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On June 13 2011 17:33 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 17:29 Imres wrote:On June 13 2011 17:24 Mycl wrote:On June 13 2011 17:21 Imres wrote:
I'm the only one to think that there is possible consequences for the relationship between EG and Koreans? Imo they won't take it likely and it seems rather possible that they extend this to EG. Which would result in? I'm just curious on what exactly that means. I was thinking about two parts : relationship between the players (MC already troll Idra, imo it'll not be alone next time), and futur Korean events where there is some kind of invites. GOM has always known Idra is BM. It didn't stop them throwing him in as the opening match back in GSL 1. Also didn't stop them from having that good-bye video when he left Korea. As of right now I think GOM would love to have Idra back in their tournaments. Not saying GG to Boxer in some foreign tournament would not swing their opinion that easily.
Especially because idra's attitude brings attention to the tournament. The sheer fact that he's BM sometimes brings in a large number of viewers, be they fans or haters.
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Man... disappointed in the double no GG.
I think some people posting here don't realize who Boxer is really in the e-sports scene.. he is the godfather of starcraft and e-sports. Probably close to everything we enjoy right now- the professional sc2 scene, teamliquid, etc- wouldn't exist the way it does if it weren't for boxer.
Also typing gg carries more meaning than just saying the game itself was good, it's a show of respect for opponent that you played.
I don't think idra actually wanted to disrespect boxer, i don't think he's that stupid or ignorant. My guess is that he was mad at the map (and i guess blizzard too for making the map that way? lol) and just was frustrated enough to not type gg against Boxer.
Really pathetic self control though from idra, but not a surprise i guess..
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On June 13 2011 17:34 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 17:33 Mycl wrote:On June 13 2011 17:29 Imres wrote:On June 13 2011 17:24 Mycl wrote:On June 13 2011 17:21 Imres wrote:
I'm the only one to think that there is possible consequences for the relationship between EG and Koreans? Imo they won't take it likely and it seems rather possible that they extend this to EG. Which would result in? I'm just curious on what exactly that means. I was thinking about two parts : relationship between the players (MC already troll Idra, imo it'll not be alone next time), and futur Korean events where there is some kind of invites. GOM has always known Idra is BM. It didn't stop them throwing him in as the opening match back in GSL 1. Also didn't stop them from having that good-bye video when he left Korea. As of right now I think GOM would love to have Idra back in their tournaments. Not saying GG to Boxer in some foreign tournament would not swing their opinion that easily. Especially because idra's attitude brings attention to the tournament. The sheer fact that he's BM sometimes brings in a large number of viewers, be they fans or haters.
Before that he didn't bm pro Kor in tournaments, that's a step in a bad direction imo. And GOM monopoly will not last forever, (2years no ?) and I'm not sure that the other organizations will be as much foreigner friendly as GOM.
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On June 13 2011 17:37 Namu wrote:
Man... disappointed in the double no GG.
I think some people posting here don't realize who Boxer is really in the e-sports scene.. he is the godfather of starcraft and e-sports. Probably close to everything we enjoy right now- the professional sc2 scene, teamliquid, etc- wouldn't exist the way it does if it weren't for boxer.
Also typing gg carries more meaning than just saying the game itself was good, it's a show of respect for opponent that you played.
I don't think idra actually wanted to disrespect boxer, i don't think he's that stupid or ignorant. My guess is that he was mad at the map (and i guess blizzard too for making the map that way? lol) and just was frustrated enough to not type gg against Boxer.
Really pathetic self control though from idra, but not a surprise i guess..
Join date february 22, 2011.
I realize this is probably pretty rude and pointless but I find it silly that so many people who joined the starcraft community because of starcraft 2 speak as though they know everything. People really just need to drop it, there's no reason this should get so much attention.
Yes it was boxer, and you should GG him, but no this isn't some huge inexcusable event that should cause the end of idra's korea career (gosh I'm tired). People are playing this off like it's a sign of the apocalypse.
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idras not going to GG when he played terrible in both games and he knew he should have won at least one of them.
game 1: he loses his spine to cut off reinforcements when the bunkers are up and he should have delayed so that spine got up, and then he tries to surround the two bunkers and loses his lings so he will lose expansion while T safely expands so easy win for boxer.
game 2: he atked into a choke and he knew he had to wait for broodlords but of course was tilted by game 1 i bet and he got trigger happy. He was probably kicking himself for not waiting for the Broodlords.
also idk i don't see no gg as disrespect when Idra knows he didn't play a "good game".
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On June 13 2011 17:37 Imres wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 17:34 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 13 2011 17:33 Mycl wrote:On June 13 2011 17:29 Imres wrote:On June 13 2011 17:24 Mycl wrote:On June 13 2011 17:21 Imres wrote:
I'm the only one to think that there is possible consequences for the relationship between EG and Koreans? Imo they won't take it likely and it seems rather possible that they extend this to EG. Which would result in? I'm just curious on what exactly that means. I was thinking about two parts : relationship between the players (MC already troll Idra, imo it'll not be alone next time), and futur Korean events where there is some kind of invites. GOM has always known Idra is BM. It didn't stop them throwing him in as the opening match back in GSL 1. Also didn't stop them from having that good-bye video when he left Korea. As of right now I think GOM would love to have Idra back in their tournaments. Not saying GG to Boxer in some foreign tournament would not swing their opinion that easily. Especially because idra's attitude brings attention to the tournament. The sheer fact that he's BM sometimes brings in a large number of viewers, be they fans or haters. Before that he didn't bm pro Kor in tournaments, that's a step in a bad direction imo. And GOM monopoly will not last forever, (2years no ?) and I'm not sure that the other organizations will be as much foreigner friendly as GOM.
Idra doesn't really ever not gg in LAN tournaments. The only time I didn't see him gg at an MLG was when he lost to huk, but he gg'd vs everyone else (at least from what I saw).
So I"m pretty sure if he was still playing in GSL and he had lost to boxer like that he'd have gg'd. Just online tournaments Idra I am pretty sure will never gg unless its vs like ret maybe or something.
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Haha, Idra lost but the fact he didn't gg made him win.
I swear this guy has a full time public relation employee that follow him everywhere.
"Here, don't gg so people will forget that you lost and just talk about the nogg"
"Here, quit that won game so you'll have an excuse for non winning that title"
This guy is a freaking PR genius xD
It's possible that idra knew he couldn't qualify so sacrificed himself for the greater good.
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On June 13 2011 17:41 d(O.o)a wrote:
Yes it was boxer, and you should GG him, but no this isn't some huge inexcusable event that should cause the end of idra's korea career (gosh I'm tired). People are playing this off like it's a sign of the apocalypse.
its not just this, this is about the 20th "concern" within the past 2 months, along with multiple MLG events with middle fingers involved. It just keeps getting worse and worse
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On June 13 2011 17:58 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 17:41 d(O.o)a wrote:
Yes it was boxer, and you should GG him, but no this isn't some huge inexcusable event that should cause the end of idra's korea career (gosh I'm tired). People are playing this off like it's a sign of the apocalypse. its not just this, this is about the 20th "concern" within the past 2 months, along with multiple MLG events with middle fingers involved. It just keeps getting worse and worse
maybe because people constantly ceremony him? huk..MC..and it might not be a ceremony but the guy that was part of MLG and Idra not knowing was a accident but i guess you can throw that in also.
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Ah, another very easy win seals top spot for BoxeR  Hoping he can get far in the final stages!
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As an IdrA fan I've been really dissapointed in him lately. I love it when he BMs people I also think are bad and all that, but to the most famous Starcraft Player??? He knows the consequences of his actions. That's like playing a match with an aged pete sampras and refusing to shake his hand because of how bad he beat you. Feelings aside have some respect for the legends yanno? First MLG and now this >.>
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On June 13 2011 17:53 MrCon wrote:
This guy is a freaking PR genius xD
Thats what I think of Idra too. :p
Not GGing will enhance the already strong image of him. And as long as people likes him (hell, love is probably a better word) for what he does, he has no reason to ever stop.
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On June 13 2011 17:41 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 17:37 Namu wrote:
Man... disappointed in the double no GG.
I think some people posting here don't realize who Boxer is really in the e-sports scene.. he is the godfather of starcraft and e-sports. Probably close to everything we enjoy right now- the professional sc2 scene, teamliquid, etc- wouldn't exist the way it does if it weren't for boxer.
Also typing gg carries more meaning than just saying the game itself was good, it's a show of respect for opponent that you played.
I don't think idra actually wanted to disrespect boxer, i don't think he's that stupid or ignorant. My guess is that he was mad at the map (and i guess blizzard too for making the map that way? lol) and just was frustrated enough to not type gg against Boxer.
Really pathetic self control though from idra, but not a surprise i guess.. Join date february 22, 2011. I realize this is probably pretty rude and pointless but I find it silly that so many people who joined the starcraft community because of starcraft 2 speak as though they know everything. People really just need to drop it, there's no reason this should get so much attention. Yes it was boxer, and you should GG him, but no this isn't some huge inexcusable event that should cause the end of idra's korea career (gosh I'm tired). People are playing this off like it's a sign of the apocalypse.
Oh, you talking like people can't play SC without TL account :o
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What amazes me is that fact that Idra is actually popular. There are so many great personalities like Incontrol, Sheth, Tyler etc and yet you cheer for this guy? Giving him attention just encourages him to keep going on like this.
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On June 13 2011 15:49 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 15:09 Fubi wrote:
Lol why are people complaining that two rax opening with a bunker = cheese? It is a pretty standard opening nowadays against Zerg. Seriously. So tired of these idra zerg whiner fanboys who call any strategy that doesn't let zerg build nothing but drones for 10+minutes and autowin with a 200vs100 supply "skill-less cheese" and act like the zerg is always so much more "skilled" just because of the basic playstyle of the race. Banshees? "cheese". Helion harass? "Cheese". Marine + tank 2 base push? "Cheese". Basically any strategy that wont let zerg play as greedy as they want and max out minutes ahead of their opponent is apparently skillless cheese, in this realtime STRATEGY game. Not realtime simcity game. Macro is great and all, but denying macro is a part of the game too and a well balanced approach that embraces, utilizes and prepares for all aspects and timings is the most strategic despite what the wannabe-elitist whiners here claim. Fact is, I'm no pro gamer and even I know that hey, boxer does this 2rax proxy poke/push all the time then floats back. I knew before the games that it was a likely strat and I'm not the guy whos supposed to be preparing for my opponent. So if idra's pathetic teenage bad manners are some how "ok" because boxer did proxy 2 raxes then you fanboys clearly don't understand how competitions or strategy games work. Idra should be raging and badmannering himself if anyone for not doing even the most basic of research necessary to know that boxer does this opening all the damn time and to be prepared for it. Youd think an allegedly great and smart player would understand this basic concept of knowing your opponent and not acting like any strategy that doesnt just let you do whatever the hell you want all game isn't worth being ready for. Not to mention, 2rax didnt even win boxer the game in game 2 it was a longer "macro" game so its can't even be given as an excuse not to gg. Anyone with half a brain can see what idra is trying to do with his pathetic game quits and bad manner, hes trying to portray the notion that no one beats him "fairly", he never gets outplayed or outthought or outmicroed, he only loses cause of "cheese" or "imba" (which is obviously not really true) and his pathetic self-serving definition of the two are in reality any strategy that he wasnt prepared for or which screws up what he was planning to do as if this is a single player game where hes the only player that matters. Its a pathetic attitude and unfortunately his attempt to get some of you on board with it really seems to be working with people now defending his badmanner/early rage quits. Thats why idra will never as great as people want him to be or act like he is, because he is too arrogant and immature. Honestly, he would be better off doing something like setting world record high scores in a single player game like donkey kong, where he can always play the game how he wants to rather than have to adapt to the opponents he thinks he's better than just cause hes somewhat mastered ONE aspect of the game that he snobbishly thinks is the only important one (macroing).
qft
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Great to see Boxer doing well, too bad the thread was allowed to be derailed with all this nonsense
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On June 13 2011 14:24 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 14:18 namedplayer wrote:
seeems like Idra is overrated.
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he is not the best foreigner anymore.. Thorzain is. Idra isn't the best foreigner. To prove this fact, I will point out that he has lost many matches to people who are not foreigners.
Beating other foreigners does not make you the best foreigner... the one that does best against the koreans is the best foreigner.
Idra isn't the best foreigner, because other foreigners have done better than him, you say idra was the best foreigner since beta, but I find that hard to argue for. He is the best american, sure, but during jinros run with 2x top4 in GSL and beating him every headtohead I dont see how you can claim idra was better than jinro at that time? And nowadays there are several other non-koreans who show better performance than him; Naniwa, thorzain, sen, even huk is doing fine in korea now.
Anyways, people always exaggerate everything when it comes to idra, and to a point, when it comes to boxer as well. So I guess it's not a surprise that these things blow up in this manner. Personally I think that it is disrespectful by idra to not gg, but he is always like that so, nothing new there...
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On June 13 2011 13:09 Nightmarishpie wrote:
Yeah really, what's the big deal if he doesn't GG? If I'm pissed and lost a game whatever it is, a sport, Starcraft, god knows what, I'm not going to congratulate the opponent. I don't see the big deal.
I feel sorry for you and for anyone who doesn't know what being a good sportsman and sportsmanship means and the value it brings to any game.
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