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On July 31 2011 19:41 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Oh damnit Ret and Tyler, I was expecting so much =(
Ret played well. Tyler played well yesterday then into the start of today. He might have run into some stamina issues there at the end, but I don't think I saw any of his streamed Pool games, so can't really say.
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On July 31 2011 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 19:40 Elefanto wrote:On July 31 2011 19:38 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play? He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad. The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan. That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger. Machine and Drewbie dropping out wouldn't really be a lose. They show occasionally good games, but mostly they get rolled. You still need huge results for any of them to fall out though. Tyler would have to win about one more game or so to pass them. Plus Rain actually coming back with his top 6 performance. For Sheth to fall out he would have to have WhiteRa or WBC get top 6 and him lose his next two matches (seeding match). The only way Moonan could fall out is if Sheth goes a round further than him and all the above happens... or WhiteRa, Rain, and WBC get top 4 and Moonan loses out. Socke could fall out only if Moonan finishes about 2 spots ahead of him and all the following for Moonan to lose out above happens also. This is assuming Ganzi doesn't come back, as well as the invited Koreans (I don't think they are actually able to come back though I'm not sure.) This means the following are SAFE. 1 Naniwa 2 idra 3 Slush 4 Kiwikaki 5 Select 6 Ret 7 Incontrol 8 Haypro 9 TLO 10 Huk 11 Sjow Miracle to be in danger 12. Socke 13. Moonan 14. Sheth In extreme danger 15. Drewbie 16. Machine Looking good to take a spot 17. Tyler 18. Rain Miracle to take a spot 19. WhiteRa 20. ONEwbc Rain has an assured Top 6 placement. Since he's living in NYC now, I imagine it's safe to assume he'll return. Since Drewbie can, at best, get 25th place for 90 rank points, Rain is assuredly higher. He's at minimum tied with Machine. Tyler wins 1 then there's a good chance he's back into Pools. If he wins 2, he's into Pools next time. So Tyler fans need him to beat Cruncher & Haypro.
That's what I just said but maybe it was TL:DR. = )
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On July 31 2011 20:02 Beyonder wrote:
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Hoping for a miracle boxer win.. gogo boxer <3 <3
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xCNW4.gif) Boxer!
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man i just realized if MMA had gotten first in his group we might've had a slayers top 3 in MLG which would be crazy
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On July 31 2011 20:07 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:05 ZaaaaaM wrote:On July 31 2011 19:47 Beyonder wrote:On July 31 2011 19:41 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Oh damnit Ret and Tyler, I was expecting so much =( They are still in man :D Huh oh, I really don't understand this format hehe. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Anaheim/ChampionshipBracketThis will help you understand.. everyone that loses in the open goes into a major losers bracket (see white-ra :D), and everyone from group earns a seed in that bracket. Winners go to top bracket.
Ah thanks for the link. Damn, a lot of sick matches coming up between players I thought were on their way home haha;p
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On July 31 2011 20:08 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 19:40 Elefanto wrote:On July 31 2011 19:38 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play? He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad. The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan. That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger. Machine and Drewbie dropping out wouldn't really be a lose. They show occasionally good games, but mostly they get rolled. You still need huge results for any of them to fall out though. Tyler would have to win about one more game or so to pass them. Plus Rain actually coming back with his top 6 performance. For Sheth to fall out he would have to have WhiteRa or WBC get top 6 and him lose his next two matches (seeding match). The only way Moonan could fall out is if Sheth goes a round further than him and all the above happens... or WhiteRa, Rain, and WBC get top 4 and Moonan loses out. Socke could fall out only if Moonan finishes about 2 spots ahead of him and all the following for Moonan to lose out above happens also. This is assuming Ganzi doesn't come back, as well as the invited Koreans (I don't think they are actually able to come back though I'm not sure.) This means the following are SAFE. 1 Naniwa 2 idra 3 Slush 4 Kiwikaki 5 Select 6 Ret 7 Incontrol 8 Haypro 9 TLO 10 Huk 11 Sjow Miracle to be in danger 12. Socke 13. Moonan 14. Sheth In extreme danger 15. Drewbie 16. Machine Looking good to take a spot 17. Tyler 18. Rain Miracle to take a spot 19. WhiteRa 20. ONEwbc Rain has an assured Top 6 placement. Since he's living in NYC now, I imagine it's safe to assume he'll return. Since Drewbie can, at best, get 25th place for 90 rank points, Rain is assuredly higher. He's at minimum tied with Machine. Tyler wins 1 then there's a good chance he's back into Pools. If he wins 2, he's into Pools next time. So Tyler fans need him to beat Cruncher & Haypro. That's what I just said but maybe it was TL:DR. = )
I read it, I was just correcting that you had Drewbie over Machine (Machine is +10 points) and that Rain should have the tie break, in the worst case scenario for him. And I was explaining further the point about Tyler, as he's coming up a few times recently.
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On July 31 2011 20:02 Beyonder wrote:
Well, inc, you did have kind of a "weak" group. Dont have to be ashamed, but you should be able to win some :D. Other groups were even worse. Didnt expect much more though :o But you have a good record vs TLO, so gl, still a chance to get far =]
Hoping for a miracle boxer win.. gogo boxer <3 <3
He did 2-1 Choya though. So, he does have the talent to compete with the best.
InControl is in a weird place imo. He's got too much going on. I think he's a pretty decent caster and a really good player. He needs to make his business decision. I think if he can win a few more sets in this MLG it will give him confidence for Raleigh.
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On July 31 2011 19:33 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 18:18 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 18:07 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:00 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 17:17 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP. Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins. I think it's generally accepted that of the 6 matchups, PvP is the most coinflip. Oh, ok. So it's not that players like MC are generally better at the match-up. He just has better coins. That totally makes more sense than people calling it a coin flip because it is punishes them for inferior execution. So your argument is "PvP is not coinflippy! Look at :: insert best Protoss players name :: !" ? strong argument. You are just taking an anomaly (gosu MC) and using him as your main argument. And who are these 'players like MC' you keep mentioning? Afaik, MC is the only Protoss to win a GSL (twice) Answer me this: If PvP is just a coinflip, what does MC being the best Protoss have to do with anything? After all, that shouldn't matter in a matchup that is determined by luck and not skill. Also, what does winning a GSL have to do with a matchup not being random? Oh, one more thing. Naniwa: 64.24% Huk: 66.30% (internationally, I believe it's in the 30's in Korea albeit with a small sample size) Inca: 80% Satisfied? Maybe, instead of calling it a coin flip, you could just admit that it isn't your cup of tea?
It's not a coinflip, but there's luck involved more so than other matchups except for ZvZ.
Besides, your example of MC also shows the volatility of the matchup, especially considering how he lost to HongUn 3-1.
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On July 31 2011 20:16 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:08 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 20:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 19:40 Elefanto wrote:On July 31 2011 19:38 Corrik wrote:On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play? He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad. The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan. That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger. Machine and Drewbie dropping out wouldn't really be a lose. They show occasionally good games, but mostly they get rolled. You still need huge results for any of them to fall out though. Tyler would have to win about one more game or so to pass them. Plus Rain actually coming back with his top 6 performance. For Sheth to fall out he would have to have WhiteRa or WBC get top 6 and him lose his next two matches (seeding match). The only way Moonan could fall out is if Sheth goes a round further than him and all the above happens... or WhiteRa, Rain, and WBC get top 4 and Moonan loses out. Socke could fall out only if Moonan finishes about 2 spots ahead of him and all the following for Moonan to lose out above happens also. This is assuming Ganzi doesn't come back, as well as the invited Koreans (I don't think they are actually able to come back though I'm not sure.) This means the following are SAFE. 1 Naniwa 2 idra 3 Slush 4 Kiwikaki 5 Select 6 Ret 7 Incontrol 8 Haypro 9 TLO 10 Huk 11 Sjow Miracle to be in danger 12. Socke 13. Moonan 14. Sheth In extreme danger 15. Drewbie 16. Machine Looking good to take a spot 17. Tyler 18. Rain Miracle to take a spot 19. WhiteRa 20. ONEwbc Rain has an assured Top 6 placement. Since he's living in NYC now, I imagine it's safe to assume he'll return. Since Drewbie can, at best, get 25th place for 90 rank points, Rain is assuredly higher. He's at minimum tied with Machine. Tyler wins 1 then there's a good chance he's back into Pools. If he wins 2, he's into Pools next time. So Tyler fans need him to beat Cruncher & Haypro. That's what I just said but maybe it was TL:DR. = ) I read it, I was just correcting that you had Drewbie over Machine (Machine is +10 points) and that Rain should have the tie break, in the worst case scenario for him. And I was explaining further the point about Tyler, as he's coming up a few times recently.
I didn't know Drewbie and Machine had played their seeding matches yet. Rain should be higher upon tying because there is supposed to be some minor decay or something from past events. (Though I have yet to ever see any shown in a points sheet).
Okay. = )
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On July 31 2011 18:00 CellTech wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:17 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP. Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins. I think it's generally accepted that of the 6 matchups, PvP is the most coinflip.
no it's not none of the pros say that anymore for months
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On July 31 2011 20:25 catabowl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:02 Beyonder wrote:
Well, inc, you did have kind of a "weak" group. Dont have to be ashamed, but you should be able to win some :D. Other groups were even worse. Didnt expect much more though :o But you have a good record vs TLO, so gl, still a chance to get far =]
Hoping for a miracle boxer win.. gogo boxer <3 <3 He did 2-1 Choya though. So, he does have the talent to compete with the best. InControl is in a weird place imo. He's got too much going on. I think he's a pretty decent caster and a really good player. He needs to make his business decision. I think if he can win a few more sets in this MLG it will give him confidence for Raleigh.
In my humble opinion he's just right where he's suppose to be. Not good enough to truly tango with the real progamers, better than the amateurs. Should drop out the group stage too. Might take games off the good players sometimes, but his ELO and game statistics say it all (39%). Kind of counts for all the American players, this was true in BW too. A lot of the newer SC2 players expect all kinds of things from American players, but it will never truly happen. This is even to an extent true for Idra.. not the right mindset, not the proper practice method, and practice is all he relies on as he is not really innovative or creative-- though he seems to improve on this somewhat.
Of course he does a lot of other stuff too, and that cannot help... Not trying to be mean and these guys are better than I am, but people just expect too much. I think Rekrul said it best once 
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On July 31 2011 20:27 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 19:33 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:18 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 18:07 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:00 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 17:17 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP. Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins. I think it's generally accepted that of the 6 matchups, PvP is the most coinflip. Oh, ok. So it's not that players like MC are generally better at the match-up. He just has better coins. That totally makes more sense than people calling it a coin flip because it is punishes them for inferior execution. So your argument is "PvP is not coinflippy! Look at :: insert best Protoss players name :: !" ? strong argument. You are just taking an anomaly (gosu MC) and using him as your main argument. And who are these 'players like MC' you keep mentioning? Afaik, MC is the only Protoss to win a GSL (twice) Answer me this: If PvP is just a coinflip, what does MC being the best Protoss have to do with anything? After all, that shouldn't matter in a matchup that is determined by luck and not skill. Also, what does winning a GSL have to do with a matchup not being random? Oh, one more thing. Naniwa: 64.24% Huk: 66.30% (internationally, I believe it's in the 30's in Korea albeit with a small sample size) Inca: 80% Satisfied? Maybe, instead of calling it a coin flip, you could just admit that it isn't your cup of tea? It's not a coinflip, but there's luck involved more so than other matchups except for ZvZ. Besides, your example of MC also shows the volatility of the matchup, especially considering how he lost to HongUn 3-1.
I'd say the reason he lost to HongUn was more so that he's traveling everywhere to play in tournaments, instead of getting some quality practice.
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On July 31 2011 20:33 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:25 catabowl wrote:On July 31 2011 20:02 Beyonder wrote:
Well, inc, you did have kind of a "weak" group. Dont have to be ashamed, but you should be able to win some :D. Other groups were even worse. Didnt expect much more though :o But you have a good record vs TLO, so gl, still a chance to get far =]
Hoping for a miracle boxer win.. gogo boxer <3 <3 He did 2-1 Choya though. So, he does have the talent to compete with the best. InControl is in a weird place imo. He's got too much going on. I think he's a pretty decent caster and a really good player. He needs to make his business decision. I think if he can win a few more sets in this MLG it will give him confidence for Raleigh. In my humble opinion he's just right where he's suppose to be. Not good enough to truly tango with the real progamers, better than the amateurs. Should drop out the group stage too. Might take games off the good players sometimes, but his ELO and game statistics say it all. Kind of counts for all the American players, this was true in BW too. A lot of the newer SC2 players expect all kinds of things from American players, but it will never truly happen. This is even to an extent true for Idra.. not the right mindset, not the proper practice method, and practice is all he relies on as he is not really innovative or creative-- though he seems to improve on this somewhat. Not trying to be mean and these guys are better than I am, but people just expect too much. I think Rekrul said it best once
I think Idra might be the only American who would truly be worthy of pool play at this point. Huk also depending how you classify him (in before race feud).
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Why havnt we seen a single upset or surprising result so far?
If I were to predict the group standings I would have been almost 100% correct. Koreans dominating followed by the usual "good" foreigners with the "lesser" foreigners taking the bottom slots.
I really hope we have some surprises comming up today. Its kinda sad when everything goes as predicted.
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On July 31 2011 20:34 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:27 wklbishop wrote:On July 31 2011 19:33 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:18 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 18:07 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:00 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 17:17 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP. Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins. I think it's generally accepted that of the 6 matchups, PvP is the most coinflip. Oh, ok. So it's not that players like MC are generally better at the match-up. He just has better coins. That totally makes more sense than people calling it a coin flip because it is punishes them for inferior execution. So your argument is "PvP is not coinflippy! Look at :: insert best Protoss players name :: !" ? strong argument. You are just taking an anomaly (gosu MC) and using him as your main argument. And who are these 'players like MC' you keep mentioning? Afaik, MC is the only Protoss to win a GSL (twice) Answer me this: If PvP is just a coinflip, what does MC being the best Protoss have to do with anything? After all, that shouldn't matter in a matchup that is determined by luck and not skill. Also, what does winning a GSL have to do with a matchup not being random? Oh, one more thing. Naniwa: 64.24% Huk: 66.30% (internationally, I believe it's in the 30's in Korea albeit with a small sample size) Inca: 80% Satisfied? Maybe, instead of calling it a coin flip, you could just admit that it isn't your cup of tea? It's not a coinflip, but there's luck involved more so than other matchups except for ZvZ. Besides, your example of MC also shows the volatility of the matchup, especially considering how he lost to HongUn 3-1. I'd say the reason he lost to HongUn was more so that he's traveling everywhere to play in tournaments, instead of getting some quality practice.
Well, I would agree if not for his 2-0 of Huk before he faced HongUn and then he had all the time to prepare for HongUn as a standard GSL match. PLus, HongUn is known to not actually practice that much either because of his injured wrists.
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On July 31 2011 19:19 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 31 2011 17:15 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:
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Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol
At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it. I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't make it to top 6 he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh. I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play. The real problem with the Rank Points system right now is that they're importing 4 Koreans each LAN that are pretty much assured a Top 16 finish. That's really eating up (and preventing knocking off) the weaker players in the Pools. That's clearly not the REAL problem. As an above poster said, if you are seeded from a previous tourney, you can lose EVERY game and still get points from the epic fail of a weekend. If the rank points from last years events decayed it wouldn't be a problem at all. Some of the players like Huk are benefiting from a strong showing last year since he hasn't attended all of the events, but others are riding the fact that they have earned points at every event so they have more points than better players even though they haven't had a good showing since Raleigh or DC last year. They keep getting points because it's almost automatic to earn points if you're already seeded. A few of the players have dropped down this event though so maybe the cleansing will continue and weed everyone out before providence. Points for last year don't count for this year except for the first event. If they did count, your national champion Jinro would have been in pool play.
Yes and the only reason people like Inc were ever in group play was because Jinro and Huk didn't attend the first MLG of this year
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On July 31 2011 20:37 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:34 Sneakyz wrote:On July 31 2011 20:27 wklbishop wrote:On July 31 2011 19:33 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:18 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 18:07 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 18:00 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 17:17 Scribble wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.
mother of all coin flips
TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.
That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP. Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins. I think it's generally accepted that of the 6 matchups, PvP is the most coinflip. Oh, ok. So it's not that players like MC are generally better at the match-up. He just has better coins. That totally makes more sense than people calling it a coin flip because it is punishes them for inferior execution. So your argument is "PvP is not coinflippy! Look at :: insert best Protoss players name :: !" ? strong argument. You are just taking an anomaly (gosu MC) and using him as your main argument. And who are these 'players like MC' you keep mentioning? Afaik, MC is the only Protoss to win a GSL (twice) Answer me this: If PvP is just a coinflip, what does MC being the best Protoss have to do with anything? After all, that shouldn't matter in a matchup that is determined by luck and not skill. Also, what does winning a GSL have to do with a matchup not being random? Oh, one more thing. Naniwa: 64.24% Huk: 66.30% (internationally, I believe it's in the 30's in Korea albeit with a small sample size) Inca: 80% Satisfied? Maybe, instead of calling it a coin flip, you could just admit that it isn't your cup of tea? It's not a coinflip, but there's luck involved more so than other matchups except for ZvZ. Besides, your example of MC also shows the volatility of the matchup, especially considering how he lost to HongUn 3-1. I'd say the reason he lost to HongUn was more so that he's traveling everywhere to play in tournaments, instead of getting some quality practice. Well, I would agree if not for his 2-0 of Huk before he faced HongUn and then he had all the time to prepare for HongUn as a standard GSL match. PLus, HongUn is known to not actually practice that much either because of his injured wrists.
I have no idea about HongUn's practice, but I think MC himself said HuK didn't practice for their match just because MC couldn't practice for it.
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On July 31 2011 20:33 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 20:25 catabowl wrote:On July 31 2011 20:02 Beyonder wrote:
Well, inc, you did have kind of a "weak" group. Dont have to be ashamed, but you should be able to win some :D. Other groups were even worse. Didnt expect much more though :o But you have a good record vs TLO, so gl, still a chance to get far =]
Hoping for a miracle boxer win.. gogo boxer <3 <3 He did 2-1 Choya though. So, he does have the talent to compete with the best. InControl is in a weird place imo. He's got too much going on. I think he's a pretty decent caster and a really good player. He needs to make his business decision. I think if he can win a few more sets in this MLG it will give him confidence for Raleigh. In my humble opinion he's just right where he's suppose to be. Not good enough to truly tango with the real progamers, better than the amateurs. Should drop out the group stage too. Might take games off the good players sometimes, but his ELO and game statistics say it all (39%). Kind of counts for all the American players, this was true in BW too. A lot of the newer SC2 players expect all kinds of things from American players, but it will never truly happen. This is even to an extent true for Idra.. not the right mindset, not the proper practice method, and practice is all he relies on as he is not really innovative or creative-- though he seems to improve on this somewhat. Not trying to be mean and these guys are better than I am, but people just expect too much. I think Rekrul said it best once
Yeah, what i feel carries incontrol currently is that sc2 is slower played, and you can get so much out of it if you play a solid, strategical style.
Incontrol has an absolutely amazing understanding of the game and impeccable decision making.
That's where he excels the most. He's like goody and sjow for instance, where other areas make up for their deficit in others.
As long as sc2 stays the same, he'll be always able to take sets off amazing players, even making good tournament runs. But as soon as sc2 gets really face paced, with more multitask, mechanics and micro, i fear for him and most of the foreigners.
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On July 31 2011 20:36 DaCruise wrote:
Why havnt we seen a single upset or surprising result so far?
If I were to predict the group standings I would have been almost 100% correct. Koreans dominating followed by the usual "good" foreigners with the "lesser" foreigners taking the bottom slots.
I really hope we have some surprises comming up today. Its kinda sad when everything goes as predicted.
Depends on what you classify as an upset.
Open Bracket had a ton.
Certain players taking a game off of others could be considered shocking or an upset. (Cruncher off Boxer, Drewbie off MMA, so on).
Rain beating MMA has to be an upset. Moonan beating Select might be a borderline one.Haypro's wins over TL teammates might be borderline too.
incontrol over choya and wbc over oz might be considered upsets in Loser Bracket of Championship Bracket also.
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