[GSL] Up & Down Matches Day 1 - Page 107

He has one play style, and if people don't let him get 3 expands up they're cheesers in his eyes

Edit: still one of the best zerg players in the world, just don't like his view on the game

you obviously lost track of IdrA's progress lately, go watch IdrA in IPL and also his stream if you think he still an expected zerg player and uses only one style of play.

Irrational_Animal

Germany1059 Posts

May 09 2011 14:14 GMT

#2124

I also start to think that it`s better if TLAF would just return to Europe. Basically their team was strongest when all of them except for Tyler were at the same location. Since TLO went back to Germany followed by Ret everyone experienced a decline in their current shape. I think one major reason (though certainly not the only one) for it is that they can hardly practice together and everyone just seems to do what he likes best. I mean why are Mouz or Dignitas so much more succesful? Are Select or Naniwa simply way more talented than the TLAF-guys? - I don`t think so. Instead something that distinguishes these teams is that they train and talk a lot together, develope new strategies etc. All that seems missing. In fact TLO seems to train much more with Sjow or Morrow than with Tyler and Ret. The problem that occurs is that TLAF now experiences a huge backlash and a growing hate-train as they are unable to fulfill their expectations either in Korea or NA/EU.
I really hope that in a forseeable future the whole slump gets discussed in a honest way in a weekly (where have they gone?!).

Nerfed

Russian Federation1132 Posts

May 09 2011 14:39 GMT

#2125

Contrary, i think it's important for foreigners to compete in gsl and, if possible, to show good results there. I think so beacause it's one of the things that links Korea to other eSports world and if there no such links SCBW situation will repeat. So i wish a best of luck, hard work and great motivation for Jinro, Huk, Haypro and everyone esle who competes in gsl.

Pipeline

Sweden1673 Posts

May 09 2011 14:44 GMT

#2126

What ever happened to Jinros macro style? It has been a very long time since I saw a terran player with such late upgrades. I don't know how you guys feel but I'm having a hard time recognizing Jinro as a player. He went from solid macro terran to his current state? He needs to go back to his roots. Drop the stupid bunker nonsense at the start and go for macro games.

Irrational_Animal

Germany1059 Posts

May 09 2011 14:47 GMT

#2127

I just don`t think that the location matters that much. I think living in Korea drains a lot of energy, especially if you only speak basic korean at max. You are not in your comfort zone and you are overreliant on a few foreigners that share the same flat with you. Right now there are team houses all over the world and players like Kas, Naniwa and many more are a good proof that you do not have to live in Korea to reach a Korean level. On the other hand TLAF risks his huge reputation as they cannot produce the results that people expect of them (and that they expect of themselves too).

ccHaZaRd

Canada1024 Posts

May 09 2011 14:49 GMT

#2128

wow i cant believe jinro went 1-4 in his matches, all of them against zerg as well. Gotta get out of this slump liquid

DarkPlasmaBall

United States45264 Posts

May 09 2011 14:49 GMT

#2129

Jinro will surely make a comeback!

shaman6ix

Greece212 Posts

May 09 2011 14:53 GMT

#2130

On May 09 2011 23:06 tdt wrote:

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West don't have best players there. NaNi, Thor, Hasu, Dimaga, Strelok, kas and many others I think would be S class.

idra too of course. He was getting higher every season and is playing better than ever now.

What? Are you aware of the Code-S level of play? Hasu, Strelok would never ever get there. Kas has the skill and he could if he trained 24/7 but he lacks strong mentality and thats extremely important when it comes to stage matches.. Thor has a lot to prove yet, dont get carried away from his results in online matches he had a week to prepare for. NaNi and Dimaga are the only ones who i could see in Code-S after 2 or 3 months in Korea.

Maenander

Germany4926 Posts

May 09 2011 14:55 GMT

#2131

On May 09 2011 22:56 eoLithic wrote:
Nature has its ways. The weaker ones has to go and the strongest remain. I think both Jinro and HuK will fall down from code-A and leave Korea together with Haypro. Honestly, I don`t see any player with enough dedication and methodical approach to the game to keep up with the koreans, except IdrA.

I think it is definitely time to realize that the koreans are one step ahead, and will always be.

I just want the better players to stay, and that is what happened today. Jinro played like a beast a month or so ago though, oh well.

It is not like Jinro and Huk had more success in foreigner tournaments lately, I doubt players like Zenio are one step ahead of the non-korean scene.

zerious

Canada3803 Posts

May 09 2011 14:57 GMT

#2132

On May 09 2011 23:55 Maenander wrote:

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It is not like Jinro and Huk had more success in foreigner tournaments lately, I doubt players like Zenio are one step ahead of the non-korean scene.

I'm pretty sure Zenio would slaughter any foreign terran.

Irrational_Animal

Germany1059 Posts

May 09 2011 14:57 GMT

#2133

Even if Dimaga has the skill his motivation seems to rise and fall very quick. Thorzain is getting a bit too much hype (granted he is excellent but he still has a lot to proof). I only think Nani and Kas could do it but Nani wouldn`t prolly fit into the korean culture.

Technique

Netherlands1542 Posts

May 09 2011 14:58 GMT

#2134

On May 09 2011 22:16 Sein wrote:

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He WAS the best foreigner a few months ago. He made it into the R4 of two consecutive GSL's and was consistently beating IdrA. Losing to MKP isn't something to be embarrassed about as he is widely considered to be one of the top 3 terrans in the world and back then, most of the terran players were still figuring out how to deal with MKP's infantry heavy TvT style.

KOTB was all the way back in beta, wasn't it? How does IdrA winning an 8-player invitational in July, 2010 discredit people in calling Jinro the best foreigner around October-February?

People actually seen jinro as the best foreigner?

Jinro could never even win open tournaments in eu... just because he made good results at that time in GSL doesn't instantly put him above every1 else (who don't even play in that particular leaque). The world cup tournament showed aswell that there are enough other foreigners who would probably do better then the ones currently in korea.

Beefwipe

United Kingdom56 Posts

May 09 2011 15:00 GMT

#2135

On May 09 2011 23:53 shaman6ix wrote:

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Are you aware of the Code-S level of play?

A lot of top Europeans would easily play in Code S, I can only think of a few Americans but the Europeans are definitely there skill-wise.

Irrational_Animal

Germany1059 Posts

May 09 2011 15:05 GMT

#2136

The Jinro before his stint in Korea was a totally different player so his missing achievements in the EU-scene do not matter much. The MLG that he won was certainly one of the hardest with Idra, Sen, Socke, Kiwikaki and many more and his GSL performances where he placed highly were very solid even though he was still a tad weaker than the Korean superstars.
I don`t understand why Jinro-bashing is so en voque right now.

johanngrunt

Hong Kong1555 Posts

May 09 2011 15:06 GMT

#2137

Jinro won an MLG I think?

Just suddenly burst out and won, then advanced far into season 3.

That's when he suddenly got so many fans.

Arcanne

United States1519 Posts

May 09 2011 15:18 GMT

#2138

On May 09 2011 23:57 zerious wrote:

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I'm pretty sure Zenio would slaughter any foreign terran.

Didnt he lose to drewbie?

Astans

205 Posts

May 09 2011 15:19 GMT

#2139

I wonder if the "international" system of TL is really working. Other teams seem to be pretty much based on one continent. Maybe they do not all love together in one house like the Koreans do but at least they can play each other and communicate all the time.

TL is on 3 different continents, with lag being a problem when you play on another continent and with different timezones that make training tough as well.

I liked the idea of making a team house with OGS but it doesn't seem to work out for TL.

There should be a discussion thread somewhere about the current TL situation. Are the players not good enough? Overhyped? Surpassed by better players? Is it bad training conditions? Just a temporary slump?

I wish we could read the internal TL discussions. I assume the mood isn't very good right now.

zerious

Canada3803 Posts

May 09 2011 15:21 GMT

#2140

On May 10 2011 00:18 Arcanne wrote:

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Didnt he lose to drewbie?

Drewbie also beat IdrA online when IdrA was still in Korea, now he can't even touch IdrA. Yeah, I'd have to say the latency helped Drewbie.