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On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation  I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/
The PvZ metagame seems pretty awful at the moment... Dt and stargate openings seem so easy to deflect while taking 3 bases and then the only option of not falling really far behind is some sort of blink stalker timing attack.
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honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg
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On August 10 2011 17:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/ The PvZ metagame seems pretty awful at the moment... Dt and stargate openings seem so easy to deflect while taking 3 bases and then the only option of not falling really far behind is some sort of blink stalker timing attack.
It's just so funny how people seem to forget that there was a time when Zerg couldn't win over Protoss seemingly anyhow. Now the metagame has switched and people just need to figure stuff out again. Less crying, more thinking. Guess the Protoss masses need their own Nestea/Losira coming and showing how the match-up is dealt with.
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On August 10 2011 17:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/ The PvZ metagame seems pretty awful at the moment... Dt and stargate openings seem so easy to deflect while taking 3 bases and then the only option of not falling really far behind is some sort of blink stalker timing attack.
People are talking about PvZ a lot, but for me its been PvT and I thought even the statistics have shown that PvT has been much more of a problem . All I face is 1-1-1 on ladder and it has been really hard to stop. Might be just me though.
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On August 10 2011 17:20 Spicy Pepper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:15 jinixxx123 wrote:On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4. seeing MMA manhandle nestea on zergpolis yesterday so bad with the current state of TvZ and also showing such an impressive TVT i think MMA has this one in the bag, If not mma then definately MVP is going to win this gsl. Both of them are simply not humans, they are machines. Ppl will sight it as terran being imba, but thats a load of bullshit. Playing T is incredibly hard right now. Anyway, to be on topic, truely a sad day for sweden esports, they looked terrible out their tonight, i think thorzain was the only one a who managed to take a single game, everything else was EZ 2-0 victories for koreans. You guys truely need to step it up, its not about mass practicing but quality practice with reasons why you lost a particular game. No player is so good that you can just say he has a GSL in the bag. That's basically what a bonjwa is. Nestea is the closest to that, but I wouldn't think he's going to automatically win this, especially considering that he might lose in the next round to MVP. MMA won a game of Nestea, great for him. But the next time they meet up, Nestea will have time to prepare specifically for MMA. MMA's success so far has been at MLG and in team leagues, where you have game after game, rather than having prepared for a specific opponent.
in GSL you sort of have to hope that someone takes out another player that you don't want to play. Nestea didn't have to go through any of his "worst fears" the last GSL so he won pretty easily. Also, I think as long as Bomber doesn't have to play nestea he has a really good shot at this season.
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On August 10 2011 17:19 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:On August 10 2011 17:17 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:14 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:
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Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time.
How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him. what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4. you're just mad. Its part of the protoss hate-campaign. You need to call out all the protoss players for being bad/dumb, or it will make it look like there might be some balance problems when protoss gets raped in every matchup. the worst thing is that part of the slander might actually be justified. That build from MC in the first game really had me scratching my head. Hallucinate against a player with a Raven? He even saw the Raven pop out with his observer. Does the a+move AI automatically stop bugging out of the attacking units when hallucination is detected or are the hallucinations still taking some shots? cause that might've been part of the thinking
I don't think the hallucinations take any hits except for the initial tank volley since they rush in first and maybe the Raven isn't positioned properly, but otherwise they were useless :/. MVP played very greedy early, he really should have attempted to punish that.
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On August 10 2011 17:22 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/ The PvZ metagame seems pretty awful at the moment... Dt and stargate openings seem so easy to deflect while taking 3 bases and then the only option of not falling really far behind is some sort of blink stalker timing attack. It's just so funny how people seem to forget that there was a time when Zerg couldn't win over Protoss seemingly anyhow. Now the metagame has switched and people just need to figure stuff out again. Less crying, more thinking. Guess the Protoss masses need their own Nestea/Losira coming and showing how the match-up is dealt with.
Yeah, that's why I specifically stated metagame over just the matchup in general. It's really a lot about the openers right now in every matchup.
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On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol
sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg
At the pro level, everything is Terran favored at the moment.
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On August 10 2011 17:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:20 Spicy Pepper wrote:On August 10 2011 17:15 jinixxx123 wrote:On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4. seeing MMA manhandle nestea on zergpolis yesterday so bad with the current state of TvZ and also showing such an impressive TVT i think MMA has this one in the bag, If not mma then definately MVP is going to win this gsl. Both of them are simply not humans, they are machines. Ppl will sight it as terran being imba, but thats a load of bullshit. Playing T is incredibly hard right now. Anyway, to be on topic, truely a sad day for sweden esports, they looked terrible out their tonight, i think thorzain was the only one a who managed to take a single game, everything else was EZ 2-0 victories for koreans. You guys truely need to step it up, its not about mass practicing but quality practice with reasons why you lost a particular game. No player is so good that you can just say he has a GSL in the bag. That's basically what a bonjwa is. Nestea is the closest to that, but I wouldn't think he's going to automatically win this, especially considering that he might lose in the next round to MVP. MMA won a game of Nestea, great for him. But the next time they meet up, Nestea will have time to prepare specifically for MMA. MMA's success so far has been at MLG and in team leagues, where you have game after game, rather than having prepared for a specific opponent. in GSL you sort of have to hope that someone takes out another player that you don't want to play. Nestea didn't have to go through any of his "worst fears" the last GSL so he won pretty easily. Also, I think as long as Bomber doesn't have to play nestea he has a really good shot at this season.
Looking back to Bomber vs Byun, just feels that Bomber isn't ready to be a champion. It's quite amazing how you can play like the best player in the world in 2 games and then play like a diamond level player the next 3.
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On August 10 2011 17:13 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:07 chatuka wrote:On August 10 2011 17:00 RykuX wrote:On August 10 2011 16:58 ShootingStars wrote:On August 10 2011 16:57 namste wrote:
People people, stop making excuses. Koreans are simply better, white dudes need to practice way more. Simple as that. No they don't they need quality practice not MORE practice >_> Indeed quality over quantity ! that's the whole purpose of coming here must become the best of the best ! I look forward to watching our foreigners play in GSTL they will become even more foreign boss's then they are now :D cheers to that.
I've seen Youtube of the European house tours. the kids were so relaxed you know like western style culture. then I saw house tours of IM, Slayers, NeoSEO, Zenez, MVP, Star-tales. these Korean kids were never joking around or having fun. they were all playing it like a job. Like they had to prove something to somebody.
I think that with more money that is put into e-sports, the level of fierceness and seriousness of pro-gamers will go to another level. Some Foreigners are realizing that they need dedicate themselves to e-sports, because eports is a future gold-mine, mega sport in the making. these pro-gamers are also pioneers or trail-blazers for future kids that want to be great at pro gaming. that is only a good thing when lots of money is involved. And there will be heroes from countries that kids can emulate. the money is probably will be the biggest factor in drawing talent. Super false, they joke around and relax a lot - just not while practicing.
i stand corrected. sorry if I offended you with my observations.
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On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8)
They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably)
1. meta-game
2. sleep schedule, time zone change
3. MAPS
statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps.
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On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:55 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:52 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:50 SEANSYE wrote:On August 10 2011 16:48 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 16:46 SEANSYE wrote:
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omg seriously who cares what IdrA did. And the first 3 GSL were just absolute terrible.
Ok, wilt chamberlain and oscar robertson were terrible because they played in shitty eras compared to now. Your argument is meaningless because you can't compare time periods. It's like bitching about easy or hard brackets, you play who you play and deal with it. Yea, but he's making IdrA sound like some fucking Bonjwa for just participating in the GSL. Jinro had straight up better and consistent results( beating Idra head 2 head in GSL) and owning some of the best players at that time, e.g MC. What did IdrA do? Oh yea he participated in the first GSL. Good one. He didnt have to be seeded into code A and qualified his first time and played well. You can't really ask for much more. For people making the argument he had better results than jinro in the GSL? No, never. Oh btw, When I was talking about the first 3 GSL being horrible, by no means am I ever ganna take away Fruits or Nesteas GSL Wins. I'm talking about how shit most of the competition were and thats what IdrA went up against lol. And he didn't even accomplish anything during that time. How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him.
What's wrong with hongun? The guy has been able to stay in code S since January and has done more in GSL than IdrA or HuK and just as much as Jinro...I suppose since scrubs like Check, Sniper, Lucky, and YuGiOh play at the bottom of code A, foreigners should walk over them too right? Oh wait....
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On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps.
Actually they lost because they played worse than their korean opponents.
Pretty sure Jinro himself agrees, forgetting combat shields etc.
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On August 10 2011 17:23 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:19 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 17:18 LeaD wrote:On August 10 2011 17:17 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:14 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:10 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:04 Serpico wrote:On August 10 2011 17:02 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 16:59 Serpico wrote:
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How can you say he didnt accomplish anything? Are you people really so critical that you think if you dont win GSLs anything you do is meaningless? You wouldnt have a scene if people said fuck it because they couldnt win it all. Again, you can't compare time periods because they're inherently different. You can't compare athletes from 40 years ago to ones now and say "LOL those shitty players in the 19xxs are garbage their accomplishments mean nothing." You might as well kick everyone out of every hall of fame every 10 years to make way for the new era of players. We might as well say what jinro did and what huk is doing dont mean shit unless they win a GSL. It's ignorant to think that. They were good back THEN, but you can't use that as a god damn argument to say they're good now and can compete now. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the level of competition in the GSL is several leagues higher than it once was, and some code A players could probably seriously decimate the code S level players of back then. It's also obvious that some players, especially idra, hasn't improved much at all since then, but it's not just idra obviously. I'm using it to say they've shown results...and Idra is still good now, to say otherwise it just blind hate really. If idra hasnt improved why can he even finish relatively good in the last couple of MLGs? Just stop making excuses. What the hell makes you think he's good enough to even barely scrape the bottom of code S right now? good MLG results? He was behind like 6 players who weren't even in code A this last MLG. Naniwa had good MLG results AND good foreign results but until you actually start beating koreans consistently it's just better to assume you're not at that level yet. "Good foreign results" or "good results for a foreigner" means shit right now. Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him. what's with the hongun hate. he's managed to stay in code s every single season. round of 8, round of 4. you're just mad. Its part of the protoss hate-campaign. You need to call out all the protoss players for being bad/dumb, or it will make it look like there might be some balance problems when protoss gets raped in every matchup. the worst thing is that part of the slander might actually be justified. That build from MC in the first game really had me scratching my head. Hallucinate against a player with a Raven? He even saw the Raven pop out with his observer. Does the a+move AI automatically stop bugging out of the attacking units when hallucination is detected or are the hallucinations still taking some shots? cause that might've been part of the thinking I don't think the hallucinations take any hits except for the initial tank volley since they rush in first and maybe the Raven isn't positioned properly, but otherwise they were useless :/. MVP played very greedy early, he really should have attempted to punish that.
i also did not like his unit composition. when he scouted tanks/banshee/marine, i think he should have gone heavy gateway (+1 chargelots) and immortals
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Players like fucking hongun play at the bottom of code S. I'd take naniwa/huk/idra etc over him.
You talk shit about Hongun Results(Far superior results than IdrA), but you praise IdrA results. LOL
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On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg
how hard can it be? ask TLO
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On August 10 2011 17:24 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:21 roymarthyup wrote:
honestly jinro i think its about time for you to switch to zerg. i mean how hard can it be to learn this race. as a terran im getting sick of playing zerg on ladder and watching this i think im about to switch. nothing against zerg players but i guess if one believes there is imbalance, then its our duty to switch races if we think we have a better chance of winning
the level of play and multitask i saw in jinros play seemed like he was using alot more finesse and had more movement/apm/ability than his zerg opponent, but what are you gonna do when 1a-move lings and banes destroy your entire army (which costs more and still loses) that you somehow managed to get even though you are forced to spend 1000+ minerals in turrets while the zerg doesnt and the zerg gets to have more economy than you as a race mechanic to boot
seriously ive noticed something. if a zerg had 20 more apm he could easily split off about 4 groups of 4 zerglings each in front of his giant 1a ball before he a-moves and those 4 groups would absorb 4 tank shots for free saving the lives of like 30 lings / banes, thus preventing many early deaths and being able to win the battle more convincingly with less losses
but even small things like that to win battles better i dont see the top korean zergs doing, because they dont even have to. they just 1a giant blobs of lings and banes into tanks and they let half their blob die to the first few tank shots and still win the battle
imagine how much more the zergs would be winning if they actually used the above technique to save 30 extra lings per battle
meh just ranting. i know its bad to post balance things in a LR thread. hope i dont get banned lol
sorry for whining. ugh i hate zerg At the pro level, everything is Terran favored at the moment.
think twice about ur switch.. race switching becomes tough when u've hit up a game on ladder and realised "omg mirror matchup fuuuuuuuuuuu" 
only reason why i dont want to try other races. I've been able to TvP and ZvP cause i know what the toss is doing on the other end, but come mirror matchups .. whole different ball game :p
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On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/
Well, it should look like that given the fact that the Protoss deadball is unbeatable for zerg. But it seems like P can't get there anymore and get slaughtered late midgame. But it isn't supposed to be that P is on equal foot with Z through the game, due to the P 200 deadball.
I would like to remind everybody that Z struggled for more than 3 months against P. Maps like Jungle Basin, DQ, Close Positions meta, Lost Temple and the easy FFE 3 base shakuras were a big factor in that domination of course.
But Protoss told us to fuck off. Multiple times. Everywhere.
It will change back around. Z and P will be screwed at turns. T just laughs and wins tournaments.
But don't forget about that joke based on truth from some months ago.
+ Show Spoiler +2 Protoss players walk in a bar and sit down. They are playing a final.
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