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Obligatory public note for all large tournament threads: The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans: 1. Whining about stream 2. Bashing other games 3. Flaming other users 4. Bashing players 5. Complaining about imbalance. It is in no way complete. Keep in mind that there's a difference between pointing out that the SC2 and CoD streams were switched and whining about it (same thing on pointing out/asking about stream lag and whining about it, etc.). Also, just because you post something and aren't immediately banned for it doesn't mean you won't get caught. We'll be going through this thread very carefully. That being said, enjoy today's games! Time stamp: page 38, 6:23. | ||
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Grettin
42400 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:31 fone wrote: Wasn't there only one game (Select - TLO) for TLO? TLO has played 3 games if i remember right(atleast 2 tho). But apparently he isn't out. I'm not familiar with the pool system. | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:30 PartyBiscuit wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1165_IefNaij TSL winner in BW. thank you. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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Muir
United States9 Posts
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:30 TT1 wrote: dont understand why theyd give a casting break to both tastosis + dayhusk at the same time, no one can watch 2 games at the same time.. now would be the perfect time to have 1 team casting 1 match while the other takes a break if only it were that simple | ||
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Pajegetc
United States3158 Posts
One of the Casters does the observing as well for the games as well. | ||
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Pirat6662001
Russian Federation949 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:28 CEPEHDREI wrote: then go to small lans and watch sc2 there. or ask the foreign players to go to the small lans if theyre not good enough to compete at the biggest stage. I wanna see the best of the best battle it out and not some bad games by foreigners against each other. and thus depressing western scene further? Do you know anything about economics and infant industries? To gain even leg or even an advantage its been long popular to put large trade tariffs or even embargo of foreign products (Koreans to tourney) in order to protect your own industry in infancy so latter it can compete evenly (US did it during their industrial revolution vs British and look how that worked out). Not letting Koreans compete now is a smart long term plan so we can have good games in 2-3 years | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:27 Sleight wrote: So far in pool play here is how the non Koreigns are doing by team: Dignitas 10-6 EG 4-10 Liquid 2-8 (excluding Sheth2:0Ret because that is just 2-2) Root 3-4 FXO 0-4 RGN 2:0 This is everything on MLG's website. Seems Dig is top. EG is 2-0 over Liquid in matches, with only Sheth having won any games for them (2-0 vs moonan). Root, FXO, and RGN, only have one player reporting for them each, but I included them for fairness sake. Update with Bomber > Machine EG now 5-12, rest is the same. | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
Obviously I'm going to like foreigners more. Hope that clears it up for the people who just don't understand why people would root for foreigners. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:16 Heavenly wrote: I always lol at people who say it's such a disappointment when koreans beat foreigners. Why? Because their skin is white? Why do people from the US somehow lump themselves together with people from the Ukraine and Sweden? With Chinese players and Latin American players? Just makes no sense. "Korean" esports are now becoming esports throughout the world with their participation in foreign tournaments and foreign participation in their tournaments, this isn't Brood War. Tons of Koreans are joining foreigner teams and there are tons of mergers going on. So silly, I really can't think of anything other than skin color that makes Korea different. People love it when good Swedes dominate but if it's Koreans, oh no this tournament is so boring I wish foreigners would win. Koreans are attempting to integrate themselves into the international scene to become recognizable players you can root for through things like participation in MLG and whole teams going for qualifiers and TL Opens, but when a Korean wins these people grumble inexplicably. Well I know this might come as a shock, but Korean culture is pretty foreign in comparison to Swedish culture if you'd every leave you home and find out. Americans are largely Europeans that crossed over not too long ago etc etc. Ofcourse it's going to be easier to identify oneself to oneanother. Koreans practice unbelievably much, they live in prohouses and breath starcraft day and night which is a enormous advantage, and it's always interesting to see who'll win when they come over to western events. Westerners are always underdogs, and I've always rooted for underdogs. If you look at the 'integration' attempts by Koreans at NASL you'll notice that most Koreans obviously arn't THAT eager to come over to the west. Not unless it's a prepayed all inclusive trip and there's an invite to the championship bracket. I don't think alot of people say no to that kind of 'integration'. I for one still very much so enjoy Koreans duking it out, so I don't mind this very much at all to be honest, and the Korean vs Foreigner is always a great storyline for a tournament. To me the biggest boner kill is when there's only matchups I'm not interested in.. That's when I turn off the stream and go do something else. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:23 Quotidian wrote: It's funny how people are tourning this into a race issue.. I don't root for players because of their skin color or their nationality (though I will be more interested in - say - swedish players, considering I'm norwegian) I don't have any problems with the better players winning.. it just seems to me that the western SC2 scene is becoming less and less vital the more Koreans show just how much better they are. As someone else pointed out, a tournament is inherently going to be less exciting when you know beforehand that the top finalists are going to be Korean? Why watch one-sided games with less skilled players when you can just go straight to the highest tier and watch the GSL? Why have western tournaments that will in the end only be lining the pockets of Korean players, when we can already observe the highest level of play elsewhere? How? You already know, if the Koreans aren't there, that it's probably going to be Naniwa, Huk, or IdrA winning the tournament like they win every other tournament without Koreans in them. There is no "Korean" and "Western" SC2 scene, or you wouldn't be complaining that foreigners aren't doing well in the GSL or that Koreans are dominating---there is one scene and the Koreans are usually winning. Because the scenes are merging together and in the end the best players are winning regardless of whether or not they're Korean. The Western scene has only been growing, if you look to the teamliquid calendar there is always at least one medium-sized tournament or Weekly Cup or KoTH going on, esports is doing completely fine. Your last couple sentences don't make sense. The Koreans do lose games to foreigners, sometimes by a big way as in Sjow v Bomber Game 1 and Kiwikaki v Nada. Anyway there is a large skillgap between your Incontrols and your Naniwas in the first place, there will always be one-sided games. Why have western tournaments that will in the end only be lining the pockets of, say, European players? It's all one esports scene with Koreans coming to Western tournaments and Westerners going to Korean tournaments. On August 27 2011 11:32 Euronyme wrote: Well I know this might come as a shock, but Korean culture is pretty foreign in comparison to Swedish culture if you'd every leave you home and find out. Americans are largely Europeans that crossed over not too long ago etc etc. Ofcourse it's going to be easier to identify oneself to oneanother. Koreans practice unbelievably much, they live in prohouses and breath starcraft day and night which is a enormous advantage, and it's always interesting to see who'll win when they come over to western events. Westerners are always underdogs, and I've always rooted for underdogs. If you look at the 'integration' attempts by Koreans at NASL you'll notice that most Koreans obviously arn't THAT eager to come over to the west. Not unless it's a prepayed all inclusive trip and there's an invite to the championship bracket. I don't think alot of people say no to that kind of 'integration'. I for one still very much so enjoy Koreans duking it out, so I don't mind this very much at all to be honest, and the Korean vs Foreigner is always a great storyline for a tournament. To me the biggest boner kill is when there's only matchups I'm not interested in.. That's when I turn off the stream and go do something else. What does their culture have to do with watching them play games of Starcraft 2? A lot of European culture is different than American culture as well. I've been to some countries in Europe and my roommate just came from Australia and tells me about the differences. If you look at anything besides the NASL fiasco, where the Koreans decided they didn't want to play in one tournament where they didn't like the situation (Naniwa doesn't want to participate in it either, he's killing esports!). Look at qualifiers and TL opens and FXOpens, entire Korean teams attempt to participate. Foreigners are also given money and accomodations to go into the GSL, it's an attempt to integrate the scene. Obviously you're not going to want to leave your home country to participate in a foreign tournament where you'll have bad jetlag without an incentive, a lot of pros don't even travel a couple hours to LANs. Personally I'm not that interested in Incontrol v Gretorp but whatever floats your boat. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:32 Pirat6662001 wrote: and thus depressing western scene further? Do you know anything about economics and infant industries? To gain even leg or even an advantage its been long popular to put large trade tariffs or even embargo of foreign products (Koreans to tourney) in order to protect your own industry in infancy so latter it can compete evenly (US did it during their industrial revolution vs British and look how that worked out). Not letting Koreans compete now is a smart long term plan so we can have good games in 2-3 years Hahaha, then all the europeans dominate everyone else then you ban them too? Foreigners should get good enough to compete or continue to get stomped. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:34 Headnoob wrote: Good to see MLG still has people sitting in aisles There are just never enough chairs are there  | ||
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icarly
United States400 Posts
you enjoy 30+ minutes of downtime in between games when they could easily just hop into anybody's game in the open bracket/ championship play? | ||
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justsayinbro
307 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:28 humbre wrote: me too, they are superior players and produce way better games. Boggles mu mind that somebody would prefer to watch naniwa vs idra over MC vs Nestea in the finals of MLZG only because they are foreigners Yea when my school sports team plays another school, I root for the other team because they are superior players and produce better games. Wait that's actually not true at all. It's not hard to understand. People want their "home town" teams etc. to do well. In this case foreigners are seen as that. It's not because of racism or some other retarded oversimplification. This kind of logic is rampant in this thread, and it's beyond ridiculous. | ||
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