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1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance.

It is in no way complete. Keep in mind that there's a difference between pointing out that the SC2 and CoD streams were switched and whining about it (same thing on pointing out/asking about stream lag and whining about it, etc.). Also, just because you post something and aren't immediately banned for it doesn't mean you won't get caught. We'll be going through this thread very carefully.

That being said, enjoy today's games!

Time stamp: page 38, 6:23.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7821
Lol for one brief second, I thought Milkis was Nada since the camera zoomed in on him first and was very confused.
Shaxe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands590 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7822
Nada is much taller than I anticipated lol.
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7823
Go rett!!!

Demolish this kid
icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7824
On August 27 2011 11:35 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:28 humbre wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:22 Maghetti wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:12 hitpoint wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:09 Quotidian wrote:
I'm sorry to say this, but the current korean dominance is killing the enjoyment of western tournaments for me. There's just no one to root for, because no one seems to have a chance.


I won't stop watching. But I basically agree that tournaments are far less enjoyable with Koreans always winning. Sorry, it's the truth.

Not a problem for me because I root for most of the koreans over most of the foreigners :D


me too, they are superior players and produce way better games. Boggles mu mind that somebody would prefer to watch naniwa vs idra over MC vs Nestea in the finals of MLZG only because they are foreigners


Yea when my school sports team plays another school, I root for the other team because they are superior players and produce better games. Wait that's actually not true at all.

It's not hard to understand. People want their "home town" teams etc. to do well. In this case foreigners are seen as that. It's not because of racism or some other retarded oversimplification. This kind of logic is rampant in this thread, and it's beyond ridiculous.


Yea, guess it's kind of like rooting for your team in the olympics or World cup.

Even if they are completely outclassed you still want to see them do well.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7825
On August 27 2011 11:35 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:26 Mauldo wrote:
Uhhh...are people legit saying it's bad to cheer for players from your country? Isn't it equivalent to cheering on the soccer team from your city (like Leeds people cheering for the Leeds soccer team) or people from Green Bay cheering on the Green Bay Packers in the NFL? The Detroit Lions lost 0-13 this last season in the NFL, and no one looked at the stadium full of fans from Detroit and said "Hey you xenophobic jackasses, cheer for the New England Patriots! They're the better team, they deserve your cheers!"


I would say that yeah ;o. I am against cheering for your local team just because it is a local team. It is illogical. Two team players could trade spots and suddenly the same players would be cheered against? Thats stupid. The only reasonable method of deciding who to cheer for is on an individual level. With the koreans, they have the better games because they are harder workers, and have the better skills. I am fine with cheering for Huk for example because he is a foreigner AND a code S level player when playing his best. Cheering for haypro over someone like bomber just makes my brain explode however.


Well unfortunately for you life isn't just hard cold logic, there is emotion. In fact it is illogical for you to not factor that in. If I grew up with a best friend who happened to be a mid level player who does decent in the open brackets, would you still say "wow that is so illogical that you cheer for him, he is not the best!" or would you simply recognize that story and personality are also important to people.

If things were your way, everyone would always cheer for one person in every match up. That would suck.

I guess the part that bothered me so much was that you tried to ONLY use logic in your statements, but you didn't even use it well at all...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7826
Nada so classy <3. I don't care who wins. Ret and Nada are both fucking a-m-a-z-i-n-g.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Monocle
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1509 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7827
On August 27 2011 11:39 Tewks44 wrote:
woah Ret's english is amazing


Yeah it's hard to believe that he's Dutch. His accent is ridiculously good.
Jinivus
Profile Joined July 2011
747 Posts
August 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#7828
On August 27 2011 11:37 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:33 Heavenly wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:23 Quotidian wrote:
It's funny how people are tourning this into a race issue.. I don't root for players because of their skin color or their nationality (though I will be more interested in - say - swedish players, considering I'm norwegian) I don't have any problems with the better players winning.. it just seems to me that the western SC2 scene is becoming less and less vital the more Koreans show just how much better they are. As someone else pointed out, a tournament is inherently going to be less exciting when you know beforehand that the top finalists are going to be Korean? Why watch one-sided games with less skilled players when you can just go straight to the highest tier and watch the GSL? Why have western tournaments that will in the end only be lining the pockets of Korean players, when we can already observe the highest level of play elsewhere?


How? You already know, if the Koreans aren't there, that it's probably going to be Naniwa, Huk, or IdrA winning the tournament like they win every other tournament without Koreans in them. There is no "Korean" and "Western" SC2 scene, or you wouldn't be complaining that foreigners aren't doing well in the GSL or that Koreans are dominating---there is one scene and the Koreans are usually winning. Because the scenes are merging together and in the end the best players are winning regardless of whether or not they're Korean. The Western scene has only been growing, if you look to the teamliquid calendar there is always at least one medium-sized tournament or Weekly Cup or KoTH going on, esports is doing completely fine.

Your last couple sentences don't make sense. The Koreans do lose games to foreigners, sometimes by a big way as in Sjow v Bomber and Kiwikaki v Nada. Anyway there is a large skillgap between your Incontrols and your Naniwas in the first place, there will always be one-sided games. Why have western tournaments that will in the end only be lining the pockets of, say, European players? It's all one esports scene with Koreans coming to Western tournaments and Westerners going to Korean tournaments.


Speaking of race, if I only root for Protoss, does that make me a racist? I only root for them because I'm Protoss. It sounds silly, but if I know if I rooted for white people because I'm white I would be racist...

lol...sc2 races are actually completely different...the only difference between human races is skin color hence why treating people different based on their races = bad.
Pros
Profile Joined February 2011
219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 02:41:27
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7829
I'm stupid
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7830
gogogo Nada!
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7831
On August 27 2011 11:37 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:32 DizzyDrone wrote:
I root for players because I like them, and it's just a lot easier to like players that show what they are like so that you can identify with them. I root for Tyler because he's an awesome guy who's part of one of my favorite SC2 shows. I don't root for DRG because although he's an awesome player, one interview just isn't enough to make me care.

Obviously I'm going to like foreigners more.

Hope that clears it up for the people who just don't understand why people would root for foreigners.


Well you should start rooting for players who actually good, otherwise tournaments like this won't be enjoyable for you.. its the same with people who root for destiny in which they always end up crying, the reason is because hes not top tier not because the competition is too good.

The high level is there, the standard has been set.. Its up to the rest of the players to play at that level.. everybody wants to see the best play against the best.


I don't even know how to respond to this... the tournament won't be enjoyable for me because the players I'm rooting for don't make the finals? What?

I guess you also believe anyone rooting for any player other then Flash in BroodWar is an idiot?
Pirat6662001
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation949 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7832
On August 27 2011 11:38 Ninety-Three wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:32 Pirat6662001 wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:28 CEPEHDREI wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:23 Quotidian wrote:
It's funny how people are tourning this into a race issue.. I don't root for players because of their skin color or their nationality (though I will be more interested in - say - swedish players, considering I'm norwegian) I don't have any problems with the better players winning.. it just seems to me that the western SC2 scene is becoming less and less vital the more Koreans show just how much better they are. As someone else pointed out, a tournament is inherently going to be less exciting when you know beforehand that the top finalists are going to be Korean? Why watch one-sided games with less skilled players when you can just go straight to the highest tier and watch the GSL? Why have western tournaments that will in the end only be lining the pockets of Korean players, when we can already observe the highest level of play elsewhere?


then go to small lans and watch sc2 there. or ask the foreign players to go to the small lans if theyre not good enough to compete at the biggest stage. I wanna see the best of the best battle it out and not some bad games by foreigners against each other.

and thus depressing western scene further? Do you know anything about economics and infant industries? To gain even leg or even an advantage its been long popular to put large trade tariffs or even embargo of foreign products (Koreans to tourney) in order to protect your own industry in infancy so latter it can compete evenly (US did it during their industrial revolution vs British and look how that worked out). Not letting Koreans compete now is a smart long term plan so we can have good games in 2-3 years


One problem. What you're saying isn't an accurate analogy. You get better by playing with people who are better than you.

You get better by knowing that there is money involved in getting better. Foreigner skill will naturaly rise if there is more money, cause people will practice harder and things like ladder will eventually (up to 5 years) get to Korean level.
So.. this Earth, nice planet you might say- WRONG!!
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7833
On August 27 2011 11:38 Bagljash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:35 LegendaryZ wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:34 TheKefka wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:34 Headnoob wrote:
Good to see MLG still has people sitting in aisles


There are just never enough chairs are there


It wouldn't be MLG if there were enough chairs. Having a shortage of chairs is an integral part of the experience.

JP once said they couldn't get more chairs because there's some law that allows a maximum ammount before more severe security measures are applied (he was mentioning fire marshals not giving them permission)


fire marshals would be more concerned with the amount of people and the blocking of aisles than the amount of chairs.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7834
Nice, was worried we wouldn't get to see this one -.-

Ret 2-1
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Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7835
On August 27 2011 11:40 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:39 babylon wrote:
Did they just call CoCa a B-teamer?

What the fuck.

Seriously, he's code S and undoubtedly SlayerS best zerg now lol


Only zerg, haven't seen min in a while and never seen Drugbird played XD
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7836
why are people so concerned about who other people root for? Its their fucking decision.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7837
Lol I think Ret had already headed to his booth, soo BM
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7838
On August 27 2011 11:40 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:37 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:32 DizzyDrone wrote:
I root for players because I like them, and it's just a lot easier to like players that show what they are like so that you can identify with them. I root for Tyler because he's an awesome guy who's part of one of my favorite SC2 shows. I don't root for DRG because although he's an awesome player, one interview just isn't enough to make me care.

Obviously I'm going to like foreigners more.

Hope that clears it up for the people who just don't understand why people would root for foreigners.


Well you should start rooting for players who actually good, otherwise tournaments like this won't be enjoyable for you.. its the same with people who root for destiny in which they always end up crying, the reason is because hes not top tier not because the competition is too good.

The high level is there, the standard has been set.. Its up to the rest of the players to play at that level.. everybody wants to see the best play against the best.


By this logic football fans should only ever root for Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Liverpool and teams like West Ham shouldn't have any fans at all. We would end up with a premier league of only four teams.

All competitive sports would either shrink or fall apart because of the bandwagon fan mentality.
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7839
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 27 2011 11:40 Sleight wrote:
On August 27 2011 11:32 Sleight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:27 Sleight wrote:
So far in pool play here is how the non Koreigns are doing by team:

Dignitas 10-6
EG 4-10
Liquid 2-8 (excluding Sheth2:0Ret because that is just 2-2)
Root 3-4
FXO 0-4
RGN 2:0

This is everything on MLG's website. Seems Dig is top. EG is 2-0 over Liquid in matches, with only Sheth having won any games for them (2-0 vs moonan). Root, FXO, and RGN, only have one player reporting for them each, but I included them for fairness sake.



Update with Bomber > Machine

EG now 5-12, rest is the same.



Whhhoops. Watching Destiny makes me forget Root is gone.

Col is 3-4 (Slush. I am keeping him separate from DRG).

Slush is on ReIGN.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 02:42:48
August 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#7840
On August 27 2011 11:35 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 11:26 Mauldo wrote:
Uhhh...are people legit saying it's bad to cheer for players from your country? Isn't it equivalent to cheering on the soccer team from your city (like Leeds people cheering for the Leeds soccer team) or people from Green Bay cheering on the Green Bay Packers in the NFL? The Detroit Lions lost 0-13 this last season in the NFL, and no one looked at the stadium full of fans from Detroit and said "Hey you xenophobic jackasses, cheer for the New England Patriots! They're the better team, they deserve your cheers!"


I would say that yeah ;o. I am against cheering for your local team just because it is a local team. It is illogical. Two team players could trade spots and suddenly the same players would be cheered against? Thats stupid. The only reasonable method of deciding who to cheer for is on an individual level. With the koreans, they have the better games because they are harder workers, and have the better skills. I am fine with cheering for Huk for example because he is a foreigner AND a code S level player when playing his best. Cheering for haypro over someone like bomber just makes my brain explode however.


Is your country Sweden, USA, Canada, Ukraine, Germany, Poland, etc? Rooting for players from your own country to win makes sense, there's a difference between wanting a NA player like IdrA or Huk to deal well, and wanting any player from the entire world to beat a Korean.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
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