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can anyone summarize naniwa games just woke up , and checked the results...pretty dissapointed by the way.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On August 10 2011 17:07 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:00 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 ShootingStars wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 namste wrote:
People people, stop making excuses. Koreans are simply better, white dudes need to practice way more. Simple as that. No they don't they need quality practice not MORE practice >_> Indeed quality over quantity ! that's the whole purpose of coming here must become the best of the best ! I look forward to watching our foreigners play in GSTL they will become even more foreign boss's then they are now :D cheers to that.
I've seen Youtube of the European house tours. the kids were so relaxed you know like western style culture. then I saw house tours of IM, Slayers, NeoSEO, Zenez, MVP, Star-tales. these Korean kids were never joking around or having fun. they were all playing it like a job. Like they had to prove something to somebody.
I think that with more money that is put into e-sports, the level of fierceness and seriousness of pro-gamers will go to another level. Some Foreigners are realizing that they need dedicate themselves to e-sports, because eports is a future gold-mine, mega sport in the making. these pro-gamers are also pioneers or trail-blazers for future kids that want to be great at pro gaming. that is only a good thing when lots of money is involved. And there will be heroes from countries that kids can emulate. the money is probably will be the biggest factor in drawing talent.
Super false, they joke around and relax a lot - just not while practicing.
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On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:
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omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible.
Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him.
Before? Why does 6 months ago matter AT ALL right now given how fast the game changes? Jesus, everything everyone is saying is flying way over your head right now. Fruitdealer and Rainbow placed top 2 in the first GSL, but now they are so far gone it's not even funny. And at least hongun can manage to beat a korean when placed up against them for whatever reason.
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On August 10 2011 17:11 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:10 sleepingdog wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:56 sleepingdog wrote:Wow...coming to work, eating breakfast, expecting to read at least about one single victory....day = ruined, I'm depressed now  Dont give up you still have Huk to root for! =D Well, he is playing next week...so...day still ruined. Only Alicia going 2-0 vs two 1-1-1- all-ins would cheer me up  Don't think Alicia is going to make it out of the group, he's been in decline for a while now. Losing early on in about every tournament.
to be fair, most protoss players have. Alicia and puzzle are the ones you would maybe expect different results from.
i just dont want to see alicia get owned by a 1-1-1 today. that would make me sad.
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I wish more foreigners would play in the GSL.
I love free liquidbet points
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On August 10 2011 17:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there" might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments. IdrA doesnt deserve too much hype, but he doesnt deserve too much hate either - he has had very solid showings at the MLGs even though he didnt win... He just has those stupid games where he kills himself or "very solid" might have been "very impressive".
hey jinro we love you. keep fighting!!!
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On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:
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omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible.
Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him.
what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4.
you're just mad.
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On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4.
seeing MMA manhandle nestea on zergpolis yesterday so bad with the current state of TvZ and also showing such an impressive TVT i think MMA has this one in the bag, If not mma then definately MVP is going to win this gsl. Both of them are simply not humans, they are machines.
Ppl will sight it as terran being imba, but thats a load of bullshit. Playing T is incredibly hard right now.
Anyway, to be on topic, truely a sad day for sweden esports, they looked terrible out their tonight, i think thorzain was the only one a who managed to take a single game, everything else was EZ 2-0 victories for koreans. You guys truely need to step it up, its not about mass practicing but quality practice with reasons why you lost a particular game and what could have done to improve.
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On August 10 2011 17:11 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:10 sleepingdog wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:56 sleepingdog wrote:Wow...coming to work, eating breakfast, expecting to read at least about one single victory....day = ruined, I'm depressed now Dont give up you still have Huk to root for! =D Well, he is playing next week...so...day still ruined. Only Alicia going 2-0 vs two 1-1-1- all-ins would cheer me up Don't think Alicia is going to make it out of the group, he's been in decline for a while now. Losing early on in about every tournament.
To be fair, his PvT has always been his strongest match-up, even when people were (still) saying PvZ was toss-favoured.
He hates PvP and doesn't have to play it, which should put him in a better mental state...especially when knowing he can start with PvT.
He is the remaining protoss I expect the most of.
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Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL.
Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation
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On August 10 2011 17:14 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:
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Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him. what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4. you're just mad.
I think people forgot HongUn and anypro were the very first protoss hopes. then they just became another Protoss. HongUn though solid toss, nothing flashy or anything but stilll gives games.
HongUn was the first to really blink like a boss and the first carrier in the GSL woot woot. :D
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On August 10 2011 17:14 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:
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Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him. what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4. you're just mad.
Its part of the protoss hate-campaign. You need to call out all the protoss players for being bad/dumb, or it will make it look like there might be some balance problems when protoss gets raped in every matchup.
the worst thing is that part of the slander might actually be justified.
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On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation
Super good question, Jinro, plz, please answer.
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On August 10 2011 17:17 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:14 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:
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Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one.
He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him. what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4. you're just mad. Its part of the protoss hate-campaign. You need to call out all the protoss players for being bad/dumb, or it will make it look like there might be some balance problems when protoss gets raped in every matchup. the worst thing is that part of the slander might actually be justified.
That build from MC in the first game really had me scratching my head. Hallucinate against a player with a Raven? He even saw the Raven pop out with his observer.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation
I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/
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On August 10 2011 17:15 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:11 namste wrote:On August 10 2011 17:10 sleepingdog wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:56 sleepingdog wrote:Wow...coming to work, eating breakfast, expecting to read at least about one single victory....day = ruined, I'm depressed now Dont give up you still have Huk to root for! =D Well, he is playing next week...so...day still ruined. Only Alicia going 2-0 vs two 1-1-1- all-ins would cheer me up Don't think Alicia is going to make it out of the group, he's been in decline for a while now. Losing early on in about every tournament. To be fair, his PvT has always been his strongest match-up, even when people were (still) saying PvZ was toss-favoured. He hates PvP and doesn't have to play it, which should put him in a better mental state...especially when knowing he can start with PvT. He is the remaining protoss I expect the most of.
And he'll probably die to the 1-1-1 anyway a since yesterday he was begging David Kim to patch it.
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Edit: posting from phone ugh got messed up.
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On August 10 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:17 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:14 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:
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He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him. what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4. you're just mad. Its part of the protoss hate-campaign. You need to call out all the protoss players for being bad/dumb, or it will make it look like there might be some balance problems when protoss gets raped in every matchup. the worst thing is that part of the slander might actually be justified. That build from MC in the first game really had me scratching my head. Hallucinate against a player with a Raven? He even saw the Raven pop out with his observer.
Does the a+move AI automatically stop bugging out of the attacking units when hallucination is detected or are the hallucinations still taking some shots? cause that might've been part of the thinking
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Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8)
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On August 10 2011 17:15 jinixxx123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4. seeing MMA manhandle nestea on zergpolis yesterday so bad with the current state of TvZ and also showing such an impressive TVT i think MMA has this one in the bag, If not mma then definately MVP is going to win this gsl. Both of them are simply not humans, they are machines. Ppl will sight it as terran being imba, but thats a load of bullshit. Playing T is incredibly hard right now. Anyway, to be on topic, truely a sad day for sweden esports, they looked terrible out their tonight, i think thorzain was the only one a who managed to take a single game, everything else was EZ 2-0 victories for koreans. You guys truely need to step it up, its not about mass practicing but quality practice with reasons why you lost a particular game.
No player is so good that you can just say he has a GSL in the bag. That's basically what a bonjwa is. Nestea is the closest to that, but I wouldn't think he's going to automatically win this, especially considering that he might lose in the next round to MVP.
MMA won a game of Nestea, great for him. But the next time they meet up, Nestea will have time to prepare specifically for MMA. MMA's success so far has been at MLG and in team leagues, where you have game after game, rather than having prepared for a specific opponent.
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