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Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
June 16 2011 03:14 GMT
#861
On June 16 2011 12:10 EchelonTee wrote:
so in the NASL, idra, the NA zerg hero, is unable to qualify for grand finals? Dam something is up with this format


The format is fine. Something is up with IdrA.
"I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something." - R. Feynman
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
June 16 2011 03:14 GMT
#862
On June 16 2011 11:57 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:53 Slardar wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:53 Stress wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:49 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:48 Stress wrote:
Idra is capable of being one of the best players in the world but his arrogance is just becoming annoying now(since MLG Columbus).


Zenio did a coin flip 9pool and was lucky enough to get the position to scout idra first.

How is idra arrogant to say he didn't earn it?


From Idras point of view, anything that isn't "standard" is basically garbage, when it is actually completely viable. He is just getting all worked up because people don't play the way he wishes they would.


Did Idra bm or say anything after the game 1 loss to the 9 pool?


Not saying GG is bm. What else do you want ? It's like any social thing we perform with other people. You don't always see the point or feel like not doing it, but you hurt people by not doing it. It's called respect.

Ever heard of it ?
Try not to say "thank you" in your life ever again and I'm sure you'll run into a lot of issues.
It's not always what you say but what you arn't.


You misunderstood, I just got home so I didn't know what happened I was just clarifying to find out.
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#863
On June 16 2011 12:09 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:06 MechKing wrote:
Idra really needs to start practicing more than 3 hours a day. That won't cut it, no matter how good you were at BW.

As true as that is, it gets to the point where practicing too much against what you have to compete with is wasted practice. He got eliminated from the NASL, people want to forget that he just placed 4th at MLG. Its pretty obvious people just want to troll to try and get a reaction from Idra fans, its just really annoying. I'm not a big Idra fan but he is basically one of the best if not the best NA has to offer as a player.

I am slowly starting to disagree about him being the best NA has to offer, sure when he was fresh out of korea maybe, but with the amount he is practicing he will slowly start to fall further and further behind as other NA players surpass him, i would argue that some already have or are at least on equal footing, and obviously he has fallen quite a ways behind the korean skill level as we can see he is having difficulty beating pretty much any korean these days. Sure he took 2 games off of MC but since its extended series he didnt really win the Match he won 2 sets and then MC came back and took 4 off of him. Not to say that isnt impressive but MC defenetly was not playing his best in the first game of the tournament with hardly any sleep and no preparation as he only knew he was going to be participating in MLG a few hours before he had to head to the airport.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#864
Thread reminds me of that one where Bisu lost to Shine 0-2 when he was meant to be the 2nd best player in BW
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#865
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


Because nobody has tried coin-flip builds against nestea in GSL, they play games with skill instead of luck.

Dimaga did it in the GSL world championship, and beat NesTea with a 10 pool

See my point here?
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Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#866
On June 16 2011 12:08 cheesemaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:07 Blacktion wrote:
Zenio has 14 mutas grouped together.
Idra casts fungal growth, hits 1 of them.
"Earn your GG"
He seriously needs to sort his shit out, no big wins for ages, BMs when he loses and cries imba.
I wouldnt be bothered if he was some no name but the most famous players have a respnsibility to the game to make it interesting and exciting. Idra does pretty much the oposite of these things.
Also, not sure how it works with the playoffs, is idra out of the whole thing now?

yep hes completely out until next season.

Good. As long as idra whines imbalance when he loses, especially when his play is mediocre, im gonna continue to pray that he doesn't get close to a major title.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:16:13
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#867
where will I get all the bm joy now the biggest target has been taken out?
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#868
On June 16 2011 12:11 Nagano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:09 fartdra wrote:
idra is the lebron of sc2


Sadly, this is a good analogy for the gracken.

Lebron is actually top tier, which Idra never really was ( i.e GSL/courage finalist/semi-finalist tier).
TooL
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada275 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#869
On June 16 2011 12:10 branflakes14 wrote:
Whenever I read MrBitter's posts I can always hear it in his voice.


Haha, me too.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
June 16 2011 03:15 GMT
#870
On June 16 2011 12:12 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


No im masters ez.

you clearly don't have an understanding of this game if you think that was a BO win and you're clearly a hater.

nice try though.



So you aren't actually masters but you assume you would be if you played?
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
June 16 2011 03:16 GMT
#871
On June 16 2011 12:07 Blacktion wrote:
Zenio has 14 mutas grouped together.
Idra casts fungal growth, hits 1 of them.
"Earn your GG"
He seriously needs to sort his shit out, no big wins for ages, BMs when he loses and cries imba.
I wouldnt be bothered if he was some no name but the most famous players have a respnsibility to the game to make it interesting and exciting. Idra does pretty much the oposite of these things.
Also, not sure how it works with the playoffs, is idra out of the whole thing now?


That's not entirely fair. While I agree Idra should have gg'd Boxer because he's Boxer in addition to the general desirability of showing good manners, his BM like this is always entertaining and maintain interest in Idra win or lose. Just look at the old HD/Husky games of Idra and they have 50% or more additional views than the rest of their videos. How many other players do people really watch to see them go down in flames (maybe TheBest)? Yeah there was excitement with foreigners vs Koreans at MLG, but that was just rooting for the underdog / home team, etc., plus a little bit of anti-MC fans as he's probably the most drama-inducing Korean in SC2 atm.
taintmachine
Profile Joined May 2010
United States431 Posts
June 16 2011 03:16 GMT
#872
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.


i haven't kept up with zenio's status in the GSL, but he used to have very good ZvZ. i would say he was second only to nestea for a while.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
June 16 2011 03:16 GMT
#873
On June 16 2011 12:15 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


Because nobody has tried coin-flip builds against nestea in GSL, they play games with skill instead of luck.

Dimaga did it in the GSL world championship, and beat NesTea with a 10 pool

See my point here?



Exactly what I said, but im gonna stop trying to discuss with people that dont seem to have a clue what they're talking about they just make hate comments no matter what.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
June 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#874
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.

And again, you proove to be a hater im pretty sure calling someone ' moron ' in a middle of a discussion is being childish. Maybe you're childish aswell and dont comprehend this kind of things

so we're not able to argue using the highest level of examples to prove that ZvZ isn't a coinflip when nestea is playing against the other best players in korea?

not even sure what to say at this point
PieLieDie
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden172 Posts
June 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#875
On June 16 2011 12:09 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:06 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:02 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:01 Moralez wrote:
ZvZ is just random shit, idra should just go terran like morrow. ZvZ is just a coinflip.


orly? tell that to mr. nestea.

people stop spewing idiocy!!!!!!


First : Manner up kido.

And second, nestea lost some games recently vs some random zerg because of random coin flipping Nestea is just way better and way smarter than any other zerg.


lol I am just trying to help you out because you need it. You say that Nestea is way better and smarter than any other zerg but you also say that ZvZ is just a coin-flip. wtf? if ZvZ is a 50-50 coin-flip then why does it matter that Nestea is smarter and way better than any zerg? I do not see your logic.

Look at Nestea's ZvZ record and then come back to me kiddo* :D


ok stupid try this, MC is 85% win in PvP and is that a coin flip? YES
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
June 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#876
On June 16 2011 12:16 taintmachine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.


i haven't kept up with zenio's status in the GSL, but he used to have very good ZvZ. i would say he was second only to nestea for a while.


ye im not trying to say zenio is bad at zvz he's pretty damn good.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
June 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#877
On June 16 2011 12:10 EchelonTee wrote:
so in the NASL, idra, the NA zerg hero, is unable to qualify for grand finals? Dam something is up with this format


Or maybe he just didn't perform to a high enough standard, so didn't deserve to qualify. Like it matters if you're the NA hero or not. It's all about results.

This is one of the fairest competitions out there. You play a minimum of 18 times to earn your spot, and up to 27. Even more if you go through the play offs. It's not like you play a BO1 once and are knocked out. If you didn't qualify, then you just didn't deserve it this time around. Sorry.

Better luck next time Greg. Goodluck in NASL Season 2.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
June 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#878
On June 16 2011 12:14 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Golgotha wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:10 Moralez wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:09 jj33 wrote:
hahahaha moralez,

you are such a moron

zenio outplayed idra so bad in game 2. and yea he's so lucky to beat idra like everytime, maybe zenio should play the lottery.

like i said, I bet you're in bronze. you don't even know what a "build order" win is. newbs like you probably never watched bw and have 0 understanding of rts in general.



Im pretty sure mods will be watching this type of childish comments.

And no Im top 8 masters, maybe you're the one in bronze


lol moralez sorry if we offended you but just because we are bringing up legit arguments against you doesn't mean they are childish :D

I mean come on, if ZvZ is such a coin flip then how come IdrA is 0-6 to Zenio? if ZvZ is a coin flip then why isn't Nestea's GSL ZvZ win-rate 50%? Think before you talk.


So you're using Nestea ( best zerg in the world) to compensate all the others? lol dude just stop trying.

And again, you proove to be a hater im pretty sure calling someone ' moron ' in a middle of a discussion is being childish. Maybe you're childish aswell and dont comprehend this kind of things


Again moralez apperantly you can't read.. He also used the consistency of Zenio vs IdrA series 6-0... I think the ''moron'' is well deserved in this case.
banelings
caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#879
I'm clearly no professional gamer, but shouldn't you be able to tell from your opponent's army size, his expansion timing and the upgrades on his roaches, that something is up when an amount like 1.300 gas are stacked off of twobase?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#880
On June 16 2011 12:14 iamho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:08 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:04 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why is there so much idra bashing? people obviously dont understand what just happened

I ain't surprised to see a hater of actually good players like Polt or MKP being a IdrA fancutsy, to be honest it makes total sense.


I'm not a hater of any pro gamers but I don't disagree with Idra's no-gg, he has nothing to gain from typing it and everything to gain from not-typing it. If he had said gg and left the game both times do you think the LR thread would be blowing up like this?

Like I said, chances are Machine just stole his g key.

Sure he has something to gain from typing it, it's called respect, ask actual progammers around instead of american teenagers and you will know what respected people think of Idra.


he apparently prefers money over respect. and everyone time he bm's someone, he creates a shit-ton of hype for himself, which turns into money for his pocket. smartest thing he can do is keeping bm'ing everyone to make more money.


Do you really think IdrA bms because he's trying to create hype for himself? He bms because he's pissed and raging hard behind his computer. He was like that even in BW when being popular didn't make him any $$.


no. i think he is upset. but at the end of the day, if he couldnt make money because of his bm, he would stop it. as of now, i think he is making more money with his bm because of how much attention he gets. any publicity is good publicity. idra bms and fifteen new threads are made.
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