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hm..does Doa know Inca has only won 1 ZvP in his entire GSL career of like 10 seasons
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Today is reminding me of the up/down matches where protoss got slaughtered. Protoss has to make the super slow expensive units to combat the mass low tier gob. Protoss needs a lot of bases to support those expensive units yet can't defend quick enough it seems, never ending circle.
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Oh please Doa. DRG is HEAVY favorite.
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Inca will rape DRG (aka most Overrated Player EVER!)
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Go InCa <3! prove DRG that he ain't no GSL level ;p!
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inca from hero to zero lol
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Inca made it to the finals based on the back of his PvP and then cheesing NaDa as hard as he could.
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On August 08 2011 19:49 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:47 Dfgj wrote:On August 08 2011 19:46 fant0m wrote:On August 08 2011 19:43 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:39 graNite wrote:On August 08 2011 19:26 Fyzar wrote:
1/1/1 incoming 100% Where is the 1.1.1 now? stop whining protoss, we can beat you without this 1base push too did we ever say you couldn't...? what are you trying to prove, i actually don't mind losing if it's a nice macro game with aggressive strategies like these. boost your ego somewhere else So you get to dictate the 'honorable way' an opponent beats you? Sadly a LOT of SC2 players feel that way. Especially Zerg (and by the way I play Z now, I switched races this summer). People like Psy, Destiny, and Idra think that anyone who comes with a push before 15 minutes isn't playing the game "properly." If you think the skill used by Taeja and required to prepare in game 1 and game 3 was anywhere near comparable you're deluding yourself. You know what takes skill? Winning. There's some Zerg-propaganda influenced mindset that macro games 'take more skill.' In Brood War, yes. But in SC2 macro is so easy that I basically laugh in your face at that notion. It's just an excuse for greedy players to look down on rushes and cheeses so they have an excuse when they aren't prepared for those.
No, what matters is winning. But there are definitely harder games to play, and games that take more skill to win, and gameplay that takes more practice to be effective. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
Game 1 shows a build is good. Game 3 showed that Taeja is good.
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On August 08 2011 19:49 Failsafe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:47 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:45 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:38 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:31 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:26 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:24 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:21 HolyArrow wrote:On August 08 2011 19:18 Ocedic wrote:
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Did you read what I said? Remember back when 5 rax reaper was viable (pre reaper nerf)? It was used virtually EVERY game. If the strategy WAS uncounterable it would be used EVERY game.
It's not, so you're wrong. Stop whining and get better. Some maps aren't good to 1-1-1 on. Your logic is stupid. You're basically saying, "It's not used in 100% of the games, therefore, it's not uncounterable, l2p". For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it. And it IS used very, very often, with a very high winrate. Maybe you should go tell Puzzle and SangHo to stop whining and get better since I also saw them complaining about it, and they're not even known for QQ. Maybe they should stop QQ? There are numerous examples throughout BROOD WAR history where matchups were considered much one sided, then someone (Boxer, Bisu, JulyZerg, Savior, etc) came along and shook up the entire matchup with something new. But no, modern gamers can't be bothered with that. Let's just cry for nerfs every time a strategy is 'too hard' to counter. Okay, so basically, you're calling upon historical precedent of a different, arguably better-designed game to justify telling pros to shut up and learn to play. You realize that 1-1-1 has been around for a year, right? It's not a hot new strategy that's taking people by surprise. People have had plenty of time to figure out good counters. So then you are in favor of nerfing/buffing around flavor of the month builds? 1-1-1 has been around for a while but it only recently came back (it was gone for a few months.) I mean, did you watch the game? Taeja had 14 marines, 3 tanks and 2 bansshees against 3 stalkers and 3 sentries. You saying it's overpowered that the T force wins against 6 units? Might I recommend you start playing the novice maps, there are rocks that prevent rushes so you can play as greedy as you like. Your last statement is funny because you imply that I'm some terrible noob who needs novice maps, yet, a fast expansion (what I'm assuming your statement about being "greedy" is aimed at) is actually agreed upon by many good Toss players to be the best way to deal with 1-1-1. So who's the one who doesn't understand the game? Oh, and Tails had more than just 3 stalkers and 3 sentries, so maybe you're the one that needs to watch more carefully... Implying someone else's ignorance while simultaneously being ignorant yourself doesn't... really work. Hearsay isn't a good arugment, especially when you don't even cite your sources. 'Many good Toss players' agree with you? I can do the same thing, many good non-Protoss players disagree with you. Also, first you claim no counter to the strategy exists, now you say there is a way to deal with it. Make up your mind, balance whiner! Where did I claim that no counter exists? Strawman harder, dude. I feel like I've effectively communicated that there are counters, but they're not very consistent. I said right there in one of my posts embedded in that big quote tree: "For one thing, most people here don't think it's uncounterable, but just that the skill and effort that takes to counter it far outstrips the skill and effort needed to execute it." Read more carefully. I didn't cite my sources because I actually don't feel like putting that much effort into arguing with someone like you - this "hearsay" I talk about is just observing 1-1-1 discussion in LR threads. I could ask right here in this LR thread what experienced Protoss players think is a proper counter to 1-1-1, and I'm pretty sure that what they say would match up with what I'm claiming works. But I don't think that would convince you either, because then you'd play one of two cards: 1. There's no proof that the players in the LR thread are experienced Toss players 2. Players in an LR thread aren't enough numerically to constitute "many good Toss players". Thanks for countering your own arguments for me. So basically you admit you don't have an actual argument and thus don't back up your claims. Got it. Either cite your sources (waiting on these 'good Protoss' quotes) or don't make shit up. who are you? it seems pretty clear to the vast majority of viewers that there are problems with the 111 build. the onus is on you to support your claim that there isn't a problem. the fact of the matter is that it's a frequently used build with an insane win rate. what have you got?
Yes, cause the majority of posters whining in an LR thread (most of the people here probably don't even play much, let alone at a level where balance matters) equates to a universally accepted notion about balance. You got me there.
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incoming 'wtf is doa talking about'
but really doa...
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On August 08 2011 19:51 gehgrfhgrh wrote:
Inca will rape DRG (aka most Overrated Player EVER!)
your not familiar with inca's PvZ record
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If InCa drops from Code A, I'm going to laugh so hard.
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On August 08 2011 19:47 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:46 fant0m wrote:On August 08 2011 19:43 Ocedic wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 itsjuspeter wrote:On August 08 2011 19:39 graNite wrote:On August 08 2011 19:26 Fyzar wrote:
1/1/1 incoming 100% Where is the 1.1.1 now? stop whining protoss, we can beat you without this 1base push too did we ever say you couldn't...? what are you trying to prove, i actually don't mind losing if it's a nice macro game with aggressive strategies like these. boost your ego somewhere else So you get to dictate the 'honorable way' an opponent beats you? Sadly a LOT of SC2 players feel that way. Especially Zerg (and by the way I play Z now, I switched races this summer). People like Psy, Destiny, and Idra think that anyone who comes with a push before 15 minutes isn't playing the game "properly." If you think the skill used by Taeja and required to prepare in game 1 and game 3 was anywhere near comparable you're deluding yourself.
Edit: misunderstood.
What are the bets that Inca will bust out the 'Inca rule' and allin every game (all two of them) this series.
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On August 08 2011 19:50 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:49 gh0un wrote:On August 08 2011 19:41 Beyonder wrote:On August 08 2011 19:40 Akhee wrote:
Im seeing this micro as so common
even my gold friends can do this o_o
Yeah but to do this while macroing, expanding, multi dropping.. Uhm... Not uhm... You cant do two things at once, you can just do them in quick succession. Multitasking doesnt mean that you can do multiple things at ONCE, it just means that you can do multiple things more or less at the same time without forgetting about them. If he is continously microing his units, there is no room for something else, unless he skips 1 second of micro for 1 second of macro --> this is multitasking. Humans arent really capable of real multitasking except for breathing and thinking at the same time (maybe while scratching their head, but thats it). You think pro terrans arent still macroing between stuttersteps? Im pretty sure they are.
what he said is "ok i have 2 seconds to stop microing this battle so I will 6aaddaa7dd etc very fast, but not at the SAME time when we are seeing they micro battle
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Sure DRG is strong, but Inca dropped from Code S after being finalist. It would be a huge disgrace for him to drop to Code B.
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On August 08 2011 19:51 Telcontar wrote:
If InCa drops from Code A, I'm going to laugh so hard.
Laugh? I'd cheer.
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On August 08 2011 19:51 gehgrfhgrh wrote:
Inca will rape DRG (aka most Overrated Player EVER!)
Inca and his like 11% PvZ win rate right?
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On August 08 2011 19:51 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 19:51 gehgrfhgrh wrote:
Inca will rape DRG (aka most Overrated Player EVER!) your not familiar with inca's PvZ record
Hey man, he's won one!
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DRG has to commit seppuku if he actually loses a ZvP against Inca. I wonder if the nerves of that fact cripple him.
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EPT
