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On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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Are you seriously retarded?
IdrAs GSL results:
Top 32
Top 16
Top 8
Leaves Korea
My GSL results:
Top 4
Top 4
Top 16
Top 32
Code A
Code A
Code B
I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --;
IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that.
Perspective. He made it to RO16 in the first GSL where the competition was farse. Lets praise Artosis for making it to RO64 and remember it forever.
Yea we are pretty critical. Sure some people praise them(mostly their own fans), but in reality, and especially 5-10+ years from now, most people won't give a crap.
I mean, do I give a shit for the years that my Raiders make it to the playoffs. No...You gotta win it all.
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On August 10 2011 16:50 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:44 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"  might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo Are you seriously retarded? IdrAs GSL results: Top 32 Top 16 Top 8 Leaves Korea My GSL results: Top 4 Top 4 Top 16 Top 32 Code A Code A Code B I dunno how the hell you can say IdrAs results in GSL are anywhere close to mine, especially when I beat him in GSL 4-1 --; IdrAs is most definitely better than me now but his GSL results are not, no fucking way. He qualified for the first seasons though Shouldnt the IdrA hype be over soon? the only thing he's done well in since god knows when is the IPL, and we all know that the quality of players in there is not anywhere near most other big tournaments.
IdrA doesnt deserve too much hype, but he doesnt deserve too much hate either - he has had very solid showings at the MLGs even though he didnt win... He just has those stupid games where he kills himself or "very solid" might have been "very impressive".
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On August 10 2011 16:57 hugman wrote:
Naniwa, the best Protoss living outside Korea, gets totally roflstomped by a low-tier Korean, what is this??
Naniwa's play was super sloppy today, totally not on par what he's capable of really.
I have to say, isn't GSL a bit too unforgiving? I would love to see some sort of double elim added in. It's BS that a single best of 3 determine if you're sent back to Code B or advance, espeically considering how brutal code B is.
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On August 10 2011 17:03 quiet noise wrote:
its confuses me how some people feel the need to point out the most strikingly obvious things. everyone who watched the stream knows the result, you dont need to confirm it by typing it to us. Like "Foreigners got owned." Why do you write that and nothing more and then hit the send button? its fucking pointless.
this goes for pretty much everything in these threads. 25 people dont have to point out that player X defeated Y. We watched the stream, we know what happened. Dont you have anything interesting to say? Then why even bother to speak?
Its like when people on the streets make comments to each others about the weather.
have you ever had access to the internet during a tournament but weren't allowed or unable to watch?
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On August 10 2011 17:04 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:03 quiet noise wrote:
its confuses me how some people feel the need to point out the most strikingly obvious things. everyone who watched the stream knows the result, you dont need to confirm it by typing it to us. this goes for pretty much everything in these threads. 25 people dont have to point out that player X defeated Y. We watched the stream, we know what happened. Dont you have anything interesting to say? Then why even bother to speak?
Its like when people on the streets make comments to each others about the weather. this a LR thread. there are some people who arent home/cant watch the stream - and still want to be in the know
Well, good point i guess. but people are still making making these posts when there is already 10-15 pages filled with people already stating that same thing over and over with 0 thoughts added.
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On August 10 2011 17:00 RykuX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:58 ShootingStars wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 namste wrote:
People people, stop making excuses. Koreans are simply better, white dudes need to practice way more. Simple as that. No they don't they need quality practice not MORE practice >_> Indeed quality over quantity ! that's the whole purpose of coming here must become the best of the best ! I look forward to watching our foreigners play in GSTL they will become even more foreign boss's then they are now :D
cheers to that.
I've seen Youtube of the European house tours. the kids were so relaxed you know like western style culture. then I saw house tours of IM, Slayers, NeoSEO, Zenez, MVP, Star-tales. these Korean kids were never joking around or having fun. they were all playing it like a job. Like they had to prove something to somebody.
I think that with more money that is put into e-sports, the level of fierceness and seriousness of pro-gamers will go to another level. Some Foreigners are realizing that they need dedicate themselves to e-sports, because eports is a future gold-mine, mega sport in the making. these pro-gamers are also pioneers or trail-blazers for future kids that want to be great at pro gaming. that is only a good thing when lots of money is involved. And there will be heroes from countries that kids can emulate. the money is probably will be the biggest factor in drawing talent.
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On August 10 2011 17:04 JayJay_90 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:50 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 JayJay_90 wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 akari wrote:
People who think idra would do well are delusional at best. Yeah, not like he's got a winning record against the only foreigner left in code S or anything. You could make the same argument against huk. doesn't change the fact that right now he's probably worse than nani, thorzain and sase. ...ya even though he finished above naniwa/huk/thorzain at columbus and was 1-2 spots behind them this past MLG. Sure bro. and Sase? He's a good EU player but at this point that's it. columbus is quite a few weeks ago, but anyways... he didn't have to play the open bracket like tzain did, still lost 2:0 vs tzain in pool play. idra still did very well in the groupstage, but in the championship bracket he only won vs. slush, which isn't too impressive. the only reason he placed above nani and tzain is cause he met a korean later in the bracket. they both lost to MC, who then went to roflstomp idra aswell. apart from mlg i haven't really seen idra doing well anywhere, but maybe i'm missing something. don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to hate on idra (i actually like the guy) nor do i think he's a bad player. but it's not like he would've done any better in code a then the foreigners that played today (well maybe because he's zerg, which is a slight advantage with the current metagame i guess). about sase: he's had enough tournament results to show, that he can beat any foreigner out there. idra rule all the way
You play who you play, you want idra to fix the brackets so he plays all Koreans or something? We're talking about results and then you try to rationalize finishing 4th not being good? I'm not saying he's god of the world, but to say finishing 4th at the MLG with MC, MMA, july, losira demonstrates a decent level of skill at least. People seem to think I'm acting like he'd dominate code S or something. He'd have as good a shot as almost any foreigner really short of sen (who imo is the best foreigner in the world easily).
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After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better.
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On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:On August 10 2011 16:44 zeru wrote:
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So did artosis and bitbybit. Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses.
What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now.
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On August 10 2011 16:39 King of Kings wrote:
GSL need some good foreigners if they wan't to get a bigger fanbase in EU/NA. Won't be a great promotion for GSL at BlizzCon if the upcoming Season has no foreigners left.
What do you want GOM to do? Rig the matches? Autoseed foreigners into Ro8 or code s? They can't control how foreigners practice and play. Only real answer is more foreigners need to move to Korea or at least play on KR servers to get the experience and practice in.
On August 10 2011 16:54 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:53 Koshi wrote:On August 10 2011 16:49 RykuX wrote:
To be fair.. it's a total of 5 foreigners in a all korean tournament on their home turf while experiencing jetlag to.. with just a bo3 each to test the waters I feel the people who talk about foreigner vs korea skill gap thing to far not enough games have been played by them as well. Problem is, when Koreans come to America with the same conditions they play +10 Bo3 and dominate them all even from the open bracket (July Rain GanZi) . Except when MC loses to + Show Spoiler + it's horrible jetlag 
And then MC gets a night of rest and rapes face...Let's blame tonight on jetlag if you saw anything that made you feel like foreigners would have been tearing up code A had they been playing tomorrow instead.
On August 10 2011 16:57 hugman wrote:
Naniwa, the best Protoss living outside Korea, gets totally roflstomped by a low-tier Korean, what is this??
He got roflstomped recently by Moon and Ret, how did you expect him to do against another Korean Z with equal or better credentials than them both?
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On August 10 2011 17:07 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:00 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 ShootingStars wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 namste wrote:
People people, stop making excuses. Koreans are simply better, white dudes need to practice way more. Simple as that. No they don't they need quality practice not MORE practice >_> Indeed quality over quantity ! that's the whole purpose of coming here must become the best of the best ! I look forward to watching our foreigners play in GSTL they will become even more foreign boss's then they are now :D cheers to that. I've seen Youtube of the European house tours. the kids were so relaxed you know like western style culture. then I saw house tours of IM, Slayers, NeoSEO, Zenez, MVP, Star-tales. these Korean kids were never joking around or having fun. they were all playing it like a job. Like they had to prove something to somebody. I think that with more money that is put into e-sports, the level of fierceness and seriousness of pro-gamers will go to another level. Some Foreigners are realizing that they need dedicate themselves to e-sports, because eports is a future gold-mine, mega sport in the making. these pro-gamers are also pioneers or trail-blazers for future kids that want to be great at pro gaming. that is only a good thing when lots of money is involved. And there will be heroes from countries that kids can emulate. the money is probably will be the biggest factor in drawing talent.
I'm pretty sure they still do have fun and joke around in Korea as well, it's just the mentality towards gaming is totally different.
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On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better.
You're kidding right?
Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick
MMA vs Polt should be great too
The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4.
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A guy named quiet noise, wanting less noise in a thread
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Can't believe people are even remotely surprised by this. Koreans practise harder and with better opponents. Until foreigners start practising properly they will never catch up. Obviously HuK is on that level now because he practises properly.
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On August 10 2011 17:07 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:03 quiet noise wrote:
its confuses me how some people feel the need to point out the most strikingly obvious things. everyone who watched the stream knows the result, you dont need to confirm it by typing it to us. Like "Foreigners got owned." Why do you write that and nothing more and then hit the send button? its fucking pointless.
this goes for pretty much everything in these threads. 25 people dont have to point out that player X defeated Y. We watched the stream, we know what happened. Dont you have anything interesting to say? Then why even bother to speak?
Its like when people on the streets make comments to each others about the weather. have you ever had access to the internet during a tournament but weren't allowed or unable to watch?
yep, and in those situations i sure as hell dont need 200 people stating one simple fact over and over, especially not when the OP is updated with the results. Its spam that fills up these threads and the people who write that kind of stuff on a regular basis should be treated more harshly than balance whiners and caster bashers. If you dont have anything constructive or interesting to say, you might aswell not talk.
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On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4.
also keep an eye out for Puzzle, i doubt he's gonna win. but he should put up a good fight
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On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 Yew wrote:
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Idra had been in every GSL since the first though. omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible. Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now.
Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him.
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On August 10 2011 16:57 RykuX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:56 sleepingdog wrote:Wow...coming to work, eating breakfast, expecting to read at least about one single victory....day = ruined, I'm depressed now Dont give up you still have Huk to root for! =D
Well, he is playing next week...so...day still ruined.
Only Alicia going 2-0 vs two 1-1-1- all-ins would cheer me up
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On August 10 2011 17:10 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4. also keep an eye out for Puzzle, i doubt he's gonna win. but he should put up a good fight
I think Puzzle can do pretty well. Definitely don't forget Bomber, and maybe Losira.
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On August 10 2011 17:10 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:57 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:56 sleepingdog wrote:Wow...coming to work, eating breakfast, expecting to read at least about one single victory....day = ruined, I'm depressed now Dont give up you still have Huk to root for! =D Well, he is playing next week...so...day still ruined. Only Alicia going 2-0 vs two 1-1-1- all-ins would cheer me up
Don't think Alicia is going to make it out of the group, he's been in decline for a while now. Losing early on in about every tournament.
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