Can't blame Nerchio ... 4 bases to 2, huge supply lead and the proper unit mix to deal with blink stalkers. He didn't make many mistakes that I could see.

But because there are 5 zealots and 2 immortals the composition falls apart completely and he has absolutely no solution.

Actually been having the same problem myself and seen a lot of pros have it, what is the solution to properly executed blink stalker play ? Ling/roach or ling/hydra with infestors do alright against pure stalker but as soon as a couple robo units and either zealots or sentries come out that all gets annihilated.

Not a balance whine, I am just genuinely confused as to the solution to that problem and a lot of pros seem to be too.

Nerchio

Poland2633 Posts

July 03 2011 01:04 GMT

#347

Just kidding. I hope people realise zerg is still unplayable ^^ whole map vs 2 base protoss and you still can't kill blink stalkers.

Noocta

France12578 Posts

July 03 2011 01:04 GMT

#348

I can understand Nerchio. I'm not whinning about it but losing a game like that, because you can't do anything to be cost efficient vs blink is frustrating as hell.

snafoo

New Zealand1615 Posts

July 03 2011 01:04 GMT

#349

MKP making this look like his game vs TheBest.... making stuff and sending it at his opponent and winning.

jmbthirteen

United States10734 Posts

July 03 2011 01:05 GMT

#350

On July 03 2011 10:01 rauk wrote:
somehow khaldor manages to be a zillion times more entertaining in german than 99% of english casters for me and i can't even understand a single word

I was thinking this exact same thing.

MechKing

United States3004 Posts

July 03 2011 01:05 GMT

#351

On July 03 2011 10:04 Nerchio wrote:
Just kidding. I hope people realise zerg is still unplayable ^^ whole map vs 2 base protoss and you still can't kill blink stalkers.

Awwww, would've loved seeing you as T

You played well man, better luck next time ^^

HydroXy

United States513 Posts

July 03 2011 01:05 GMT

#352

Yeah, MKP rolled through Sjow pretty handily.

frequency

Australia1901 Posts

July 03 2011 01:06 GMT

#353

Coming soon: Winner bracket semi finals

GuMihofOu <Map> IMYonghwa

Miragee

8716 Posts

July 03 2011 01:06 GMT

#354

On July 03 2011 09:56 lunchforthesky wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 03 2011 09:52 Miragee wrote:

On July 03 2011 09:37 lunchforthesky wrote:

On July 03 2011 09:33 hewley wrote:

On July 03 2011 09:26 Nerchio wrote:
Looking at Morrow's game now, the only words come to my mind: 2rax korean is too strong for foreigners. I don't see many ways you can stop it without being behind.

But in Morrow's case. He was way to greedy tbh. 20marines standing in front of his base and he makes drones. I more feel like that foreigners lose because of lack of scouting because they sometimes rely on "western" metagame and aren't used to Korean timings.

This is definitely true in Europe. In general EU has a lot of it's own unique things which exist either only in EU meta game or are far more common.

Examples include going full Mech in TvT or TvZ
Mass Brood/Infestor slow pushing as Zerg
Expanding in PvP.
Ling/Bane/Infestor in ZvP

There's probably other quirks but these are the most obvious and a lot work great if you're both playing EU style, but it often gets completely shut down by Korean style which is generally just attacking all game. EU pro's tend to be a lot more passive than Koreans.

1. Mech in korea is far more evolved than it is in EU/NA I think. There are some players like Goody which have very defined mech builds but not quiet the multitasking/apm to exeute it right. In TvZ some mech build out of korea were very stront, but maybe it was because it catched the oponent offguard. TvT mech seems to catch up as a standard strat in TvT.

2. You're right. It is an ugly zerg style that doesn't work if the zerg doesn't have an huge eco lead while going into late game, so it usually shouldn't work.

3. Some time in korea there are expansions. :p

4. Ah I don't know about that. I remember to see that style rarely but sometimes it was succesful.

On July 03 2011 09:41 lunchforthesky wrote:

On July 03 2011 09:39 PartyBiscuit wrote:

On July 03 2011 09:37 PigglyWinks wrote:
It's amazing how many times Koreans drop a game but end up winning 2-1. At MLG, at Dreamhack, here.

I think it shows that many top foreigners are quite capable of taking games off top Koreans, they just have a tough time keeping that consistency in taking an entire series.

It's often the first game they lose, generally because the foreigner knows the Korean's style but he doesn't know the foreigners. So they play the first game the foreigner catches him off guard and then the Korean thinks, "Oh, he plays that style, okay", and then he wins the next two games no problem.

That might be the case.

Some Korean's definitely do use all those strats but you don't get them anywhere near as much. Imagine trying infestor/brood versus MMA. You would have no hatcheries left if he saw you even think about trying that crap.

You point out the point where I agreed with you. :p I think you can be more sure about the viability of a style if you see koreans use them. Not always of course.

Nerchio will switch his race, discuss!

Sad tourney for zerg players with IdrA and Sen declined though. Could be much more interesting.

Exstasy

United Kingdom393 Posts

July 03 2011 01:06 GMT

#355

only 2 series to go MKP =D

lunchforthesky

United Kingdom967 Posts

July 03 2011 01:07 GMT

#356

On July 03 2011 10:04 snafoo wrote:
MKP making this look like his game vs TheBest.... making stuff and sending it at his opponent and winning.

MKP is like the anti-foreigner player because he's so aggressive he just doesn't let you even get in the game.

ChickenLips

2912 Posts

July 03 2011 01:07 GMT

#357

On July 03 2011 10:04 Sixes wrote:
Can't blame Nerchio ... 4 bases to 2, huge supply lead and the proper unit mix to deal with blink stalkers.

But because there are 5 zealots and 2 immortals the composition falls apart completely and he has absolutely no solution.

Actually been having the same problem myself and seen a lot of pros have it, what is the solution to properly executed blink stalker play ? Ling/roach or ling/hydra with infestors do alright against pure stalker but as soon as a couple robo units and either zealots or sentries come out that all gets annihilated.

Not a balance whine, I am just genuinely confused as to the solution to that problem and a lot of pros seem to be too.

you get an evo at 37 supply with +2 melee ASAP. make about 10 roaches and then only lings off 2 gas and 3 hatch. +2 lings rape stalkers with or without blink.

you need good injects, but thats about it, if you can scout the council, you're in good shape as long as you don't make roaches, they just suck, lots of HP and decent DPS but can't diminish the blink stalker ball for shit

AndAgain

United States2621 Posts

July 03 2011 01:07 GMT

#358

On July 03 2011 10:04 Nerchio wrote:
Just kidding. I hope people realise zerg is still unplayable ^^ whole map vs 2 base protoss and you still can't kill blink stalkers.

It's understandable how zergs can be frustrated when they mass roaches. Pretty hard to play when to play with such a non optimal unit mix.

Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

July 03 2011 01:07 GMT

#359

Tbh foreigner zergs have never been strong, except for Idra perhaps

ChickenLips

2912 Posts

July 03 2011 01:08 GMT

#360

On July 03 2011 10:04 Nerchio wrote:
Just kidding. I hope people realise zerg is still unplayable ^^ whole map vs 2 base protoss and you still can't kill blink stalkers.

ggs man, you need more practice and not against crappy mid-masters EU players, but pro-gamers that actually focus on figuring out the game