MLG Raleigh Day 1 RED Live Report Thread - Page 390

On August 27 2011 11:33 Heavenly wrote:


How? You already know, if the Koreans aren't there, that it's probably going to be Naniwa, Huk, or IdrA winning the tournament like they win every other tournament without Koreans in them. There is no "Korean" and "Western" SC2 scene, or you wouldn't be complaining that foreigners aren't doing well in the GSL or that Koreans are dominating---there is one scene and the Koreans are usually winning. Because the scenes are merging together and in the end the best players are winning regardless of whether or not they're Korean. The Western scene has only been growing, if you look to the teamliquid calendar there is always at least one medium-sized tournament or Weekly Cup or KoTH going on, esports is doing completely fine.

Your last couple sentences don't make sense. The Koreans do lose games to foreigners, sometimes by a big way as in Sjow v Bomber and Kiwikaki v Nada. Anyway there is a large skillgap between your Incontrols and your Naniwas in the first place, there will always be one-sided games. Why have western tournaments that will in the end only be lining the pockets of, say, European players? It's all one esports scene with Koreans coming to Western tournaments and Westerners going to Korean tournaments.

On August 27 2011 11:35 GreatestThreat wrote:
This rooting for players based on nationality and IRL race rather than Starcraft race is absolutely stupid. I don't care if this or that player is a foreigner or a korean - I'm gonna root for DRG because he's a sick good zerg, and I'm gonna root for Coca because he's a sick good zerg as well. And if Idra or Ret or Sheth take a game off a korean I'm gonna be just as happy, although I prefer creative, aggressive zergs to passive macro ones... so what it really comes down to is I'm rooting on players based on race and style. Who cares what country they're from, the whole point of SC2 as an esport is that it's international. Everyone, from anywhere in the world can be involved, and that's a beautiful thing. If the koreans are playing better, pick a korean that represents your race and has a style you like and root for him.

The exception to the game-racial bias would be players that I feel drawn to as a person, the really charismatic individuals that you can't help but root for - i.e. for me personally: White Ra, BoxeR, MC, TLO etc. Note that there are BOTH KOREANS AND NON-KOREANS IN THAT LIST.

Stop being racist and get your priorities straight. Good games > pitiful notions of such an idea as 'nationality'. Are invisible lines that people you don't even know drew on a globe generations before you were born really important to you?

I have no idea how people can possibly say korean domination makes the tournament boring when the koreans play better (which is obviously WHY they're dominating) and are therefore more enjoyable to watch.

On August 27 2011 11:35 LegendaryZ wrote:


It wouldn't be MLG if there were enough chairs. Having a shortage of chairs is an integral part of the experience.

On August 27 2011 11:32 Pirat6662001 wrote:

and thus depressing western scene further? Do you know anything about economics and infant industries? To gain even leg or even an advantage its been long popular to put large trade tariffs or even embargo of foreign products (Koreans to tourney) in order to protect your own industry in infancy so latter it can compete evenly (US did it during their industrial revolution vs British and look how that worked out). Not letting Koreans compete now is a smart long term plan so we can have good games in 2-3 years

On August 27 2011 11:35 justsayinbro wrote:
hey i just tuned in, any win signs so far? lol. go dutch go is not clever at all

On August 27 2011 11:37 acrimoneyius wrote:


It isn't racist to have pride in players that play for your country. People can root for whoever they want, why give them shit for it?

On August 27 2011 11:38 Seeker wrote:
Seriously, can someone explain?

Where is Ret vs NaDa?

I want to watch that so badly..... :[

On August 27 2011 11:37 GrimMind wrote:
I know it's n00bish to want a specific race to win but I really wish a Zerg tyakes this tourney. I don't care if he's a foreigner or not. I just want Terrans to go down.

On August 27 2011 11:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone know if Incontrol will still be qualified for pool play if he goes 0-8 this tournament?

On August 27 2011 11:34 Jinivus wrote:

Hahaha, then all the europeans dominate everyone else then you ban them too? Foreigners should get good enough to compete or continue to get stomped.

On August 27 2011 11:35 Maghetti wrote:

I would say that yeah ;o. I am against cheering for your local team just because it is a local team. It is illogical. Two team players could trade spots and suddenly the same players would be cheered against? Thats stupid. The only reasonable method of deciding who to cheer for is on an individual level. With the koreans, they have the better games because they are harder workers, and have the better skills. I am fine with cheering for Huk for example because he is a foreigner AND a code S level player when playing his best. Cheering for haypro over someone like bomber just makes my brain explode however.