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oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#881
Damn... poor IdrA. O_O
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#882
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.


funny how you just overlook the IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio part that I wrote first...lmao. Then I see your signature and I understand everything lolol thanks bro! made my day! no wonder you were so uptight and jumpy ^^ Maybe one day we can hold a civil conversation...when IdrA wins.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#883
On June 16 2011 12:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.

And again, you proove to be a hater im pretty sure calling someone ' moron ' in a middle of a discussion is being childish. Maybe you're childish aswell and dont comprehend this kind of things

so we're not able to argue using the highest level of examples to prove that ZvZ isn't a coinflip when nestea is playing against the other best players in korea?

not even sure what to say at this point

Read what i said about nestea, hes pretty good but hes lost vs other zerg because of coin flips .
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#884
On June 16 2011 12:09 Mallard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:06 SoKHo wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:04 Mallard wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:00 storm44 wrote:
I don't get why idra acts like a 12 year old all the time,, really he can't type gg?


It is not fucking mandatory to type gg at the end of the game. There is no rule in this tournament. Some tournaments include rules for it but that is forced sportsmanship it is completely stupid.

If you personally do not consider it a good game then you should not say so. If you do then it is completely disingenuous. How is that sportsmanship?


Have you ever played sports?? probably not from what you typed. It is considered rude by the acknowledging the other player(s) with a handshake. Shouldn't be different from sc2



I played football all throughout highschool. Used to line up after the game and do handshakes/highfives and say "good game" to every player. There were times where we had awesome games and I would say good game. There were times where we blew out the other team 45-0. This did not feel like a good game at all. I didn't patronize them by saying good game.

Handshake, sure, but a handshake does not mean good game. The term "gg" directly means good game. So it is very different in SC2.

You can't just leave it to the direct meaning of "gg". The term has a long history and special tradition and has evolved into a virtual handshake - at least in tournament matches.
Look at how it is perceived by the community: Which player (especially korean) doesn't gg? What is the reaction to "no gg"? That is what counts.
Idra is just ignorant and BM not to gg frequently. That`s my view and that of many other, possibly not yours. Up to Idra how he wants to be seen.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#885
IdrA new that Zenio is unpredictable so when he got lair tech why didn't he research ovi speed? He has said in interviews that you should do it! That proves that idrA played risky (not beeing aware of what zenio was doing) and zenio took advantage of that with mutas. Pretty simple.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Kanuck
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#886
The best part is: IdrA left Korea to compete in easier tournaments with a still large prize pool. And as soon as he does, Koreans start participating in western tournaments. lol IdrA.


Although i will say thers merit to the IdrA earns money from BM, especially since his streaming pulls in more cash than if he won most of these tournaments anyways,
There is no failure. Only feedback.
landmarktiger
Profile Joined April 2011
226 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#887
Im curious as to what EGs sponsors think of idras behaviour. Are they supportive of him behaving like this and representing their brand in such a manner?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#888
On June 16 2011 12:15 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


Because nobody has tried coin-flip builds against nestea in GSL, they play games with skill instead of luck.

Dimaga did it in the GSL world championship, and beat NesTea with a 10 pool

See my point here?


they most certainly have

I also remember when kyrix did a 7 pool and pulled drones TWICE against losira to what should have been a hard counter to 15 hatch and he held it off both times

Also, idra held off the initial 10 pool and brought it back to even until the second attack won it for zenio
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#889
What is this talk about coinflips? Do you people watch the games? There was no coinflip today.
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#890
On June 16 2011 12:18 caruso wrote:
I'm clearly no professional gamer, but shouldn't you be able to tell from your opponent's army size, his expansion timing and the upgrades on his roaches, that something is up when an amount like 1.300 gas are stacked off of twobase?

IdrA didn't scout enough that game imo
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#891
On June 16 2011 12:18 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.


funny how you just overlook the IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio part that I wrote first...lmao. Then I see your signature and I understand everything lolol thanks bro! made my day! no wonder you were so uptight and jumpy ^^ Maybe one day we can hold a civil conversation...when IdrA wins.


No because im sure when idra wins you wont be writting in here coz you have no reason to post .
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#892
On June 16 2011 12:03 Klamity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:00 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why is there so much idra bashing? people obviously dont understand what just happened


When the casters don't understand ZvZ, you can't expect the derpy LR threads to.


I don't disagree with you on the casters. They didn't really understand how Zenio was able to get away with the Mutalisk. Hell, they didn't understand much of it at all.

Moving out with the queen, in hindsight, was brilliant and should have tipped IdrA off. It essentially forced him to move all of his overlords away. This may have been the reason he forgot to scout with an Overseer. Second, that Zenio kept his units actively prodding at IdrA's front was also great. It kept him on his back foot and Zenio lulled IdrA into thinking he could play a very safe macro game.

Zenio's defense on the roach counter was also brilliant.


This! Zenio played that brilliantly.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#893
excuses lol

zenio-idra 6-0

bm doesnt impress me, korean play does tho.

/thread
*burp*
Sukari
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia183 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#894
On June 16 2011 12:14 GuiMontag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:14 Burn2Memory wrote:
I don't understand how idra expects to compete with koreans if he only practices 3 hours a day.



He doesn't, thats why he left Korea....


And how the Koreans have come to NA; he can't get away from it!

And lol @ the NBA-IdrA analogies
ezpzlmnsqzy | SlayerS hwaiting~!
Asca
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil14 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#895
Gg, Zenio was the best one in today's set, but I bet IdrA can beat him as well. Maybe another day.
AustinCM
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada275 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#896
Seriously, he just didn't GG, he wasn't like trying to insult him. He likely felt he had a retarded BO loss in the first round and in the 2nd just blames himself for not scouting and is really pissed he did that to himself.
"Somewhere, Something incredible is waiting to be known." -Carl Sagan
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#897
On June 16 2011 12:14 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:57 dafunk wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:53 Slardar wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:53 Stress wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:49 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:48 Stress wrote:
Idra is capable of being one of the best players in the world but his arrogance is just becoming annoying now(since MLG Columbus).


Zenio did a coin flip 9pool and was lucky enough to get the position to scout idra first.

How is idra arrogant to say he didn't earn it?


From Idras point of view, anything that isn't "standard" is basically garbage, when it is actually completely viable. He is just getting all worked up because people don't play the way he wishes they would.


Did Idra bm or say anything after the game 1 loss to the 9 pool?


Not saying GG is bm. What else do you want ? It's like any social thing we perform with other people. You don't always see the point or feel like not doing it, but you hurt people by not doing it. It's called respect.

Ever heard of it ?
Try not to say "thank you" in your life ever again and I'm sure you'll run into a lot of issues.
It's not always what you say but what you arn't.


You misunderstood, I just got home so I didn't know what happened I was just clarifying to find out.



my bad...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#898
On June 16 2011 12:19 landmarktiger wrote:
Im curious as to what EGs sponsors think of idras behaviour. Are they supportive of him behaving like this and representing their brand in such a manner?


they know. they dont care. otherwise, they wouldnt sponsor him. with the amount of attention he gets, they are getting more advertisement for their goods.
lithium3n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States74 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#899
On June 16 2011 12:15 cheesemaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:09 Irave wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:06 MechKing wrote:
Idra really needs to start practicing more than 3 hours a day. That won't cut it, no matter how good you were at BW.

As true as that is, it gets to the point where practicing too much against what you have to compete with is wasted practice. He got eliminated from the NASL, people want to forget that he just placed 4th at MLG. Its pretty obvious people just want to troll to try and get a reaction from Idra fans, its just really annoying. I'm not a big Idra fan but he is basically one of the best if not the best NA has to offer as a player.

I am slowly starting to disagree about him being the best NA has to offer, sure when he was fresh out of korea maybe, but with the amount he is practicing he will slowly start to fall further and further behind as other NA players surpass him, i would argue that some already have or are at least on equal footing, and obviously he has fallen quite a ways behind the korean skill level as we can see he is having difficulty beating pretty much any korean these days. Sure he took 2 games off of MC but since its extended series he didnt really win the Match he won 2 sets and then MC came back and took 4 off of him. Not to say that isnt impressive but MC defenetly was not playing his best in the first game of the tournament with hardly any sleep and no preparation as he only knew he was going to be participating in MLG a few hours before he had to head to the airport.


Practice makes perfect, every top athlete, nobel prize winning scientists, awarded and widely acknowledged person does it. It's obvious that Idra doesn't have the passion for sc2, when he streams for ad revenue by lots of /commercials, competes solely for the money, and finally doesn't respect the people that made sc2 what it is today.

If he expects to win more titles, he'll need to be more passionate, practice harder, and respect the game. It's simple as that, I'm pretty sure all the top players have this mentality.
BFCrimson
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#900
Jeeze I understand some of the comments harping of IdrA for his attitude but I just have to laugh when I read about him having some sort of responsibility to do the super important tasks of GGing or "respecting" his opponents. Give me a break, the only responsibility he has to his fans and the tournament is to try to win his games, and not a single person can say he doesn't do that. Esports is serious and personal business apparently!
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