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storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
August 10 2011 07:48 GMT
#5841
GSL the first couple seasons were much easier than they are now.Idra wouldn't even make it into code A imo
RykuX
Profile Joined March 2011
1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 07:50:15
August 10 2011 07:49 GMT
#5842
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 10 2011 07:49 GMT
#5843
I think GSL might've went overboard on the Zerg favored maps, a knee jerk reaction to back when Zerg was losing a lot and people were whining. Naniwa and SaSe obviously didn't have solutions to these maps, though, and it showed by the way they played. Naniwa, I feel, especially underperformed as he made some glaring mistakes, though a lot of it was baited by Check.
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
August 10 2011 07:49 GMT
#5844
While this does make it hard to argue for the foreigners I admit, people have to stop dismissing these code A players as nameless walkovers. This isn't season 2. The game is a lot more figured out and you don't get here without solid mechanics and great game sense. The Bitbybits have been mostly recycled out and replaced by good players. Do people really want to say "the 40th best Starcraft 2 Korean player is a scrub."?

What happened tonight is a group of very good players lost to great players. And some of these players will turn out in two months to be incredible players that have good showings in Code S. No one who played tonight is bad. And while I know some idiot is gonna respond with "lol k make excuses," but did anybody feel like any of those guys played to their potential. No, we wouldn't have 8-0ed the Koreans, but if we saw the best of them we probably would've seen one or two advance and the rest go down 2-1
They're fools. You should eat them.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 10 2011 07:49 GMT
#5845
On August 10 2011 16:47 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:43 TheKefka wrote:
How does IdrA manage to sneak into every LR thread is beyond me.


Because Jinro, IdrA, and Huk are the only foreigners to do well in GSL

But people will still dis-credit their achievements saying the game was "herp derp easier" back then.


What about Sen, Loner, and TLO?

They got in but didn't really do well. Sen got 2-0d by Nestea before he could go anywhere. He probably would have made a deeper run if he had a better bracket
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eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
August 10 2011 07:49 GMT
#5846
Sad to see these results.

Those map draws where however completely unlucky against all Zergs. The GSL map pool is pretty skewed overall at this point. Not blaming it for the results but the stats are what they are. There is no excuse for crossfire to still be in a competitive map pool.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 10 2011 07:49 GMT
#5847
On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best.

Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk.

Past record doesn't mean ANYTHING when 5 months in sc2 is a fucking long ass time. Also your logic is completely stupid. You're saying because idra beat huk a long time ago that means idra can hang with the top players in GSL right now when it's obvious that huk is the better player currently. It'd be like me saying jinro 3-1'd idra in gsl season 4, but idra beat huk at MLG, so jinro should be code S caliber right now.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 07:50:28
August 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#5848
On August 10 2011 16:48 JayJay_90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best.

Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk.

doesn't change the fact that right now he's probably worse than nani, thorzain and sase.

...ya even though he finished above naniwa/huk/thorzain at columbus and was 1-2 spots behind them this past MLG. Sure bro. and Sase? He's a good EU player but at this point that's it.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
August 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#5849
On August 10 2011 16:26 PUre.nINE wrote:
To fix sound problem

Right click video -> Audio - > Voice Filter -> Emphasize Voice

There problem solved for now!

lol I was wondering what everyone was complaining about... I had that enabled beforehand.
Lior
Profile Joined September 2010
Portugal118 Posts
August 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#5850
On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh

And so Nani is our best foreigner?


It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"


might need idra to come back :D


Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now.


Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency

crazy foo

Are you seriously retarded?

IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea

My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B

I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;

IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way.

He qualified for the first seasons though


Yeah man, everyone knows the first seasons were the hardest, that's why Artosis qualified for S1 too.

Wait a second...
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
August 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#5851
On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:
[quote]

It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"


might need idra to come back :D


Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now.


Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency

crazy foo

Are you seriously retarded?

IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea

My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B

I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;

IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way.

He qualified for the first seasons though

So did artosis and bitbybit.

Idra had been in every GSL since the first though.


omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible.

Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it.


Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one.
I will master Speshul Taktics.!
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
August 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#5852
On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh

And so Nani is our best foreigner?


It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"


might need idra to come back :D


Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now.


Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency

crazy foo

Are you seriously retarded?

IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea

My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B

I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;

IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way.

He qualified for the first seasons though


Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments.
HerO - iNcontroL - DeMusliM - TaeJa - JaeDong
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 07:51:58
August 10 2011 07:50 GMT
#5853
On August 10 2011 16:49 Azarkon wrote:
I think GSL might've went overboard on the Zerg favored maps.

All the maps were sooo zerg biased. It was really annoying to watch. Lol @ Jinro spitting the truth on random IdrA fanboys. I highly doubt IdrA would qualifty for Code A these days.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5854
On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best.

Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk.
That's not a very good argument. (not saying Idra can't go back to GSL and do well, I think he could - anyone could - if he puts his mind hard into it and spends the time) You know, he could even be the best Nestea-sniper in the world, but still lose horribly in a full Korean league. It's not about beating dat one guy.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5855
I think these foreigners also need to watch more VOD's of top Koreans. You can learn alot by just using your eyes. that is also part of the 'traitning period that foreigners must come to grips with'

As well, training isn't a 1 week or one month session. To become great at anything, you have to put in years of practice. SC2 is young, but these Koreans already have 1 full year of exp in Korea. Sase and others need to catch-up by spending months in Korea. Do it the samurai/ninja way.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5856
On August 10 2011 16:48 Pyskee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:35 Archerylady wrote:
best foreigners worse than code a scrubs.

the foreign scene will be dead in a year at this rate. it's impossible for the foreigners to get as good as the koreans, and how can the scene survive with koreans taking top 3 at every foreign event and stealing the money? lol.

And who's fault is that? The Koreans train for 10 hours a day by playing customs with each other. Most foreigners do some laddering for an hour or two. There's nothing necessarily wrong with laddering to practice every once in a while, but just like with any other sport, you need other people who you know pushing you along. You need coaches and you need someone to make you practice for hours on end until you get it right.

The Koreans have that; foreigners don't... yet.

HuK does most of his 'practice' on the Korean ladder if I recall correctly. He's still playing against top GSL players there though, and he practices a shit ton as well. If foreigners had a ladder as skilled as the Korean one it'd make a big difference.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5857
On August 10 2011 16:45 SEANSYE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2011 16:44 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:44 Blitz Beat wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:43 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:
On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh

And so Nani is our best foreigner?


It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"


might need idra to come back :D


Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now.


Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency

crazy foo

Are you seriously retarded?

IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea

My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B

I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;

IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way.

QFT hahahaha
IdrA's rule in full effect on this thread! 10 posts until we debate best foreigner zerg


DESTINY!!!

destiny rule in effect.

nah destiny's rule is for reddit. on TL we have idra's rule



Please, neither. NesTea rule plz

There is only the IdrA rule. If Nestea loses 1 game against MMA, there are 15 pages about how he is a scrub and completely overrated. Didn't read anything about imbalance/maps/luck, oh wait, when he won vs Happy I read 10 pages about lucky banelings.
I had a good night of sleep.
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5858
Well, I'll admit, ZvP looks Z favored right now. What happened to going collosi on two bases? Is that old school standard as bad as everyone must think it is (as no one does it anymore)
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
Chrian
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1472 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5859
On August 10 2011 16:48 SoSexy wrote:
500 apm is an exaggeration...


No it really isn't, Puzzle was microing at like, 550 peak APM against Sheth in last season's code A match.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
August 10 2011 07:51 GMT
#5860
On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel you all are taking the foreigner vs korea thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well.

That's what MLG is for Koreans and they have also experienced some jetlagg at MLG
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
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