler
Almost-live report : Cross-positions on shattered temple. QXC does 11/11 rax on top of his cliff, lifts them to low ground, bunker-rushes into Moman's hatch first and proceeds to win the game.
Almost-live report : Moman fakes an expand and goes for a small roach attack instead. Roaches go on the left path of the map (Xel'Naga Caverns) while Hellions go on the right path, they don't see each other. Moman runs into a bunker at QXC's ramp. QXC roasts all the drones and Moman GGs.
TheGunRun has a sexy voice, I'm sure he has girls drooling all over him when he's on the phone.
Game 2 was amazing, beautiful build and play by TLO, he had an excellent build and it just flowed, his expansions and the the tech switches were wonderfully timed out, and he really showcased his wonderful build. Game 1 was just a huge derp to blue flame hellions, but the second game was excellent,
On September 26 2011 10:54 Piledriver wrote: TheGunRun has a sexy voice, I'm sure he has girls drooling all over him when he's on the phone.
Game 2 was amazing, beautiful build and play by TLO, he had an excellent build and it just flowed, his expansions and the the tech switches were wonderfully timed out, and he really showcased his wonderful build. Game 1 was just a huge derp to blue flame hellions, but the second game was excellent,
hahahahaha seeing so many golden posts on TL tonight.
Hey guys I just had a quick question regarding the NASL. I was considering buying a season pass but I am unsure how long the season lasts. Their full schedule on nasl.tv says that they will have games until 11/13/2011. Is that the end of the season and then a winner is crowned based of a point system or do they have a tournament at the end to determine the winner? Im a college student and am trying to be as cost effective with my money :D. I will also be buying a HDMI cord to watch the 1080p+ on my TV if they do continue past the date of 11/13/2011. Thanks for the responses in advance. - Trazati
On September 26 2011 10:59 Trazati wrote: Hey guys I just had a quick question regarding the NASL. I was considering buying a season pass but I am unsure how long the season lasts. Their full schedule on nasl.tv says that they will have games until 11/13/2011. Is that the end of the season and then a winner is crowned based of a point system or do they have a tournament at the end to determine the winner? Im a college student and am trying to be as cost effective with my money :D. I will also be buying a HDMI cord to watch the 1080p+ on my TV if they do continue past the date of 11/13/2011. Thanks for the responses in advance. - Trazati
They have a live playoff event where the top 16 play at a mulitday lan event. Im not sure if that date just means the end of the regular season or if that includes the final 16 too. Im inclined to believe that its just the end of the regular season and there should be games after that to either decide who plays in the top 16 or the top 16 itself.
Someone needs to shoot Gretorp with some adrenaline before the casts, he always sounds and looks like he's on the verge of falling asleep. Love the guy, but he needs more E N E R G Y!
i have to say that the NASL has improved tremendously in terms of production value compared to last season..... im also loving this news / trades segments. Its like im watching sportscentre about starcraft haha. Next thing you know they will show highlights too :D
On September 26 2011 11:03 Angelbelow wrote: They have a live playoff event where the top 16 play at a mulitday lan event. Im not sure if that date just means the end of the regular season or if that includes the final 16 too. Im inclined to believe that its just the end of the regular season and there should be games after that to either decide who plays in the top 16 or the top 16 itself.
The date of 11/13/2011 was the last game of their "full schedule" where the opponents are still predetermined. It being TLO vs TT1 as their last game. So I am led to assume there will be more games after that, which is good to hear. I think I will go on ahead and purchase my season pass and an HDMI cord!
On September 26 2011 11:11 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: i have to say that the NASL has improved tremendously in terms of production value compared to last season..... im also loving this news / trades segments. Its like im watching sportscentre about starcraft haha. Next thing you know they will show highlights too :D
SECONDED! I feel like it's almost an ESPN proxy.... which is a good thing :-)
Also... banelings got buffed? Can anyone confirm? >.<
On September 26 2011 11:11 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: i have to say that the NASL has improved tremendously in terms of production value compared to last season..... im also loving this news / trades segments. Its like im watching sportscentre about starcraft haha. Next thing you know they will show highlights too :D
SECONDED! I feel like it's almost an ESPN proxy.... which is a good thing :-)
Also... banelings got buffed? Can anyone confirm? >.<
the change was pretty much the opposite of what gretorp said. It is actually a minor nerf, but pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. there is a huge thread about it. Can't find the thread but basically if the units are packed tightly enough, banelings cannot drop in the centre of the ball. the only real way to pack units that tight is to clump them up and hold position, or ring yourself in incredibly tight forcefields.
that segment was actually terrible, i'm not sure whether or not i even like the idea of it.
who really watches the nasl and does not surf TL enough to know all this? on top of that some of the infos were kinda wrong (major going to korea because sj disbanded? baneling drop buff? not really) and orb seemed really nervous, talking way too fast for "News" and repeating the same sentence with slightly changed content over and over again the producers also seem to have put the segment at the wrong place
I love how the carriers were bugging out and shooting the broodlings. Makes me remember why I never build them, they are just to dumb and I have other units to babysit that do real damage.
I loved the moment in the game when the observer was swinging around a map looking for the carriers while when a mothership pops up onto screen out of nowhere.
Hasuobs had a point in the game where he was at 130 food with 7k minerals and very little gas where he could've maxed out on zealots and cleaned up many of the hatcheries.
On September 26 2011 11:41 Vendor wrote: Why was Hasu not making stuff after the battle?
i was wondering about that too.
I think they said (i didnt see it myself) that Hasu's fleet beacon was killed, but he didnt realize it. He apparently chronoed 3 empty stargates that he likely thought were making carriers.....
On September 26 2011 11:47 Mainland wrote: Hasuobs had a point in the game where he was at 130 food with 7k minerals and very little gas where he could've maxed out on zealots and cleaned up many of the hatcheries.
Yeah but mass zealot against mass spine crawler, infestor, broodlord, roach would not have been that hot.
It's not NASL's fault beneful has an atrocious marketing department (someone may very well get fired for that ad), they're the ones getting paid to show the ad, why should NASL care about the ad's content.
Gretorps definitely improved but i honestly expected a much further progression. I think he still gets tongued tied too easily. Has lz had any other casting gig? hes pretty smooth with his commentary.
I have no idea why I picked Tyler for liquibet...fanvoted I think. In hindsight picking the player who admits he basically doesn't practice over the player who doesn't have as big of a profile in the community but is pretty dedicated was dumb.
i wouldve liked to see Tyler poke with his colossi to try and take out that TT1's stray colossus rather than just committing his whole army into the attack
On September 26 2011 12:20 DystopiaX wrote: I have no idea why I picked Tyler for liquibet...fanvoted I think. In hindsight picking the player who admits he basically doesn't practice over the player who doesn't have as big of a profile in the community but is pretty dedicated was dumb.
Meh, i picked Tyler because i like him and i'm not a huge fan of douchebags, but that's just me. Game one was kind of boring though
On September 26 2011 12:20 DystopiaX wrote: I have no idea why I picked Tyler for liquibet...fanvoted I think. In hindsight picking the player who admits he basically doesn't practice over the player who doesn't have as big of a profile in the community but is pretty dedicated was dumb.
I am a big Tyler fan and I don't actually like TT1 much, but I picked TT1 in betting. I guess my poker-playing helps with rational over emotional bets.
On September 26 2011 12:20 DystopiaX wrote: I have no idea why I picked Tyler for liquibet...fanvoted I think. In hindsight picking the player who admits he basically doesn't practice over the player who doesn't have as big of a profile in the community but is pretty dedicated was dumb.
Meh, i picked Tyler because i like him and i'm not a huge fan of douchebags, but that's just me. Game one was kind of boring though
I picked Tyler cause I liked him too, but in terms of who I thought would win I should have picked TT1...I usually pick on impulse and this time it's biting me in the ass lol
I'm guessing rage quit. If you disconnect from bnet you would at least have your cell phone where someone could contact you and the manager would of course have Tyler's cell number.
On September 26 2011 12:15 Angelbelow wrote: Gretorps definitely improved but i honestly expected a much further progression. I think he still gets tongued tied too easily. Has lz had any other casting gig? hes pretty smooth with his commentary.
Yeah i'd like to see him try a tongue twister. He just did it again....
More action co-iing your way guys
its so strange I've never heard someone unable to pronounce an M. It really sounds like nerves or something.... cause thats just odd.
WOW Tyler loses to disc. Even more disappointing than usual. He's gonna come out one of these games and start winning I'm sure of it. I just went back and watched TSL2 finals so I know he's more than capable, something just has to kick on in his head that gets him burning to win again.
Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
wow, hasu vs dimaga on shakuras mustve been a standard hasu macrogame again i assume?^^ dno why, but hasuobs style forces super lategames with every single unit
He not taking starcarft 2 pro gaming seriously, and plus we seem him play LOL on his stream during WCG Korea restreaming. Maybe he just doesn't have the heart anymore.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
I don't think it's not taking it seriously, I think he just has trouble finding effort or motivation to do anything at all.
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
Gretorp also said the Immortals had 5 range as opposed to the 6 they now have. I'd be surprised if these were pre-recorded though because last season the NASL did the games live.
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
It was probably a mistake, it couldn't possibly have happened that long ago since HerO was on Liquid for quite a long time before NASL groups were drawn.
That said, it's obviously a weird mistake to make and go unnoticed, especially since Gretorp had to read it and it went through post production. -_-
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
Gretorp also said the Immortals had 5 range as opposed to the 6 they now have. I'd be surprised if these were pre-recorded though because last season the NASL did the games live.
They record live, the actual show is not live.
This isn't the first time this week they have shown recorded footage from at least a couple weeks ago.
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
Gretorp also said the Immortals had 5 range as opposed to the 6 they now have. I'd be surprised if these were pre-recorded though because last season the NASL did the games live.
No they didn't <_< the games for NASL have always been played beforehand. It was typically about 2-3 days beforehand but there's probably a larger delay because of large events like a Dreamhack happening that people would have to attend.
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
Gretorp also said the Immortals had 5 range as opposed to the 6 they now have. I'd be surprised if these were pre-recorded though because last season the NASL did the games live.
They are pre recorded, and the games are live during the recording.... which is prerecorded. In other words, they cast the games live and record everything, then they take a few days to edit it, and finally they air it.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
Oh, well since you obviously know better than TL's manager I'm assuming you'll be receiving a PM shortly from them requesting that you take over the position. I can't wait to see how you improve the team with your unparalleled wisdom. Oh wait, I missed that part where you said you don't know what is "issues" are. And unless you know Tyler better than his manager, you certainly don't know what happened to make Tyler not play out the series. None of us do. So it turns out you're just jumping to conclusions without any knowledge whatsoever. No one says you have to like any players you don't want to, but insulting them and the team with no real information is just rude.
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
Gretorp also said the Immortals had 5 range as opposed to the 6 they now have. I'd be surprised if these were pre-recorded though because last season the NASL did the games live.
NASL games have never been "LIVE", they have always been VOD's(except the California event). Sorry to burst the bubble. Just yesterday Idra said in his winner's interview that he was leaving for Dreamhack Valencia in a week. That event happened a week ago, so his game was recorded 2 weeks ago. I wouldn't be surprised if these games were played 2 weeks ago as well.
NASL isn't doing a 2 day delay anymore. At least not the recent content that's for sure.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
You can not take practicing seriously and still get upset about losing.
Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
Oh, well since you obviously know better than TL's manager I'm assuming you'll be receiving a PM shortly from them requesting that you take over the position. I can't wait to see how you improve the team with your unparalleled wisdom. Oh wait, I missed that part where you said you don't know what is "issues" are. And unless you know Tyler better than his manager, you certainly don't know what happened to make Tyler not play out the series. None of us do. So it turns out you're just jumping to conclusions without any knowledge whatsoever. No one says you have to like any players you don't want to, but insulting them and the team with no real information is just rude.
You want to talk about jumping to conclusions? That is all your post is. A overly defensive response to what you thought you read. I didn't say I know the issues of Tyler or that I needed too. I didn't say anything about running their team. I didn't insult anyone. What a crappy and needless response.
TL can do whatever that want. I think it is safe to say everyone can agree that a pro should train like a pro. He doesn't. I do not think it is that far fetched to want someone not on respected pro team that doesn't even practice. I like Tyler and want him to succeed. If I had it my way he would be required to practice a certain amount to stay on the team. I want that for all pro gamers really. Stop being so defensive ffs.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
so he's purposefully missing out on thousands of dollars of prize money? good guy
would like some clarification on what really happened with tyler vs tt1. not to be nitpicky but subscribers i think deserve to know whats happening to their content.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
This shit is getting ridiculous. It's not just specific to Tyler, a lot of people just says so and so can own anyone if they practice hard. Well no shit? Anybody pro level can own it up if they practice hard.
It's not just as simple as that. Being able to practice hard is part of the talent.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
He was at his absolute best a B teamer in BW and has looked nothing special in SC2. I don't know where this supremely talented talk comes from.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
Honestly I think if anyone but Tyler posted the kind of results that Tyler has posted thus far in his SC2 career, no one would ever say that.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
The most talented guys playing SC2 are Nada, July and Boxer.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
The most talented guys playing SC2 are Nada, July and Boxer.
They don't have the results in SC2 that they have in BW.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
The most talented guys playing SC2 are Nada, July and Boxer.
They don't have the results in SC2 that they have in BW.
The guy I quoted was talking about pure talent. MVP and Nestea are clearly the two best players in the world.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
The most talented guys playing SC2 are Nada, July and Boxer.
They don't have the results in SC2 that they have in BW.
Talent, skill, and results are all different things.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
i'd wish team liquid would re-evaluate nony's situation already. He seems like he needs an extended leave to see if he still has the heart to do pro gaming at a high level.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
No it didn't. If you're asking "what has he won", obviously your perceptions of talent and skill in Starcraft players are somewhat limited.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
The most talented guys playing SC2 are Nada, July and Boxer.
They don't have the results in SC2 that they have in BW.
Talent, skill, and results are all different things.
And you can never clearly differentiate them for any subject.
On September 26 2011 13:43 Imbak333 wrote: Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
Stephano was one of only two foreigners to make it through the four IPL3 online qualifiers.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
On September 26 2011 13:47 Malgrif wrote: i'd wish team liquid would re-evaluate nony's situation already. He seems like he needs an extended leave to see if he still has the heart to do pro gaming at a high level.
My guess is that he's basically holding out to "call it quits" until after the MLG Nationals. What's my reasoning behind this? Stride Gum. He probably signed a "season long" contract with them to promote their stuff at MLG's/signings/whatever. Now if Stride Gum wasn't in the picture, his relationship with Nazgul is friendly enough that he would be let go no problem if he wanted. Stride Gum on the other hand is a different beast and him "flaking out" might do damage to them sponsoring someone else in the SC2 realm later on. Or even worse who knows if he'll owe them money they already paid him if he walks out. Till then he'll hang tough and continue to show up to events no matter the results.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it based on what I've seen/heard. I do love Nony as a person/personality but, as an SC2 PRO, he just doesn't do it for me anymore. Watching him constantly put up poor results when he clearly doesn't practice/doesn't care is just heartbreaking.
On September 26 2011 14:40 Xeris wrote: Tyler ragequit and we couldn't get him back for a 2nd game despite many efforts to reach him, so we obliged his request to not continue playing
Are you sure you want to go ahead and say ragequit? I haven't tuned in but from what I hear it could be a myriad of different things besides the ol' QQ.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
No it didn't. If you're asking "what has he won", obviously your perceptions of talent and skill in Starcraft players are somewhat limited.
Try watching some actual games.
People will always say stuff like this. It's incredibly easy thing to say. Results is a concrete way of measuring someone's skill. Your perception of how much talent he has by watching his games is very subjective. It just annoys me though when people are being dicks about it, like some hipster fanboy or something.
On September 26 2011 14:40 Xeris wrote: Tyler ragequit and we couldn't get him back for a 2nd game despite many efforts to reach him, so we obliged his request to not continue playing
Are you sure you want to go ahead and say ragequit? I haven't tuned in but from what I hear it could be a myriad of different things besides the ol' QQ.
Nony ragequit before, including once during his spectecular run to win the TSL2, and flamed Mana (or blamed the map, same deal) in the past NASL (+other smaller ones), so i can believe what Xeris wrote here.
He is one of the greatest minds in sc2, his thoughts are always so well put and beautifully expressed in posts and talkshows that i am always amazed, but that doesnt change the fact he canot put up results since the early days, and sometimes misbehaves. I actually think the same as others mentioned before, he'll quit after the MLGs.
I'd say it would be a great loss, but idk what hurts me more, not having him competing or having to see him struggle like this.
On September 26 2011 14:40 Xeris wrote: Tyler ragequit and we couldn't get him back for a 2nd game despite many efforts to reach him, so we obliged his request to not continue playing
Are you sure you want to go ahead and say ragequit? I haven't tuned in but from what I hear it could be a myriad of different things besides the ol' QQ.
I guess it could be 10 different things .
So why did you choose "ragequit" if youre not sure? Unless you have substantial evidence (which you might) youre word choice is poor to say the least.
On September 26 2011 14:40 Xeris wrote: Tyler ragequit and we couldn't get him back for a 2nd game despite many efforts to reach him, so we obliged his request to not continue playing
Are you sure you want to go ahead and say ragequit? I haven't tuned in but from what I hear it could be a myriad of different things besides the ol' QQ.
I guess it could be 10 different things .
So why did you choose "ragequit" if youre not sure? Unless you have substantial evidence (which you might) youre word choice is poor to say the least.
Well Nazgul posted here a possible reason which he later removed....
On September 26 2011 14:40 Xeris wrote: Tyler ragequit and we couldn't get him back for a 2nd game despite many efforts to reach him, so we obliged his request to not continue playing
Are you sure you want to go ahead and say ragequit? I haven't tuned in but from what I hear it could be a myriad of different things besides the ol' QQ.
I guess it could be 10 different things .
So why did you choose "ragequit" if youre not sure? Unless you have substantial evidence (which you might) youre word choice is poor to say the least.
Well Nazgul posted here a possible reason which he later removed....
Well, in all probability, Tyler turned off his computer because he was pissed off, but when a statement like "Tyler ragequit " comes from the public representative of the league it's still childish. Everyone loses. I'm kind of tired of Xeris being the NASL's mouthpiece.
On September 26 2011 12:35 Cleomenes wrote: These games might have happened awhile ago. They still called Hero oGsHero. Also I read in the thread that these matches happened before the patch.
Gretorp also said the Immortals had 5 range as opposed to the 6 they now have. I'd be surprised if these were pre-recorded though because last season the NASL did the games live.
No, last season everything was played on Monday at 1pm EST. (Which was a huge problem for anyone with a job in the US, there was some buzz about it.)
On September 26 2011 16:37 tsuxiit wrote: Well, in all probability, Tyler turned off his computer because he was pissed off, but when a statement like "Tyler ragequit " comes from the public representative of the league it's still childish. Everyone loses. I'm kind of tired of Xeris being the NASL's mouthpiece.
Ragequit is a common term in gaming community, what's wrong with that? Its just a way to put it in term that your brains and most can understand. It's direct and straightforward. Forfeit is more professional but its vague and the post will fill with question WHY??!!
On September 26 2011 14:40 Xeris wrote: Tyler ragequit and we couldn't get him back for a 2nd game despite many efforts to reach him, so we obliged his request to not continue playing
Are you sure you want to go ahead and say ragequit? I haven't tuned in but from what I hear it could be a myriad of different things besides the ol' QQ.
I guess it could be 10 different things .
So why did you choose "ragequit" if youre not sure? Unless you have substantial evidence (which you might) youre word choice is poor to say the least.
Well Nazgul posted here a possible reason which he later removed....
Maybe cause of the phrase "last time" ;P
What did it say?
Nazgul removed his post so i can't get into details (he had to have a reason to remove it). Basically it was a chat with one of NASL guys concerning that issue.
On September 26 2011 16:37 tsuxiit wrote: Well, in all probability, Tyler turned off his computer because he was pissed off, but when a statement like "Tyler ragequit " comes from the public representative of the league it's still childish. Everyone loses. I'm kind of tired of Xeris being the NASL's mouthpiece.
Ragequit is a common term in gaming community, what's wrong with that? Its just a way to put it in term that your brains and most can understand. It's direct and straightforward. Forfeit is more professional but its vague and the post will fill with question WHY??!!
Well I brought it up before because we haven't received confirmation that it was a ragequit, there could be many other reasons besides getting pissed off that could've happened. Xeris posted it so I questioned it since he didn't seem so sure for what we call 'The horses mouth'
Barring some tragi occurence or medical emergency that needed to be taken care of, this incidence shows a great lack of professionalism on the part of Tyler, especially since he supposedly did not even bother to answer his phone to give a response after forfeiting.
The fact that people are so eager to forgive him based on his friendliness with the community is a mite unfair I feel. It shouldn't matter if you're Idra or you're Gandhi, your actions should speak for themselves regardless of how chill you may have been in the past.
That being said, if circumstances come to light where Tyler was physically unable to play the match, then of course we should be understanding. Otherwise, why should he be exempt from the lambasting PainUser got, or any other regular pro gamer would get/?
Tyler hasnt delivered anything really since the BETA, if even then, Hell I dont think ive suported him at all in last year as he just hasnt done anything worthwhile. Can only live off past glory for so long.
Why did NASL even show that first match? Were they trying to make threads go crazy? Why didn't they just say it was a walk-over after talking it over with TT1 or something...? I mean, they can and should fine Liquid'Tyler if it was a purposeful disconnect... but otherwise... I just don't get it...
On September 26 2011 18:21 Yaki wrote: I'm afraid Tyler is never gonna get back to the top ...
Yeah. Its starting to get to the point where other pros are leaps and bounds ahead of him. Thats what you get when they've been working hard and honing their mechanics for more than a year now.
Even if he somehow started practicing on a regular basis, he would still be behind the curve and a mid-level pro at best.
It's disheartening to hear about Tyler. I like him in StoG, he is very articulate and says a lot of worthwhile interesting things in the community.
I don't know the exact reasons, but it sounds like a battle against himself. Losing comes with the territory in Starcraft 2. It's how you deal with it is the ultimate test of character. I personally compare this game to tennis or any other individual sport 1v1.
Competitive people get frustrated with themselves, when they know they made mistakes, when know they can play better. They beat themselves up, smash their own rackets, keyboards, etc. They are constantly questioning themselves. It's not fun when you feel that way.
Sometimes it can help drive you to become better, other times it can mentually drain you and deter you from becoming better, you end up just being angry. It's a hurdle hopefully Tyler will overcome. Don't give up man!
On September 26 2011 18:20 ShatterZer0 wrote: Why did NASL even show that first match? Were they trying to make threads go crazy? Why didn't they just say it was a walk-over after talking it over with TT1 or something...? I mean, they can and should fine Liquid'Tyler if it was a purposeful disconnect... but otherwise... I just don't get it...
Dont you think that would be disprespectful towards TT1? He won the first game fair and square as far as we know, and was prepared to take the next sets too, why would you dismiss his achievment? Just to protect another player who was obliged to play the second one, even if he felt he had no chance? I wonder if he loses money from the security deposit.
I agree. Basically every TL player had longer slumps but yet you could always see that they tried to succumb it and they always showed good manners and professionalism. Tyler on the other hand seems unable to do so for whatever reasons.
I think Tyler is much the same as Idra. Both are BW pros who shared good success in that game and transferred over to SC2. Both get frustrated when they play poorly or are out played and are prone to rage quit / bm (Idra more so than Tyler). Both describe SC2 as "not a real game" and would perfer to play BW if they could make as good of a living off it.
I just think Tyler's heart isn't in SC2. Maybe he has to wait for his contract with Stride to end to take a prolonged absence from the game, but I feel he should do so when he can. If you don't enjoy what you're doing (and I personally feel Tyler does not), why keep forcing yourself to do it. Taking some time off from having to play, practice and do things like STOG would probably be good for him. He may never play SC2 again professionally if he does it, but as long as he's happy that should be good enough for all his fans.
On September 26 2011 21:53 CptGrackSparrow wrote: I think Tyler is much the same as Idra. Both are BW pros who shared good success in that game and transferred over to SC2. Both get frustrated when they play poorly or are out played and are prone to rage quit / bm (Idra more so than Tyler). Both describe SC2 as "not a real game" and would perfer to play BW if they could make as good of a living off it.
I just think Tyler's heart isn't in SC2. Maybe he has to wait for his contract with Stride to end to take a prolonged absence from the game, but I feel he should do so when he can. If you don't enjoy what you're doing (and I personally feel Tyler does not), why keep forcing yourself to do it. Taking some time off from having to play, practice and do things like STOG would probably be good for him. He may never play SC2 again professionally if he does it, but as long as he's happy that should be good enough for all his fans.
IdrA ~ Tyler in BW, sure. But to be fair, IdrA >>> Tyler in SC2, and that's not even up for debate. IdrA's shown plenty of results, and even though he's not performing incredibly well right now, Tyler's pretty much produced nothing in the entire year that SC2 has been out.
And people shouldn't be giving Tyler hypothetical credit if he's not actually dedicating himself to the game. Saying things like "He'd win everything if only he practiced" takes away the credit from the people who actually worked hard and won tournaments.
I hope Tyler starts shaping up and kicking ass. Really, I do. But how fast do people jump on the "lol Player X used to be amazing at SC2 but now he's fucking terrible" bandwagon but give Tyler a free pass because he was a foreigner legend at BW- and never even the best at SC2 to begin with? FruitDealer is shit; IdrA is terrible; MC is in Code B lol wtf; but Tyler... yeah he'd kick ass if only he'd try!
And I think Tyler is honest with himself; I just think it's the people who are overzealously obsessed with him who aren't. I'm a fan of Nony; but not so much of Tyler.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of summer. He's probably been practicing full or at least close to fulltime for 2 months. To call him the most talented sc2 player of all because he topped EU ladder, and beat some koreans in an online qualifier, and a couple small online tournaments is just ridiculous I'm sorry. Maybe if he won MLG practicing 2 hours a day.
NASL has lost a lot of viewers compared to the first regular season. I guess people caught on that the real meat of the league lies in the final tournament.
Tyler should start easing into more of a coaching role at TL, seeing him struggle like this is painful to watch. I know he was great in BW etc etc, but not everyone can make the transition successfully. He has been a part of one of the strongest teams in the world for a year now and he has basically nothing to show for it in terms of achievements.
He'll be a great asset to assist the other TL members as a coach/mentor type of figure.
I hate to bring this up too much in these threads, but Tyler has a lot of stuff he's dealing with and it's not as simple as him just deciding to be serious about the game and practicing (if it was, he would have done it ages ago), he explained parts of this himself on SoTG which he absolutely didn't have to do given the personal nature of the problem. Also his "ragequits" and outbursts aren't intended and aren't due to anger or disrespect to his opponents, I hope everyone realizes this.
Let's keep in mind that Tyler isn't just some progamer, he's also been a member of this community for a long time. Obviously he wouldn't get as much respect and support (or special treatment, if you will) if he didn't do something to deserve it in the past. If you can't find it in your heart to respect that, at least refrain from piling on the relentless criticism every time something like this happens (and it's not that it happens often anyway).
The "he would kick ass if he practiced" posts can be a bit over the top, but it's mainly a way of showing support. It's partially true anyway, because someone's raw rts talent doesn't just go away even after an extended period of not practicing.
On September 26 2011 23:52 Bobster wrote: Tyler should start easing into more of a coaching role at TL, seeing him struggle like this is painful to watch. I know he was great in BW etc etc, but not everyone can make the transition successfully. He has been a part of one of the strongest teams in the world for a year now and he has basically nothing to show for it in terms of achievements.
He'll be a great asset to assist the other TL members as a coach/mentor type of figure.
If TL would tak that stance they would be left with 3-4 players max. And extra P and Z coaches that frankly TL doesnt need. What can Tyler teach Hero about Sc2?
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of summer. He's probably been practicing full or at least close to fulltime for 2 months. To call him the most talented sc2 player of all because he topped EU ladder, and beat some koreans in an online qualifier, and a couple small online tournaments is just ridiculous I'm sorry. Maybe if he won MLG practicing 2 hours a day.
Those small EU online torunaments at some times are more stacked than MLG...
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of summer. He's probably been practicing full or at least close to fulltime for 2 months. To call him the most talented sc2 player of all because he topped EU ladder, and beat some koreans in an online qualifier, and a couple small online tournaments is just ridiculous I'm sorry. Maybe if he won MLG practicing 2 hours a day.
Please follow the european scene more closely, to call that ridiculous. The online tournaments he won weren`t small and against the top of the european scene. Just yesterday he won 500 pounds at the Dignitas Invitational beating Kas, Socke and ToD. In LAN environment he beat Huk, Sen, took a game of Puma. And that was some months ago.
And when people state that he has the most talent, its their opinion. Talent means, he will win something big, not that he already did it.
On September 26 2011 23:52 Bobster wrote: Tyler should start easing into more of a coaching role at TL, seeing him struggle like this is painful to watch. I know he was great in BW etc etc, but not everyone can make the transition successfully. He has been a part of one of the strongest teams in the world for a year now and he has basically nothing to show for it in terms of achievements.
He'll be a great asset to assist the other TL members as a coach/mentor type of figure.
If TL would tak that stance they would be left with 3-4 players max. And extra P and Z coaches that frankly TL doesnt need. What can Tyler teach Hero about Sc2?
No, they'd go from 7 to 6 active players.
And it's not only about "teaching" - it's about observing, talking strategy, support and having a knowledgeable "outsider" perspective at hand. Remember Tyler coaching Huk in the finals at Dreamhack? Tyler really looked at ease there, I think he would fit well into that coach/mentor role.
On September 26 2011 21:20 fritos wrote: So, I was doing this project at work.
Not that I put my best effort to prepare for it but still, it didn't turn out the way I wanted.
So, I fucking stormed out of my office without telling anyone at work and drove off.
But I think it's going to be OK. They will still give me another project soon, I'm sure.
If you were a progamer, you would get one. I guess QQ-ing about your job is the new "terran op" :D
I was actually making a point of how ridiculous Tyler's actions were. (I was being sarcastic about the whole work story). There is no way that kinda action can fly in real professional world.
Do you want people to consider e-sport as a real professional sport?
How can we make that claim when the actual e-sport players like Tyler who shows no repect for his opponent, the league, fans, mostly importantly e-sport?
In real professional world, not only he would get fired for his action but it will be hard for him to get a job anywhere.
I remember the discussion about Puma and EG - where is a statement of TeamLiquid? On this site most users "asked" fpr a statement from EG within 12 or 24 hours. I dont say that I liked the way people bashing EG for the late statement (it wasnt a late statement), but here we got a similar case where a statement is required and most of the community says... nothing.
On September 27 2011 01:47 slimbo1 wrote: I remember the discussion about Puma and EG - where is a statement of TeamLiquid? On this site most users "asked" fpr a statement from EG within 12 or 24 hours. I dont say that I liked the way people bashing EG for the late statement (it wasnt a late statement), but here we got a similar case where a statement is required and most of the community says... nothing.
Meh. I just think we'd like Tyler to clear the air, but I don't think the situation is nearly as important as clarification regarding player contracts (like the Puma or Stephano controversies).
Sure it is not that important. But its funny how the player LiquidTyler was talking really bad about the whole EG-Puma situation and that he would never join a team like EG and now there is this curious situation.
On September 26 2011 23:52 Bobster wrote: Tyler should start easing into more of a coaching role at TL, seeing him struggle like this is painful to watch. I know he was great in BW etc etc, but not everyone can make the transition successfully. He has been a part of one of the strongest teams in the world for a year now and he has basically nothing to show for it in terms of achievements.
He'll be a great asset to assist the other TL members as a coach/mentor type of figure.
If TL would tak that stance they would be left with 3-4 players max. And extra P and Z coaches that frankly TL doesnt need. What can Tyler teach Hero about Sc2?
No, they'd go from 7 to 6 active players.
And it's not only about "teaching" - it's about observing, talking strategy, support and having a knowledgeable "outsider" perspective at hand. Remember Tyler coaching Huk in the finals at Dreamhack? Tyler really looked at ease there, I think he would fit well into that coach/mentor role.
As much as I like Tyler, I would disagree. I remember watching him on stream a few months ago in a PvP that he lost, and he asked how opponent got high ground vision (the opponent had collossi)... that really bothers me because clearly he isn't even paying attention to the game enough.
On September 26 2011 23:52 Bobster wrote: Tyler should start easing into more of a coaching role at TL, seeing him struggle like this is painful to watch. I know he was great in BW etc etc, but not everyone can make the transition successfully. He has been a part of one of the strongest teams in the world for a year now and he has basically nothing to show for it in terms of achievements.
He'll be a great asset to assist the other TL members as a coach/mentor type of figure.
If TL would tak that stance they would be left with 3-4 players max. And extra P and Z coaches that frankly TL doesnt need. What can Tyler teach Hero about Sc2?
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of summer. He's probably been practicing full or at least close to fulltime for 2 months. To call him the most talented sc2 player of all because he topped EU ladder, and beat some koreans in an online qualifier, and a couple small online tournaments is just ridiculous I'm sorry. Maybe if he won MLG practicing 2 hours a day.
Those small EU online torunaments at some times are more stacked than MLG...
More stacked than MLG? Can you direct me to the online EU tournament where that had Bomber. coca, puma and nada that Stephano won? Thanks.
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of summer. He's probably been practicing full or at least close to fulltime for 2 months. To call him the most talented sc2 player of all because he topped EU ladder, and beat some koreans in an online qualifier, and a couple small online tournaments is just ridiculous I'm sorry. Maybe if he won MLG practicing 2 hours a day.
Please follow the european scene more closely, to call that ridiculous. The online tournaments he won weren`t small and against the top of the european scene. Just yesterday he won 500 pounds at the Dignitas Invitational beating Kas, Socke and ToD. In LAN environment he beat Huk, Sen, took a game of Puma. And that was some months ago.
And when people state that he has the most talent, its their opinion. Talent means, he will win something big, not that he already did it.
500 pounds in a 1 day online invitational is a small tournament. Nothing you listed there screams "OMG MOST TALENTED SC2 PLAYER EVER" especially since you don't know his practice schedule this summer. And of course that's their opinion...this is mine, you realize we are on a forum, typically where people express their opinions. Don't know why you had to randomly tell me that.
On September 26 2011 13:09 0neder wrote: Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is.
Maybe his mind, like Greg Fields and maybe others?
On September 26 2011 23:52 Bobster wrote: Tyler should start easing into more of a coaching role at TL, seeing him struggle like this is painful to watch. I know he was great in BW etc etc, but not everyone can make the transition successfully. He has been a part of one of the strongest teams in the world for a year now and he has basically nothing to show for it in terms of achievements.
He'll be a great asset to assist the other TL members as a coach/mentor type of figure.
If TL would tak that stance they would be left with 3-4 players max. And extra P and Z coaches that frankly TL doesnt need. What can Tyler teach Hero about Sc2?
On September 26 2011 12:32 Maghetti wrote: Last time I visited Tylers stream he said he "hadn't played in a week" with this coming only a few weeks after he said on state of the game that he was finally practicing hard. I don't know what his issues are but I do not feel he should be allowed to stay in TL anymore if he isn't going to take it seriously and ragequit midway in a NASL series(assuming that is what he did because he didn't even answer his phone).
This week he started to stream. Lost the first game to a random zerg. Got mad and simply quit.
I feel bad for Tyler. He has good mechanics, lots of creativity and raw talent. Too bad he doesnt take the game serious like other progamers do.
i dont think people not taking the game seriously would get that upset about losing
Yeah you can, if you have an elitist attitude and think you can somehow cheat the system and get by on raw talent alone. The fact is Tyler could own almost anyone if he practiced half as much as Koreans do.
But he doesn't, which is the point. Sc2 doesn't run on raw talent alone, otherwise Stephano would arguably be the SC2 Bonjwa. It also runs on commitment, drive, and practice time, which Tyler has been lacking. Does he have the talent? Yeah. But hypotheticals such as "he would own up IF..." mean nothing, because he didn't.
Where did all this Stephano praise come from all of a sudden? I feel like EVERYONE is saying he has the most talent out of any player on earth, but I have no idea why. What has he won?
All this hype for him materialized out of nothing, I swear >.>
I never said he was the best, just that he had the most talent. And I think he does, because apparently he managed to be a top tier EU player while only practicing 2 hours a day, which is ridiculous. I'm not going as far as other people as to say he's top3 zergs in the world or whatever, just that his practice time to payoff ratio is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's kind of summer. He's probably been practicing full or at least close to fulltime for 2 months. To call him the most talented sc2 player of all because he topped EU ladder, and beat some koreans in an online qualifier, and a couple small online tournaments is just ridiculous I'm sorry. Maybe if he won MLG practicing 2 hours a day.
Those small EU online torunaments at some times are more stacked than MLG...
Lol no... maybe if IMMVP showed up on those you'd have a point...
On September 26 2011 13:09 0neder wrote: Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is.
Easy, the barrier is comfort. He's already respected and liked by a million fanboys (picking him in liquibet, lol), his regular life is in order (married, money doesn't seem to be an issue etc). This is clearly confirmed in a recent SOTG, when he stated his greatest achievement was becoming a respected member of the community, to be included (NOT as it were, in the actual winning of the TSL). This clearly reveals his inner mind on these issues. In other words, he achieved his goal. His goal was to be a liked and respected member of the community. It wasn't ever to consistently win starcraft tournaments and become a great SC player in and of itself.
He has little to gain by practicing hard. He knows he will never win anything even if he practiced all day, so he figures what's the point? Might as well just be a chilltoss on state of the game. The frustration comes from him changing but thinking it's the game that has changed on him. In other words, he often looks back on BW as the crowning glory of games, and has never really thought SC2 was a "proper" game. Fact of the matter is it's the same thing, it's just he is the one who has matured and can't find the passion for it anymore. Instead of recognizing that he's changed he feels the game isn't "properly designed" (like BW, he thinks) The protoss issues of late haven't helped this viewpoint.
He should have become an analytical caster like artosis and day9 and such and transitioned. He won't ever approach a high level again. (artosis and day9 would also not be winning anything even if practicing full time, they are smart to have transitioned)
On September 26 2011 13:09 0neder wrote: Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is.
Easy, the barrier is comfort. He's already respected and liked by a million fanboys (picking him in liquibet, lol), his regular life is in order (married, money doesn't seem to be an issue etc). This is clearly confirmed in a recent SOTG, when he stated his greatest achievement was becoming a respected member of the community, to be included (NOT as it were, in the actual winning of the TSL). This clearly reveals his inner mind on these issues. In other words, he achieved his goal. His goal was to be a liked and respected member of the community. It wasn't ever to consistently win starcraft tournaments and become a great SC player in and of itself.
He has little to gain by practicing hard. He knows he will never win anything even if he practiced all day, so he figures what's the point? Might as well just be a chilltoss on state of the game. The frustration comes from him changing but thinking it's the game that has changed on him. In other words, he often looks back on BW as the crowning glory of games, and has never really thought SC2 was a "proper" game. Fact of the matter is it's the same thing, it's just he is the one who has matured and can't find the passion for it anymore. Instead of recognizing that he's changed he feels the game isn't "properly designed" (like BW, he thinks) The protoss issues of late haven't helped this viewpoint.
He should have become an analytical caster like artosis and day9 and such and transitioned. He won't ever approach a high level again. (artosis and day9 would also not be winning anything even if practicing full time, they are smart to have transitioned)
woah. steady on there, mr. armchair psychiatrist. tyler expressed his fondest personal moment in BW was acceptance from the community, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was his 'one and only goal'. it would be reasonable to assume his goal/s changed multiple times over the course of his career. at one point, it was most certainly to become a professional starcraft player. given the practice hours put in, trip to korea and subsequent courage+pro team house experience alongside long term dedication to one game, one skillset, that 'goal' was undeniable. how would a player so superficially minded (as you claim him to be) ever reach such heights of play? regardless, i'm sure tyler is well aware of not having proven himself in a big way thus far in sc2, and that it is a current goal of his to get back into some regular practice routine.
please don't try to paint people as so painfully black and white, and pretend as though you know a guy you've never even met, its toxic to the community.
On September 26 2011 13:09 0neder wrote: Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is.
Easy, the barrier is comfort. He's already respected and liked by a million fanboys (picking him in liquibet, lol), his regular life is in order (married, money doesn't seem to be an issue etc). This is clearly confirmed in a recent SOTG, when he stated his greatest achievement was becoming a respected member of the community, to be included (NOT as it were, in the actual winning of the TSL). This clearly reveals his inner mind on these issues. In other words, he achieved his goal. His goal was to be a liked and respected member of the community. It wasn't ever to consistently win starcraft tournaments and become a great SC player in and of itself.
He has little to gain by practicing hard. He knows he will never win anything even if he practiced all day, so he figures what's the point? Might as well just be a chilltoss on state of the game. The frustration comes from him changing but thinking it's the game that has changed on him. In other words, he often looks back on BW as the crowning glory of games, and has never really thought SC2 was a "proper" game. Fact of the matter is it's the same thing, it's just he is the one who has matured and can't find the passion for it anymore. Instead of recognizing that he's changed he feels the game isn't "properly designed" (like BW, he thinks) The protoss issues of late haven't helped this viewpoint.
He should have become an analytical caster like artosis and day9 and such and transitioned. He won't ever approach a high level again. (artosis and day9 would also not be winning anything even if practicing full time, they are smart to have transitioned)
woah. steady on there, mr. armchair psychiatrist. tyler expressed his fondest personal moment in BW was acceptance from the community, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was his 'one and only goal'. it would be reasonable to assume his goal/s changed multiple times over the course of his career. at one point, it was most certainly to become a professional starcraft player. given the practice hours put in, trip to korea and subsequent courage+pro team house experience alongside long term dedication to one game, one skillset, that 'goal' was undeniable. how would a player so superficially minded (as you claim him to be) ever reach such heights of play? regardless, i'm sure tyler is well aware of not having proven himself in a big way thus far in sc2, and that it is a current goal of his to get back into some regular practice routine.
please don't try to paint people as so painfully black and white, and pretend as though you know a guy you've never even met, its toxic to the community.
First, it's not being an armchair psychiatrist to analyze a person's actions and their own words explaining their own actions.
Second, I didn't say it was his "one and only goal" as you falsely quote me as saying. I said it was his primary goal.
Fact of the matter is all those exterior actions he put in in BW were clearly toward his primary goal which was to become a respected and liked member of the community. Becoming a BW progamer was the means to this end. Since he already achieved this, he had not much to go for in SC2 as his primary goal was achieved.
Fourth, I never said he was superficially minded AT ALL. There is nothing wrong with desiring to be well respected and liked by a community you respect and like. You're simply making things up as to what I said.
Fifth, I never "painted him as black and white", but simply analyzed one area of his public life based on his actions and what he himself has stated. This is hardly "toxic to the community"
You are the one being toxic who can't even handle an analysis of a person's own actions and statements.
On September 26 2011 13:09 0neder wrote: Yeah, but why would he bother with SC2 if he didn't enjoy practicing it? Especially with a supportive wife and everything, I just don't get what the barrier is.
Easy, the barrier is comfort. He's already respected and liked by a million fanboys (picking him in liquibet, lol), his regular life is in order (married, money doesn't seem to be an issue etc). This is clearly confirmed in a recent SOTG, when he stated his greatest achievement was becoming a respected member of the community, to be included (NOT as it were, in the actual winning of the TSL). This clearly reveals his inner mind on these issues. In other words, he achieved his goal. His goal was to be a liked and respected member of the community. It wasn't ever to consistently win starcraft tournaments and become a great SC player in and of itself.
He has little to gain by practicing hard. He knows he will never win anything even if he practiced all day, so he figures what's the point? Might as well just be a chilltoss on state of the game. The frustration comes from him changing but thinking it's the game that has changed on him. In other words, he often looks back on BW as the crowning glory of games, and has never really thought SC2 was a "proper" game. Fact of the matter is it's the same thing, it's just he is the one who has matured and can't find the passion for it anymore. Instead of recognizing that he's changed he feels the game isn't "properly designed" (like BW, he thinks) The protoss issues of late haven't helped this viewpoint.
He should have become an analytical caster like artosis and day9 and such and transitioned. He won't ever approach a high level again. (artosis and day9 would also not be winning anything even if practicing full time, they are smart to have transitioned)
woah. steady on there, mr. armchair psychiatrist. tyler expressed his fondest personal moment in BW was acceptance from the community, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was his 'one and only goal'. it would be reasonable to assume his goal/s changed multiple times over the course of his career. at one point, it was most certainly to become a professional starcraft player. given the practice hours put in, trip to korea and subsequent courage+pro team house experience alongside long term dedication to one game, one skillset, that 'goal' was undeniable. how would a player so superficially minded (as you claim him to be) ever reach such heights of play? regardless, i'm sure tyler is well aware of not having proven himself in a big way thus far in sc2, and that it is a current goal of his to get back into some regular practice routine.
please don't try to paint people as so painfully black and white, and pretend as though you know a guy you've never even met, its toxic to the community.
Second, I didn't say it was his "one and only goal" as you falsely quote me as saying. I said it was his primary goal.
So you interpret "fondest moment" as "primary goal" and derive a bunch of nonsense from that conjecture. Such analysis would be in bad taste even if it was anywhere near correct, let alone completely made up.
Do people have to constantly try to analyse Tyler? The guy probably is regretting admitting his depression issues as it caused no end to the conjecture while a ton of ignorant comments were made on the subject. I recognise that he is beloved of the fans, but give the guy some fucking space!
On September 26 2011 21:20 fritos wrote: So, I was doing this project at work.
Not that I put my best effort to prepare for it but still, it didn't turn out the way I wanted.
So, I fucking stormed out of my office without telling anyone at work and drove off.
But I think it's going to be OK. They will still give me another project soon, I'm sure.
If you were a progamer, you would get one. I guess QQ-ing about your job is the new "terran op" :D
I was actually making a point of how ridiculous Tyler's actions were. (I was being sarcastic about the whole work story). There is no way that kinda action can fly in real professional world.
Do you want people to consider e-sport as a real professional sport?
How can we make that claim when the actual e-sport players like Tyler who shows no repect for his opponent, the league, fans, mostly importantly e-sport?
In real professional world, not only he would get fired for his action but it will be hard for him to get a job anywhere.
In the real professional world he would get paid leave until his health improves. Although these things are normally very badly handled at work, at least to his credit he has informed people of his condition. It's quite clear that he's not taking liberties. I don't know what kind of draconian world you want to live in.
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