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You guys are comparing a 1v1 match between 2 top players, and a marathon event that is the MLG...
As you approach the end of MLG, it becomes all about mental stamina. Someone like white-ra is known for having huge stamina and good skill, which is why he is a powerhouse.
Someone like, for arguments sake, spanishiwa (this isnt a direct criticism of him), would struggle in the later stages of such a tournament as he doesnt have the stamina experience.
July complained of the same thing at columbus, you just have to play so many tense games in such a short period of time, the actual mentally and physically stronger person tends to win on a close skill comparison.
This is the beauty of MLG but its also the beast of MLG. If you lose R6 winners open bracket, you then have to wait like 7 hours before playing another game, and there are no PC's to stay warm on.
And your mental stamina is drained just by being in that environment for so long. There need to be a few tweeks so that evrey single player can perform at their 100% best.
A longer event perhaps?
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Did they never stream the DRG vs Tyler game? I can't seem to find it...
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On July 31 2011 19:05 Fatalize wrote:
Wait ...
Tod destroys Alicia but lose to Choya ?
And then Choya lose to Incontrol ? LOLWUT
Just shows PvP is a coin toss most of the time.
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just took a look at the bracket and am happy to see that White-Ra has been tearing nerds apart in the loserbracket :D
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On July 31 2011 19:11 KristianJS wrote:Idra beat Cruncher 2-0? Awesome  How were the games?
Pretty bad from both sides.
Game 1 Cruncher sit on 2 bases an go colossus after doing some void ray pheonix harass, IdrA push with roach hydra corruptor, lose everything but kill every collossus and then rally a shitton of hydra roach in cruncher's base
Game 2 Cruncher early expand and IdrA go mass ling roach to bust it. Cruncher rush DTs but IdrA see it. Then IdrA has a massive economic lead and just produce a lot of roach infestor and roflstomp cruncher
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On July 31 2011 19:01 Jacobs Ladder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 18:26 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 18:23 Caphe wrote:On July 31 2011 17:09 NuclearJudas wrote:On July 31 2011 17:07 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 31 2011 16:57 Benga wrote:I dont get why  iNcontroL is seeded. Have a look at his TLPD he's a horrible player and hasnt won a match at anehaim. I dont think he's even embarassed about his results. You could always see him saying in interviews that the opponent was so good since BW why shouldnt he shape up So beating Choya dosen't count as winning a match? Tyler was the one that beat Choya. Also, I just noticed that Rain is 5 - 0. Kid must have improved immensely after leaving GSL. Nah, Koreans don't need to improve to beat most foreigners. DRG said in the interview before MLG that he only looking forward to play Koreans in champion bracket since he will win his Pool play no problem. Rain is actually godly if you compare him to foreigners, he only looks gimmicky or inferior when versus code S Koreans. Kinda says something when an entire team (SlayerS) has to change their Terran strategy to beat a single player. Whereas if you asked BoxeR .. "What preparations has your team made to beat the foreigners?" His answer would most likely be "Getting to the airport on time" I feel like you're missing out on the context. There are several really strong Zergs in Korea right now. SlayerS have probably been working on a new TvZ for a while and found a really strong one. Because they're debuting it now doesn't mean it was made 100% for DRG.
Well, there's 4 Zergs, right now, this is really meant for, if you go by ELO: Leenock, DRG, ZeNexLife & Nestea. (and add in Losira as well, given his domination of Byun last week) There's not a lot of others with world-class ZvT. But 3 of those could easily all-kill you in a team league. They've obviously spent a lot of time on this, as all 3 SlayerS Terrans have been using a variation of it. It's become their house TvZ play for the time being. And I see no reason not to, as it's really nasty to deal with.
Though the irony shouldn't be lost that none of them may actually face DRG in this Tournament.
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Placement list of the championship bracket:
+ Show Spoiler +place 36-33
iNkA
tgun
DeMuslim
Hawk
Place 32-29
Attero
Oz
MeRz
ToD
Place 28-25
ThisIsJimmy
Machine
Drewbie
Choya
At least place 24
CrunCher
Tyler
Socke
wbc
SeleCT
White-Ra
TLO
iNcontrol
At least place 20
HayprO
mOoNan
SLush
Sheth
At least place 16
Sjow
Ret
KiWiKaKi
NaNiwa
At least place 12
HuK
GanZi
MMA
IdrA
At least place 8
DongRaeGu
Mvp
BoxeR
Rain
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On July 31 2011 17:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 17:15 CellTech wrote:On July 31 2011 17:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 31 2011 17:11 DizzyDrone wrote:On July 31 2011 17:01 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:54 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:52 Hierarch wrote:On July 31 2011 16:49 Mordiford wrote:On July 31 2011 16:46 Namkung wrote:On July 31 2011 16:39 Serpico wrote:
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Are you saying someone should produce noticeable results after a few weeks of practice against top tier players? That's nonsensical. Who are you even refering to when you say "top" players? lol At this point, I wouldn't even consider idra to be a top player when compared to the Koreans and no one else in EG really is even close to being considered a top player As much as I may not like him, I still think IdrA is a "top" player, he manages to remain competitive at a high level. But yeah, no one else on EG is a top player to be honest, if the other EG guys dropped out, I think it'd be quite unlikely for any of them to pull a Tyler and make it back in. DeMusliM is quite good, he's shown very good TvT and TvP I was talking more about the ones currently in pool play, Machine and inControl, but even DeMuslim has had a pretty hard time in the open bracket, it's really rough and I think it's sad that the format is unfair to them when many of them could probably take out the weak links of the pools. GSL's Code S took a very long time to get the weak players cycled out, like check, thebest, hyperdub, rainbow etc... It just takes time, the final tournament will be the most high quality due to the amount of time and weeding of players occur before it. I disagree. Let me use White-Ra as an example. In order to qualify for pool play in MLG Raleigh he has to place at least 6th, and even then he's not guaranteed a spot. To end up top 6, at least one of the Korean players will have to drop a series. If White-Ra doesn't make it to top 6 he will once again have to go through the stacked open bracket in Raleigh. I can understand that they want to reward people who frequently take part in MLG tournaments, but at the moment it's just too hard to place high enough to even earn rank points while the players seeded in the pools earn points even if they lose every match they play. The real problem with the Rank Points system right now is that they're importing 4 Koreans each LAN that are pretty much assured a Top 16 finish. That's really eating up (and preventing knocking off) the weaker players in the Pools. That's clearly not the REAL problem. As an above poster said, if you are seeded from a previous tourney, you can lose EVERY game and still get points from the epic fail of a weekend. If the rank points from last years events decayed it wouldn't be a problem at all. Some of the players like Huk are benefiting from a strong showing last year since he hasn't attended all of the events, but others are riding the fact that they have earned points at every event so they have more points than better players even though they haven't had a good showing since Raleigh or DC last year. They keep getting points because it's almost automatic to earn points if you're already seeded. A few of the players have dropped down this event though so maybe the cleansing will continue and weed everyone out before providence.
Points for last year don't count for this year except for the first event.
If they did count, your national champion Jinro would have been in pool play.
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On July 31 2011 19:08 Fatalize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 19:07 Pwnographics wrote:On July 31 2011 19:05 Fatalize wrote:
Wait ...
Tod destroys Alicia but lose to Choya ?
And then Choya lose to Incontrol ? LOLWUT It's PvP, might as well flip a coin. Still. Tod destroyed a lot of people in the open bracket and then the loser's bracket but due to MLG system he'll have a worse rank than Incontrol who performed awfully .... quite sad really
MLG puts more value in beating high ranked players (which you do by being in pool) than supposedly lesser-quality players in the open bracket. ToD beat more players, true, but the qualities of those players cannot be compared to the quality of Incontrol's bracket.
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On July 31 2011 19:13 FXOpen wrote:
You guys are comparing a 1v1 match between 2 top players, and a marathon event that is the MLG...
As you approach the end of MLG, it becomes all about mental stamina. Someone like white-ra is known for having huge stamina and good skill, which is why he is a powerhouse.
Someone like, for arguments sake, spanishiwa (this isnt a direct criticism of him), would struggle in the later stages of such a tournament as he doesnt have the stamina experience.
July complained of the same thing at columbus, you just have to play so many tense games in such a short period of time, the actual mentally and physically stronger person tends to win on a close skill comparison.
This is the beauty of MLG but its also the beast of MLG. If you lose R6 winners open bracket, you then have to wait like 7 hours before playing another game, and there are no PC's to stay warm on.
And your mental stamina is drained just by being in that environment for so long. There need to be a few tweeks so that evrey single player can perform at their 100% best.
A longer event perhaps?
It would cause Logistics issues, but they really need to start around 2 pm on Friday, but I can imagine they don't want to do that for Local players getting there. Not sure there's any way to lengthen it all out. Not with the amount of rounds that are needed.
The National championships should have the double-sided brackets, without a pool, so I think that'll go a tad easier.
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On July 31 2011 19:13 Serthius wrote:
Did they never stream the DRG vs Tyler game? I can't seem to find it...
I think they were going to, but they started and ended before the casted match finished.
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Lol if all the Koreans came back after being invited, Pool Play would be like all Koreans + 2 Foreigners or so after like 3 events.
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as long as boxer doesnt have to face DRG, he got this! :D
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On July 31 2011 19:21 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 19:08 Fatalize wrote:On July 31 2011 19:07 Pwnographics wrote:On July 31 2011 19:05 Fatalize wrote:
Wait ...
Tod destroys Alicia but lose to Choya ?
And then Choya lose to Incontrol ? LOLWUT It's PvP, might as well flip a coin. Still. Tod destroyed a lot of people in the open bracket and then the loser's bracket but due to MLG system he'll have a worse rank than Incontrol who performed awfully .... quite sad really MLG puts more value in beating high ranked players (which you do by being in pool) than supposedly lesser-quality players in the open bracket. ToD beat more players, true, but the qualities of those players cannot be compared to the quality of Incontrol's bracket.
Fair enough, but it's still much harder to increase your rank than to lower it
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On July 31 2011 19:14 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 19:05 Fatalize wrote:
Wait ...
Tod destroys Alicia but lose to Choya ?
And then Choya lose to Incontrol ? LOLWUT Just shows PvP is a coin toss most of the time.
That or it shows that tod does not have the greatest stamina, as he said. Play SO many games, its hard man.
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On July 31 2011 19:25 Fatalize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 19:21 StyLeD wrote:On July 31 2011 19:08 Fatalize wrote:On July 31 2011 19:07 Pwnographics wrote:On July 31 2011 19:05 Fatalize wrote:
Wait ...
Tod destroys Alicia but lose to Choya ?
And then Choya lose to Incontrol ? LOLWUT It's PvP, might as well flip a coin. Still. Tod destroyed a lot of people in the open bracket and then the loser's bracket but due to MLG system he'll have a worse rank than Incontrol who performed awfully .... quite sad really MLG puts more value in beating high ranked players (which you do by being in pool) than supposedly lesser-quality players in the open bracket. ToD beat more players, true, but the qualities of those players cannot be compared to the quality of Incontrol's bracket. Fair enough, but it's still much harder to increase your rank than to lower it
It's not "fair enough". MLG isn't putting more value in beating higher ranked players. It's putting more value in losing to higher ranked players than it is to players winning against lower ranked players. Incontrol didn't beat any in the pool system. We have a few people who have won very little or not at all in pools who are still there.
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On July 31 2011 18:47 Andamanen wrote:Who is this wbc? He's the only one still in the bracket that I don't recognize. And great to see we'll be having another Incontrol-TLO match this MLG
Just realized WBC = Wannabecool. He's having a great MLG.
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On July 31 2011 19:28 Andamanen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2011 18:47 Andamanen wrote:Who is this wbc? He's the only one still in the bracket that I don't recognize. And great to see we'll be having another Incontrol-TLO match this MLG Just realized WBC = Wannabecool. He's having a great MLG.
Apparently he did well at Columbus as well.
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oh man the bracket makes me SO EXITED :D if BoxeR beats Rain (and he can) and DRG beats MVP, we will have a epic match, followed by hopefully a repeat finals between the 2, and it's a total win-win situation!
DRG wins = gets code S and everybody goes nuts
Boxer wins = BOXER WINS IS EPIC BY DEFAULT :D
seriously, sc2 gods if you are there, make these finals happen :D doesn't even matter if one of them gets smashed!
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Wow, Rain comes from the Open Bracket and got a 5-0? I don't like the guy but seems impressive! How did he play?
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