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On August 10 2011 16:44 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:41 Empirimancer wrote:
Great, no foreigner is ever going to do well in Code A. Even if Naniwa stays in Korea to train and becomes good enough to compete, simply by living and training in Korea he'll magically become a Korean, just like Huk. It's hopeless!
stop being so pessimistic about foreigners. there are like 6.55 billion people on the planet. there are 50 million Koreans. the,y, foreigners, Will catch up. that is a guarantee. It's all about dedication. there is no reason to believe that Japanese, Chinese, Americans, Or Europeans are inferior to Koreans in SC2 on pure ability. I mean look who made South korea to the country it is today. USA man.
LOL so much gold in this post.
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On August 10 2011 16:51 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel you all are taking the foreigner vs korea thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. That's what MLG is for Koreans and they have also experienced some jetlagg at MLG 
The big difference is that in GSL a player prepares for one series only.
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On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best. Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk.
Is this seriously a counter argument? You make two huge logical fallacies. One, you assume I believe Huk will do well. Two, well, lets put it this way, using equal logic, I can say idra has a losing record vs Lotze, who no one even knows because he's basically out of the tournament scene for good. See what I did there?
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Wonder how Idra would fare if he popped back in one day
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On August 10 2011 16:51 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel you all are taking the foreigner vs korea thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. That's what MLG is for Koreans and they have also experienced some jetlagg at MLG
While there's some truth to that, MLG not being single elimination but pool play makes a huge difference, both mentally and in the way things actually play out.
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On August 10 2011 16:52 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"  might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments. IPL excluded Koreans giving Idra the opportunity to win something again. However, the future of IPL will include Koreans, so there will be no refuge left for foreigners. They'll need to step up or continue to be free wins for Koreans.
that's a great point. foreigner HAVE to step it up. More tournaments will include Koreans, and they will take all the big prize money from foreigners, unless they step up.
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On August 10 2011 16:48 Pyskee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:35 Archerylady wrote:best foreigners worse than code a scrubs.  the foreign scene will be dead in a year at this rate. it's impossible for the foreigners to get as good as the koreans, and how can the scene survive with koreans taking top 3 at every foreign event and stealing the money? lol. And who's fault is that? The Koreans train for 10 hours a day by playing customs with each other. Most foreigners do some laddering for an hour or two. There's nothing necessarily wrong with laddering to practice every once in a while, but just like with any other sport, you need other people who you know pushing you along. You need coaches and you need someone to make you practice for hours on end until you get it right. The Koreans have that; foreigners don't... yet.
Don't talk bullock here man, foreigners don't train 2 hours a day not those that we just seen, specialy to SaSe this is like a slap in the face, have you seen how much ladder game this kid does ?
All of these have a great training ethic, it's not about the hours it's about the quality they get in those hours of training, that is the reason to go to korea, play with the best to learn from the best.
These guys have just started give them some time and see how good they get, nothing to learn from Europe anymore, you could play 24h a day there and never reach korean level.
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my hopes are dashed against the dashboard
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On August 10 2011 16:54 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:53 Koshi wrote:On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. Problem is, when Koreans come to America with the same conditions they play +10 Bo3 and dominate them all even from the open bracket (July Rain GanZi) . Except when MC loses to + Show Spoiler + it's horrible jetlag 
Well, MC actually redeemed himself and 4-0'd the day after he was rested... so sounds reasonable to me in that context?
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On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
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Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never.
Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time.
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On August 10 2011 16:51 udgnim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:48 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 10 2011 16:39 King of Kings wrote:
GSL need some good foreigners if they wan't to get a bigger fanbase in EU/NA. Won't be a great promotion for GSL at BlizzCon if the upcoming Season has no foreigners left. That was expected even at this time last year. For company long term objective, Gom shouldn't focus too much on foreigners as they did, they should really develop their Korean fan base. As a local sports, 90% of players are Koreans, but foreigner fanbase is even larger than local fanbase, not much Koreans actually watch GSL, that is not a good sign for Gom. Korean VOD numbers on gomtv.com are consistently than foreigner VOD numbers on gomtv.net people need to stop assuming that the foreigner audience for GSL is larger than the Korean audience just because Brood War is still the RTS to watch in Korea while SC2 is the RTS to watch outside of Korea
Korean vods are free, I guess that's the reason.
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On August 10 2011 16:54 akari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best. Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk. Is this seriously a counter argument? You make two huge logical fallacies. One, you assume I believe Huk will do well. Two, well, lets put it this way, using equal logic, I can say idra has a losing record vs Lotze, who no one even knows because he's basically out of the tournament scene for good. See what I did there?
We're talking about foreigners in the GSL? Thanks for coming out of left field. The point was we're talking about the relative quality of them and not other players.
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At this point the it's looking like we will never ever see a foreign GSL champion. The more time that passes, the larger the Korean lead on the rest of the world grows.
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On August 10 2011 16:53 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. What about MLG then? 5 or 6 Koreans vs maybe hundreds foreigners at foreigners' turf. And they are not even the best Koreans.
Well.. 2-time GSL winner .. GSL finalist in finals together but your right there but I dont think saying for example ThorZain winning a game, then losing the other 2 for his set then hes suddenly "superior foreigner who lost to code a scrubs" referring back to a post I saw early.. thats such little data to make that assumption.
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On August 10 2011 16:07 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:02 hsynneva wrote:On August 10 2011 16:00 Joseph123 wrote:On August 10 2011 15:59 Elem wrote:On August 10 2011 15:57 zz_ wrote:On August 10 2011 15:56 Elem wrote:On August 10 2011 15:56 cHicKeLoR wrote:
oh.. sniper seems to be pretty good. Sure, but SaSe is just a midtier foreigner. Don't forget that. In what reality? He's a top level protoss, probably third best in europe after Mana and Naniwa... Socke and White-Ra are better. I'd say he's on par with Nightend. are you fuckin joking ? why are you insulting sase? sase is the 2nd best eu toss after naniwa 2nd best toss? that is a joke yes? actually, SaSe was like, first in the Euro ladder for a long time.. ps. creating an account to troll isnt accepted around here, btw.
Maybe first on ladder but not first on tournaments.
ps. this account is 1 year older than yours, and if there is a troll here, obvously its you.
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On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency
crazy foo
This is by far most ........ (inser whatever word you want) post i have read here in a loooong time.
And the sad part is, im 99% sure it's not trolling and that it was serious.
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Wow...coming to work, eating breakfast, expecting to read at least about one single victory....day = ruined, I'm depressed now
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On August 10 2011 16:55 Zzoram wrote:
At this point the it's looking like we will never ever see a foreign GSL champion. The more time that passes, the larger the Korean lead on the rest of the world grows.
I don't think anyone ever expected a foreigner GSL champion.
Koreans are just way better.
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Poor showing of foreigners, except Thorzain who might be able to catch up in korea, i don't see the other succeed.
Sad to see Jinro who was above Huk's level fall down to code B, no jet lag excuse please .. .
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Naniwa, the best Protoss living outside Korea, gets totally roflstomped by a low-tier Korean, what is this??
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EPT
