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On August 10 2011 16:48 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:39 King of Kings wrote:
GSL need some good foreigners if they wan't to get a bigger fanbase in EU/NA. Won't be a great promotion for GSL at BlizzCon if the upcoming Season has no foreigners left. That was expected even at this time last year. For company long term objective, Gom shouldn't focus too much on foreigners as they did, they should really develop their Korean fan base. As a local sports, 90% of players are Koreans, but foreigner fanbase is even larger than local fanbase, not much Koreans actually watch GSL, that is not a good sign for Gom.
Korean VOD numbers on gomtv.com are consistently than foreigner VOD numbers on gomtv.net
people need to stop assuming that the foreigner audience for GSL is larger than the Korean audience just because Brood War is still the RTS to watch in Korea while SC2 is the RTS to watch outside of Korea
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Sad to see that none of them made it through, though I'm sure they'll take away a lot from the games.
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On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"  might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though
Artosis and some pretty shitty players qualified the first seasons, and players like DRG, Puzzle, Bomber, and Sage did not.
Just saying..
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On August 10 2011 16:45 tripper688 wrote:
Eh? What's wrong with watching good starcraft?
Well, there's more elements to enjoying sports events than just the level of play on display. It's important, no doubt, but there's much more to sports than just that. Stakes, personal stakes, hometown heroes, national (or continental) pride and representation are huge parts of basically every spectator sport out there. It's like that for every sport I watch, and Starcraft (even though it's an e-sport) is no different.
I'll definitely watch the finals when the stakes are high, but I actually can't see me watching too many Code A matches this season (especially with Moletrap being a caster again).
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On August 10 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 10 2011 16:41 Yang Wenli wrote:On August 10 2011 16:39 King of Kings wrote:
GSL need some good foreigners if they wan't to get a bigger fanbase in EU/NA. Won't be a great promotion for GSL at BlizzCon if the upcoming Season has no foreigners left. Arguably those were the "good" foreigners if not the best we had based on achievements, rankings, and geographical scene. Honestly there's still a lot of good talent to take from Europe, wish I could say the same about America. Its funny you say that as more players from NA have won GSL games than ones from Europe
I dont see how thats true. Jinro cancels out (and then some) idra. TLO made it to the ro32 twice I believe, Dimaga beat Nestea during the World Championship thing.
Artosis made it out to ro32 once (or not at all I dont remember), same with torch. Huk made it to ro8 in code A and out of group stages of code S once (or was it twice)
EDIT: And TT1 beat Moonglade
EDIT 2: Sheth beat San
Edit 3: Ret also made it through one round of gsl3
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Koreans are Gods of Starcraft even Naniwa can't defeat CheckPrime. Foreigners need to practice more and adapt to the korean style.
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On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
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might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one.
He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never.
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On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there" might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments.
IPL excluded Koreans giving Idra the opportunity to win something again. However, the future of IPL will include Koreans, so there will be no refuge left for foreigners. They'll need to step up or continue to be free wins for Koreans.
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On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:
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might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one.
Results don't even matter man. I see Jinro play and even though it's code A it's horrible compared to other code As like Boxer... I don't see Jinro going back to Code A again sadly
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On August 10 2011 16:51 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel you all are taking the foreigner vs korea thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. That's what MLG is for Koreans and they have also experienced some jetlagg at MLG 
True I also feel the koreans that went to MLG were a lot higher level to but you have a point.
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On August 10 2011 16:50 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there" might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Yeah man, everyone knows the first seasons were the hardest, that's why Artosis qualified for S1 too. Wait a second...
I didnt mean to start a flame / hate war.
I just said, IdrA and Jinro have been the most consistent - thats not a false statement on any level.
Obviously I haven't been writing down every stat, so I didn't mean to make lesser of Jinro's GSL achievement, i apologize for that i wasn't thinking thoroughly enough.
but damn TL... all i said was that IdrA and Jinro have been the consistent. don't need to get into this. HuK fast becoming another... I really want Ret though, guy seems to be beasting it atm.
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On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well.
What about MLG then? 5 or 6 Koreans vs maybe hundreds foreigners at foreigners' turf. And they are not even the best Koreans.
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Haha, the last couple of pages are funny. The things a fanboy will say... it's absurd.
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LOL What strange animal fans are. 
Again manage to sneak the only zerg who still can't manage to exploit his race and have never won a tournament.
And compare him to Jinro - the best foreigner by results so far.. :D
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wow all of the foreigners got owned .non korea needs more hard work and dedication. FIGHTING
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On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well.
Problem is, when Koreans come to America with the same conditions they play +10 Bo3 and dominate them all even from the open bracket (July Rain GanZi) .
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So only 2 protoss in the ro16, 1 got there through a PvP the other by beating a foreign terran...
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On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:45 Zzoram wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there" might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Idra qualified for the easiest seasons. Jinro was in GSL in the later stages, when it got harder. Idra left because he knew it was too hard for him and decided to grab easy foreigner money instead. Then the Koreans came, and now Idra only has IPL for making money. Idra qualified for GSL1, GSL2, GSL3, and was in code S before he left lmao. We don't know how well idra would have done in korea since he left though.
So was CheckPrime(and many other players who are mostly considered "bad" players now but have still maintained Code S eg; Hongun ) -.- Now he's considered one of the hanger-on's that just manages to scrape through every season
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On August 10 2011 16:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. Problem is, when Koreans come to America with the same conditions they play +10 Bo3 and dominate them all even from the open bracket (July Rain GanZi) .
Except when MC loses to + Show Spoiler + it's horrible jetlag
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