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On August 10 2011 16:55 Zzoram wrote:
At this point the it's looking like we will never ever see a foreign GSL champion. The more time that passes, the larger the Korean lead on the rest of the world grows.
We had two TOP4 in GSL, i doubt anyone expected that to ever happen due to Korean superiority in SC BW, but Jinro caught right moment, and pushed his maximum for imo great result, and result prolly no one will soon repeat, with all respect to foreign players fighting atm.
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On August 10 2011 16:52 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"  might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments. IPL excluded Koreans giving Idra the opportunity to win something again. However, the future of IPL will include Koreans, so there will be no refuge left for foreigners. They'll need to step up or continue to be free wins for Koreans.
IdrA can still play in the Go4SC2 cup and ZOTAC. Not sure about the latter, but I'm pretty sure there are no Koreans playing in the former. Or any EU tourneys, because lag between KR-EU is pretty bad, but US-EU is ok. So there's still an avenue for him to win something.
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On August 10 2011 17:01 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:00 chatuka wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 PlosionCornu wrote:On August 10 2011 16:41 s3183529 wrote:
Lol. All Toss died? Code S does not seem promising either...Hope Huk or Alicia can create miracles! Seriously now, what's up with protoss. They are literarly dropping like flies. Even in bw goddammit. i don't know man. Blizzard will revamp Protoss in next patch in SC2. the software engineers are watching every GSL and MLG carefully. And then they'll shock everyone by...Nerfing them again! (I wouldn't be shocked lol)
Should just remove them so we wouldn't have people crying about them, imo :s
Kidding ofc.
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The maps being so macro oriented have favored Zerg quite a lot. This is in contrast to early in the game when maps were small and cramped, which is likely why Zerg was so bad back then.
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On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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Are you seriously retarded?
IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea
My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B
I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;
IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that.
They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, haven't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously.
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On August 10 2011 17:00 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:59 sickoota wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 JayJay_90 wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best. Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk. doesn't change the fact that right now he's probably worse than nani, thorzain and sase. ...ya even though he finished above naniwa/huk/thorzain at columbus and was 1-2 spots behind them this past MLG. Sure bro. and Sase? He's a good EU player but at this point that's it. Idra has losing records vs all four of the players who played today... SaSe demolished him at DH, Nani beat him at MLG... and has beaten huk more often than not and beat jinro the last time they played. Point? Maybe, just maybe you can't just use the transitive property as if it's the word of god?
My point? That he has losing records RECENTLY vs everyone you are claiming he is better than? What more proof do you need?
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All i can say , it's not the end of the world. We can't/shouldn't expect miralces all the time but i still have faith , you are our "great white hopes". I hope we will give us the people like this game even if some are + Show Spoiler + a reason to be happy in the future. Use the defeats to become stronger and practice more. I BELIVE.
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Damn only ThorZain winning a game
Expected more tbh
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its confuses me how some people feel the need to point out the most strikingly obvious things. everyone who watched the stream knows the result, you dont need to confirm it by typing it to us. Like "Foreigners got owned." Why do you write that and nothing more and then hit the send button? its fucking pointless.
this goes for pretty much everything in these threads. 25 people dont have to point out that player X defeated Y. We watched the stream, we know what happened. Dont you have anything interesting to say? Then why even bother to speak?
Its like when people on the streets make comments to each others about the weather.
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On August 10 2011 17:00 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:59 sickoota wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 JayJay_90 wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best. Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk. doesn't change the fact that right now he's probably worse than nani, thorzain and sase. ...ya even though he finished above naniwa/huk/thorzain at columbus and was 1-2 spots behind them this past MLG. Sure bro. and Sase? He's a good EU player but at this point that's it. Idra has losing records vs all four of the players who played today... SaSe demolished him at DH, Nani beat him at MLG... and has beaten huk more often than not and beat jinro the last time they played. Point? Maybe, just maybe you can't just use the transitive property as if it's the word of god?
You use the transitive property then proceed to tell other people they can't. Let me reiterate: logic, your cup of tea it is not.
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I hope that Naniwa gets to practice with Koreans in person too, and not just on the ladder.
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On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
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He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously.
I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively well in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. You're all so fickle and change your minds so easily, I wouldnt be surprised if Naniwa was doing better than huk in code S sometime this year. Losing a bo3 to a korean isnt some sign of the apocalypse. It's just that being a great player doesnt mean you cant lose badly to someone less well known.
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On August 10 2011 16:50 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:48 JayJay_90 wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best. Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk. doesn't change the fact that right now he's probably worse than nani, thorzain and sase. ...ya even though he finished above naniwa/huk/thorzain at columbus and was 1-2 spots behind them this past MLG. Sure bro. and Sase? He's a good EU player but at this point that's it.
columbus is quite a few weeks ago, but anyways... he didn't have to play the open bracket like tzain did, still lost 2:0 vs tzain in pool play. idra still did very well in the groupstage, but in the championship bracket he only won vs. slush, which isn't too impressive. the only reason he placed above nani and tzain is cause he met a korean later in the bracket. they both lost to MC, who then went to roflstomp idra aswell. apart from mlg i haven't really seen idra doing well anywhere, but maybe i'm missing something.
don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to hate on idra (i actually like the guy) nor do i think he's a bad player. but it's not like he would've done any better in code a then the foreigners that played today (well maybe because he's zerg, which is a slight advantage with the current metagame i guess).
about sase: he's had enough tournament results to show, that he can beat any foreigner out there.
idra rule all the way
e: also this:
On August 10 2011 16:59 sickoota wrote:
Idra has losing records vs all four of the players who played today... SaSe demolished him at DH, Nani beat him at MLG...
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awwwww crap what a deception, me sad puppy now
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On August 10 2011 17:03 quiet noise wrote:
its confuses me how some people feel the need to point out the most strikingly obvious things. everyone who watched the stream knows the result, you dont need to confirm it by typing it to us. this goes for pretty much everything in these threads. 25 people dont have to point out that player X defeated Y. We watched the stream, we know what happened. Dont you have anything interesting to say? Then why even bother to speak?
Its like when people on the streets make comments to each others about the weather.
this a LR thread. there are some people who arent home/cant watch the stream - and still want to be in the know
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On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:
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So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses.
He's not any better than the four players who played today.
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On August 10 2011 17:02 Zzoram wrote:
The maps being so macro oriented have favored Zerg quite a lot. This is in contrast to early in the game when maps were small and cramped, which is likely why Zerg was so bad back then.
I still feel like Protosses should really take an advantage of their pylons and the ability to warp units everywhere on the map. Multiprong Zealot attacks against zergs will heavily test their multitasking abilities, like in the Sage vs Sirius on Tal'darim altar in GSTL. Zealot is a really cost effective unit, that you can easily warp all around places. There is no reason to be locked up in your base until you've mustered enough units to move out.
Just yesterday saw some chinese player cover the whole map with pylons to gain vision and places to warp zealots/stalker, absolutely demolished his opponent.
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Well this thread was basically hype over foreigners, sadness over Jinro losing, lots of hype when Thorzain wins a single game, then all hopes crushed forever after that :|
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Indeed. Thanks to the guys who do the LR so I can sleep AND get the results 
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On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
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He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, haven't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously.
No guys, don't you get it? Idra's the best player in the world, was cheated by Zerg UPness back then but will come back and win GSL. He's the best player in the world cause he said so and I love him cause it's funny when he's a dick to Cruncher for no reason so he's awesome and must be right.
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