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stellar performance from the foreigners ^^;
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On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps.
when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again
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On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps.
That might be, but they still lost pretty "clearly". Winning is what matters right now.
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On August 10 2011 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:22 namste wrote:On August 10 2011 17:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation  I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/ The PvZ metagame seems pretty awful at the moment... Dt and stargate openings seem so easy to deflect while taking 3 bases and then the only option of not falling really far behind is some sort of blink stalker timing attack. It's just so funny how people seem to forget that there was a time when Zerg couldn't win over Protoss seemingly anyhow. Now the metagame has switched and people just need to figure stuff out again. Less crying, more thinking. Guess the Protoss masses need their own Nestea/Losira coming and showing how the match-up is dealt with. Yeah, that's why I specifically stated metagame over just the matchup in general. It's really a lot about the openers right now in every matchup.
No, seriously. when Zergs were losing against protoss it was because they kept going roach/hydra in every single game and didnt know how to inject properly.
These days, you basicly see every single protoss build get smashed to the ground. F-FE, 1gate expo, Stargate, DT, Blink stalkers, it all gets teared apart.
What do you expect protoss players to do, come up with new strategies that involve new units that dont even exist?
BTW dont forget that zerg actually recived buffs. Lets not pretend it was only because of a so called "metagame shift"
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On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps.
...Pretty sure they lost because for the most part they were outplayed. It's hard to make a case for playing well when you go 1-8 with half the losses being very one sided.
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On August 10 2011 17:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On August 10 2011 17:15 SEANSYE wrote:Jinro, what do you think about Protoss so far? and some of the other races in the GSL. Do you think everything is very balanced and some of the races/players are just suffering from a meta game shift? Would really a Pros opinion on the situation I think P has generally less good players than T or Z BUT I also think its starting to look like P is in need of help. PvZ I just havent seen anything that even looks effective in a long time, its like you end up behind every single game you play then maybe come back? :/ Well, it should look like that given the fact that the Protoss deadball is unbeatable for zerg. But it seems like P can't get there anymore and get slaughtered late midgame. But it isn't supposed to be that P is on equal foot with Z through the game, due to the P 200 deadball. I would like to remind everybody that Z struggled for more than 3 months against P. Maps like Jungle Basin, DQ, Close Positions meta, Lost Temple and the easy FFE 3 base shakuras were a big factor in that domination of course. But Protoss told us to fuck off. Multiple times. Everywhere. It will change back around. Z and P will be screwed at turns. T just laughs and wins tournaments. But don't forget about that joke based on truth from some months ago. + Show Spoiler +2 Protoss players walk in a bar and sit down. They are playing a final.
I still feel strongly that really strong multiprong Zealot play would do wonders for Protoss against Zerg. Look back to NShoseoSage vs Sirius back on Taldarim altar in the GSTL. He absolutely demolished that poor zerg with his Zealot harrashment, hitting 3 bases at the same time really makes it hard for zergs. Protoss has an amazing ability to warp units anywhere on the map, but they just don't seem to use it. It's alright to make pylons outside your base, not only for proxying but harrash purposes as well.
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Protoss death balls are actually not invincible anymore. Infestor + broodlord + queens for transfuse can beat it, even if you add void rays, as long as you can out last the storms, which is easier now that you don't have to deal with warp-in storms.
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On August 10 2011 17:28 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps. when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again
Well, the thing is check prime IS a solid player otherwise he wouldnt be in the Code A of GSL wich is basicly the second most competetive league in the world. i know some of you people like to act as if Code A is some kind of special school for retarded kids, but thats just not the case.
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Terrans and Zergs have both been dominating with multiprong attacks. Protoss still has the deathball mentality. Maybe with more multiprong attacks, Protoss can be more successful.
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On August 10 2011 17:31 quiet noise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:28 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps. when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again Well, the thing is check prime IS a solid player otherwise he wouldnt be in the Code A of GSL wich is basicly the second most competetive league in the world. i know some of you people like to act as if Code A is some kind of special school for retarded kids, but thats just not the case.
He only fell to Code A last season, so yeah he's still pretty much up there Top25 in Korea.
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On August 10 2011 16:38 NExt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 16:35 King of Kings wrote:On August 10 2011 16:34 NExt wrote:On August 10 2011 16:33 Harrad wrote:On August 10 2011 16:32 King of Kings wrote:
/sigh
And so Nani is our best foreigner? It's HuK. He is all alone "up there"  might need idra to come back :D Nani is way better than IdrA, so IdrA wouldn't be able to win anything in Korea now. Idra is the only foreigner with results in the GSL. Jinro has come closest with a Ro4 showing in the GSL, but idra had consistency crazy foo
(Gonna quote this dumb shit.)
Man sucks for the white guys. Korea master-race.
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On August 10 2011 17:31 Zzoram wrote:
Terrans and Zergs have both been dominating with multiprong attacks. Protoss still has the deathball mentality. Maybe with more multiprong attacks, Protoss can be more successful.
Thank you for being smart and thinking the same as me <3
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I think protoss should take more hidden expansions. They should make a stargate let it be scouted while you have 3 proxy gates by your 3rd then cancel the stargate after you kill the overlord scout and 6 gate push them. Maybe protoss needs Kydarian Amulet back???
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On August 10 2011 17:31 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:31 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:28 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps. when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again Well, the thing is check prime IS a solid player otherwise he wouldnt be in the Code A of GSL wich is basicly the second most competetive league in the world. i know some of you people like to act as if Code A is some kind of special school for retarded kids, but thats just not the case. He only fell to Code A last season, so yeah he's still pretty much up there Top25 in Korea.
Yeah, i fucking hate how some people seem to think that if you are not Nestea or MVP, you are a sub-par/bad player. Thats just delusional.
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On August 10 2011 17:31 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:31 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:28 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps. when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again Well, the thing is check prime IS a solid player otherwise he wouldnt be in the Code A of GSL wich is basicly the second most competetive league in the world. i know some of you people like to act as if Code A is some kind of special school for retarded kids, but thats just not the case. He only fell to Code A last season, so yeah he's still pretty much up there Top25 in Korea.
lol'd at top 25. he's the bottom barrel of code a at best. look at his results and watch his play. it's objective.
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On August 10 2011 17:31 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:31 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:28 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps. when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again Well, the thing is check prime IS a solid player otherwise he wouldnt be in the Code A of GSL wich is basicly the second most competetive league in the world. i know some of you people like to act as if Code A is some kind of special school for retarded kids, but thats just not the case. He only fell to Code A last season, so yeah he's still pretty much up there Top25 in Korea.
On top of things are you guys taking a look at the Code S and Code A line up... if it wasnt for the current Gods of Zerg and Terran, anyone could take the tournament. GSL is a real goddamn tough contest, which really highlights why Koreans are going to foreign tournaments cause GSL is tough!
Aint no shame on anyone for being in Code A or even Code B, GSL is damn tough
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On August 10 2011 17:34 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:31 namste wrote:On August 10 2011 17:31 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:28 akalarry wrote:On August 10 2011 17:24 quiet noise wrote:On August 10 2011 17:19 Grettin wrote:
Interesting to see that the Swedish "superduo" Naniwa & Thorzain, didn't perform that well when they "had" to.
Still hoping and waiting for Jinro's epic "comeback" though. He did it once so he can do it again.
e. well, maybe comeback isn't the correct word here. But the same success he had couple seasons ago. 8) They did perform well. the reason they lost was (probably) 1. meta-game 2. sleep schedule, time zone change 3. MAPS statisticly, any terran/protoss was expected to lose on these maps. when you make checkprime look like a solid, well executing player, then something is wrong. i honestly did not expect to see him win a game ever again Well, the thing is check prime IS a solid player otherwise he wouldnt be in the Code A of GSL wich is basicly the second most competetive league in the world. i know some of you people like to act as if Code A is some kind of special school for retarded kids, but thats just not the case. He only fell to Code A last season, so yeah he's still pretty much up there Top25 in Korea. lol'd at top 25. he's the bottom barrel of code a at best. look at his results and watch his play. it's objective.
Bottom barrel of code A is still around top 50 in the world.
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On August 10 2011 17:32 skrzmark wrote:
I think protoss should take more hidden expansions. They should make a stargate let it be scouted while you have 3 proxy gates by your 3rd then cancel the stargate after you kill the overlord scout and 6 gate push them. Maybe protoss needs Kydarian Amulet back???
Amulet existing in the current metagame certainly wouldn't feel as overpowered as it did a few months ago.
I think Blizzard doens't want to do any balance patches until HotS is out, so Protoss will just have to deal with it for now.
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On August 10 2011 17:20 Spicy Pepper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 17:15 jinixxx123 wrote:On August 10 2011 17:09 Zzoram wrote:On August 10 2011 17:08 CruelZeratul wrote:
After HuKs inevitable loss in Code S there will be no foreigners and nearly no Protosses left in GSL this season, so hardly any reason for me to watch it. Hope September is getting better. You're kidding right? Nestea vs MVP should be siiiick MMA vs Polt should be great too The winner of this GSL Code S will likely be one of those 4. seeing MMA manhandle nestea on zergpolis yesterday so bad with the current state of TvZ and also showing such an impressive TVT i think MMA has this one in the bag, If not mma then definately MVP is going to win this gsl. Both of them are simply not humans, they are machines. Ppl will sight it as terran being imba, but thats a load of bullshit. Playing T is incredibly hard right now. Anyway, to be on topic, truely a sad day for sweden esports, they looked terrible out their tonight, i think thorzain was the only one a who managed to take a single game, everything else was EZ 2-0 victories for koreans. You guys truely need to step it up, its not about mass practicing but quality practice with reasons why you lost a particular game. No player is so good that you can just say he has a GSL in the bag. That's basically what a bonjwa is. Nestea is the closest to that, but I wouldn't think he's going to automatically win this, especially considering that he might lose in the next round to MVP. MMA won a game of Nestea, great for him. But the next time they meet up, Nestea will have time to prepare specifically for MMA. MMA's success so far has been at MLG and in team leagues, where you have game after game, rather than having prepared for a specific opponent.
Super tournament finalist what?
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