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Alright, its truly time to stop whining. Stop caster bashing also. Be warned.
Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
July 31 2011 10:33 GMT
#12121
Really really happy iNKA made it so far, he has great potential, and his stream is always an awsome thing to watch. One of the few semi-pros I really, really enjoy watching!
Flaf?
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 10:34:21
July 31 2011 10:33 GMT
#12122
On July 31 2011 18:18 CellTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 18:07 Scribble wrote:
On July 31 2011 18:00 CellTech wrote:
On July 31 2011 17:17 Scribble wrote:
On July 31 2011 17:11 CellTech wrote:
PvP doesn't count.

mother of all coin flips

TvT and ZvZ for the most part, reward the better player.



That's a terrible argument. If PvP was a coinflip then all high level protoss would have roughly a 50% win-rate in PvP.

Either your argument is absurd or MC (among others) is playing with some really weird coins.


I think it's generally accepted that of the 6 matchups, PvP is the most coinflip.


Oh, ok. So it's not that players like MC are generally better at the match-up. He just has better coins.

That totally makes more sense than people calling it a coin flip because it is punishes them for inferior execution.


So your argument is "PvP is not coinflippy! Look at :: insert best Protoss players name :: !" ?

strong argument.

You are just taking an anomaly (gosu MC) and using him as your main argument.

And who are these 'players like MC' you keep mentioning? Afaik, MC is the only Protoss to win a GSL (twice)


Answer me this: If PvP is just a coinflip, what does MC being the best Protoss have to do with anything? After all, that shouldn't matter in a matchup that is determined by luck and not skill.

Also, what does winning a GSL have to do with a matchup not being random?

Oh, one more thing.

Naniwa: 64.24%
Huk: 66.30% (internationally, I believe it's in the 30's in Korea albeit with a small sample size)
Inca: 80%

Satisfied?

Maybe, instead of calling it a coin flip, you could just admit that it isn't your cup of tea?
Crazyahmed
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada280 Posts
July 31 2011 10:34 GMT
#12123
rains' performance is quite impressive and pretty surprising, he played the nasl as well and did very poorly.


3210.N99
Profile Joined July 2011
2 Posts
July 31 2011 10:35 GMT
#12124
What time is the next schedule?
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 31 2011 10:35 GMT
#12125
On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?

Super solid, with a touch of all-in.

Seriously, he did very well, showed that he can macro with the best of them, but his play has a distinct flavor to it. I think he prefers to end games early still, to be honest, but there's nothing wrong with that. You can't expect every player to love long games, especially if Rain's strategy coming into the tournament was to play shorter, quicker games to preserve stamina.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
July 31 2011 10:38 GMT
#12126
On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?


He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad.

The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan.

That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
July 31 2011 10:40 GMT
#12127
On July 31 2011 19:38 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?


He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad.

The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan.

That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger.


Machine and Drewbie dropping out wouldn't really be a lose.
They show occasionally good games, but mostly they get rolled.
wat
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
July 31 2011 10:41 GMT
#12128
Oh damnit Ret and Tyler, I was expecting so much =(
no dude, the question
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 31 2011 10:47 GMT
#12129
On July 31 2011 19:41 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Oh damnit Ret and Tyler, I was expecting so much =(

They are still in man :D
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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 10:54:27
July 31 2011 10:47 GMT
#12130
On July 31 2011 19:40 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 19:38 Corrik wrote:
On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?


He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad.

The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan.

That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger.


Machine and Drewbie dropping out wouldn't really be a lose.
They show occasionally good games, but mostly they get rolled.


You still need huge results for any of them to fall out though. Tyler would have to win about one more game or so to pass them. Plus Rain actually coming back with his top 6 performance. For Sheth to fall out he would have to have WhiteRa or WBC get top 6 and him lose his next two matches (seeding match).

The only way Moonan could fall out is if Sheth goes a round further than him and all the above happens... or WhiteRa, Rain, and WBC get top 4 and Moonan loses out.

Socke could fall out only if Moonan finishes about 2 spots ahead of him and all the following for Moonan to lose out above happens also.

This is assuming Ganzi doesn't come back, as well as the invited Koreans (I don't think they are actually able to come back though I'm not sure.)

This means the following are SAFE.
1 Naniwa
2 idra
3 Slush
4 Kiwikaki
5 Select
6 Ret
7 Incontrol
8 Haypro
9 TLO
10 Huk
11 Sjow

Miracle to be in danger
12. Socke
13. Moonan
14. Sheth

In extreme danger
15. Drewbie
16. Machine

Looking good to take a spot
17. Tyler
18. Rain

Miracle to take a spot
19. WhiteRa
20. ONEwbc

Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
July 31 2011 10:51 GMT
#12131
Tyler 0-10? Lol, I thought he was on fire from the OB's.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 31 2011 10:53 GMT
#12132
On July 31 2011 19:51 Mouzone wrote:
Tyler 0-10? Lol, I thought he was on fire from the OB's.

Heh T_T, but he has a quite decent shot to get all the way up to huk I feel, if he gets past cruncher :o
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Drteeth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Great Britain415 Posts
July 31 2011 10:53 GMT
#12133
On July 31 2011 16:06 iNcontroL wrote:
Sorry I didn't do well guys but who in my group am I supposed to be ashamed to lose to? I've beaten all of them before and even in events (cruncher at nasl) but today they got the best of me. Tomorrow I play more and will do my best. The next tourney I will do the same. You wanna hate me for that go ahead. Cya at Raleigh


/sigh, keep feeding the trolls ...
Nice cheese ....GG!
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
July 31 2011 10:54 GMT
#12134
Rain has extremely good micro, it's the foundation of his play. Plus of course he will do anything to win.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-31 11:03:16
July 31 2011 11:02 GMT
#12135
Well, inc, you did have kind of a "weak" group. Dont have to be ashamed, but you should be able to win some :D. Other groups were even worse. Didnt expect much more though :o But you have a good record vs TLO, so gl, still a chance to get far =]

Hoping for a miracle boxer win.. gogo boxer <3 <3
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
July 31 2011 11:03 GMT
#12136
rain did great making it out of open brackets which surprised me and played solid games. surprising that leaving korea maybe made him play better.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 31 2011 11:04 GMT
#12137
On July 31 2011 19:35 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?

Super solid, with a touch of all-in.

Seriously, he did very well, showed that he can macro with the best of them, but his play has a distinct flavor to it. I think he prefers to end games early still, to be honest, but there's nothing wrong with that. You can't expect every player to love long games, especially if Rain's strategy coming into the tournament was to play shorter, quicker games to preserve stamina.

Touch of all-in? The only one I saw was Marine Tank Banshee vs Oz.
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
July 31 2011 11:05 GMT
#12138
On July 31 2011 19:47 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 19:41 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Oh damnit Ret and Tyler, I was expecting so much =(

They are still in man :D

Huh oh, I really don't understand this format hehe.
no dude, the question
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 31 2011 11:05 GMT
#12139
On July 31 2011 19:47 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 19:40 Elefanto wrote:
On July 31 2011 19:38 Corrik wrote:
On July 31 2011 19:31 Ingruz wrote:
Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?


He played pretty good. A few hiccups along the way, but not bad.

The only real players in danger of possibly falling out of pool play is Machine, Drewbie, and Sheth. Possibly Moonan.

That depends on whether or not Rain is going to keep coming to events. And that's considering Rain, WhiteRa, and ONEWCB getting Top 6, As well as Tyler finishing approx 2 rounds ahead of those above mentioned players being in danger.


Machine and Drewbie dropping out wouldn't really be a lose.
They show occasionally good games, but mostly they get rolled.


You still need huge results for any of them to fall out though. Tyler would have to win about one more game or so to pass them. Plus Rain actually coming back with his top 6 performance. For Sheth to fall out he would have to have WhiteRa or WBC get top 6 and him lose his next two matches (seeding match).

The only way Moonan could fall out is if Sheth goes a round further than him and all the above happens... or WhiteRa, Rain, and WBC get top 4 and Moonan loses out.

Socke could fall out only if Moonan finishes about 2 spots ahead of him and all the following for Moonan to lose out above happens also.

This is assuming Ganzi doesn't come back, as well as the invited Koreans (I don't think they are actually able to come back though I'm not sure.)

This means the following are SAFE.
1 Naniwa
2 idra
3 Slush
4 Kiwikaki
5 Select
6 Ret
7 Incontrol
8 Haypro
9 TLO
10 Huk
11 Sjow

Miracle to be in danger
12. Socke
13. Moonan
14. Sheth

In extreme danger
15. Drewbie
16. Machine

Looking good to take a spot
17. Tyler
18. Rain

Miracle to take a spot
19. WhiteRa
20. ONEwbc




Rain has an assured Top 6 placement. Since he's living in NYC now, I imagine it's safe to assume he'll return. Since Drewbie can, at best, get 25th place for 90 rank points, Rain is assuredly higher. He's at minimum tied with Machine.

Tyler wins 1 then there's a good chance he's back into Pools. If he wins 2, he's into Pools next time. So Tyler fans need him to beat Cruncher & Haypro.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 31 2011 11:07 GMT
#12140
On July 31 2011 20:05 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 19:47 Beyonder wrote:
On July 31 2011 19:41 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Oh damnit Ret and Tyler, I was expecting so much =(

They are still in man :D

Huh oh, I really don't understand this format hehe.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Anaheim/ChampionshipBracket

This will help you understand.. everyone that loses in the open goes into a major losers bracket (see white-ra :D), and everyone from group earns a seed in that bracket. Winners go to top bracket.
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