• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:06
CEST 21:06
KST 04:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting4[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)72Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
The New Patch Killed Mech! TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Ladder Impersonation (only maybe) Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Tenacious Turtle Tussle WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BW caster Sayle BW General Discussion Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw ASL20 General Discussion [ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B [ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1141 users

[TSL] Ro16 Day 1 - Page 161

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 159 160 161 162 163 164 Next
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
April 10 2011 05:49 GMT
#3201
there is nothing other than bm from whitera. how can you complain about 4gate in a pvp when its the best strategy? it may be cheesy, but cheese is part of the game. as a progamer, he should know that winning is the most important, he should really control his emotions.
Jar Jar Binks
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
April 10 2011 05:52 GMT
#3202
80% of lliquibets on Tyler seems unreal, a lot of people said that TLO is overrated but Tyler... I don't know, he hasn't shown any consistant play in any big lan tournament he played.
My heart aches with pain, When I see you I vomit, Die away from me
ct2299
Profile Joined February 2011
380 Posts
April 10 2011 06:01 GMT
#3203
On April 10 2011 03:46 Koshi wrote:
EU > Korea > NA

. Unless miracles happen we will see grandpa toss soon! The only Toss I like.


lol? really?
GSL World Championship really showed that... oh wait... im sorry White-Ra got eliminated in Round 1, and Dimaga didnt make it far either. Oh wait. White-Ra just got 3-0'd by MC as well. Where is this kid, I want to see him eat his words.
Thurokiir
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
April 10 2011 06:06 GMT
#3204
On April 10 2011 06:13 BryanSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories?


What do you mean destroying SC1 players in every tournament? Naniwa is the only one to have won a major tournament, the other guys haven't done much.

Holler.


HuK Kiwi.
Tahts halo dont worry
SCGreg
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3 Posts
April 10 2011 06:12 GMT
#3205
tyler overrated =/
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
April 10 2011 06:15 GMT
#3206
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith

If Tyler is a real champ, he will come back.
sleigh bells
Profile Joined April 2011
United States358 Posts
April 10 2011 06:27 GMT
#3207
On April 10 2011 11:29 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 11:25 tarath wrote:
On April 10 2011 11:19 ct2299 wrote:
On April 10 2011 08:08 cujo2k wrote:
A fairly anticlimactic day's worth of games lol. Not sure what's happend to Tyler, but he's in a pretty big slump. Did he see the mass thor before he started massing colossi, or did he just see two factories and assumed a lot of tanks with a few thor would be made?
Also, whitera said, "gg 4gt push is besty" --> That isn't BM at all. He's just saying that 4 gate is the best build in pvp, and at the moment, he's right. It's certainly a lot better than 2 gate expo anyway.


Stop defending him and just accept reality. It was BM but who cares if it is BM anyways, makes things more interesting. He already showed his frustration against Sans, and now you guys all come here AGAIN trying to defend White-Ra saying it isn't BM. Incredible.


+1. White-Ra himself admitted that he was bitter and being BM to San and people are still saying that he wasn't being BM lol.

Also I just don't get where he is coming from with the whining about 4-gates. Has he never played PvP before? What does he expect? 4-gate is the standard and if you're going to do easily scouted builds that just die to a well executed 4-gate on the given map and then act surprised and angry that you got 4-gated... it just doesn't add up.

Furthermore, acting like 4-gate vs 4-gate doesn't require a lot of skill is ridiculous.


PvP is just a matchup that isn't very fun to play in my opinion, and I suspect a lot of other protoss feel the same way, probably including Ra. Yeah, if you're a pro you need to suck it up and deal with it, but none the less, I can relate.

well at least, you shouldn't fail 4 gate against MC's non 4 gate builds, and then say anything sarcastic when MC's 4 gate works. if WR never went 4 gate, then maybe he has a point. but wtf?

that's like idra complaining about a macro game, MKP complaining about drops, or MVP whining that the patch made BCs OP
Sup son? ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 10 2011 06:34 GMT
#3208
On April 10 2011 10:25 Headnoob wrote:
WOW, Mc 3-0ing white-ra makes me sad.

although hopefully artosis can stop calling him equal to MC now.


In my eyes he may not be as solid as MC, but on a good day whitera is better. Solid tends to win, and I guess we just have to accept that Whitera has established family and dont have as much time devoted to sc2 as MC.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 10 2011 06:37 GMT
#3209
On April 10 2011 15:15 Samhax wrote:
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith

If Tyler is a real champ, he will come back.


What is Tyler champ of? TSL2 was a different tourney and a different game... I like Tyler, but man... he's so freaking overrated. Other up and coming players deserve more attention imho.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 06:38:04
April 10 2011 06:37 GMT
#3210
On April 10 2011 15:34 crappen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 10:25 Headnoob wrote:
WOW, Mc 3-0ing white-ra makes me sad.

although hopefully artosis can stop calling him equal to MC now.


In my eyes he may not be as solid as MC, but on a good day whitera is better. Solid tends to win, and I guess we just have to accept that Whitera has established family and dont have as much time devoted to sc2 as MC.

lol.. i guess anyone can be better than anyone else on a good day. that makes no sense to bring up though.
Administrator
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 10 2011 06:43 GMT
#3211
On April 10 2011 05:43 LostDevil wrote:
tl.net is turning into a haterfest on anyone that isn't super duper manner 100% all the time. white-ra has one of the longest track records in e-sports for being super manner and a nice guy to everyone online and at LAN events so even if he did BM 1 or 2 times out of frustration with builds that aren't super skill intensive it still should be received as just that and not an uproar with everyone saying omg WR = BM!!! Sure he may have had a lapse but I'm sure if anyone went up to him at a LAN he would be one of the nicest guys there even with his terrible english. This "BM" in no way makes him a bad person in general or for e-sports overall so I think the whining should just end. It is also no surprise that almost all the people complaining are posters who joined in 2010 or later and none of the actual strong gamers that know white-ra and his history in broodwar.

Overall looking forward to Thorzain vs MC. Should be a fun one either way.





I dont know the reason why so many people react so much when a people is not acting his 100% supermanner role. They should also realize, that judging others, also, without doubt, judges something in you. So I think they rage a lot in their 1v1 play, then judge others and them self cause they feel guilty for it.

This tells me, that there is a looot of ragequit in SC2.
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
April 10 2011 06:45 GMT
#3212
On April 10 2011 15:06 Thurokiir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 06:13 BryanSC wrote:
On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories?


What do you mean destroying SC1 players in every tournament? Naniwa is the only one to have won a major tournament, the other guys haven't done much.

Holler.


HuK Kiwi.


The best foreign SC1 players have been more successful with the likes of Jinro, Idra, Huk, White-Ra, Sen than foreign WC3 players
powerade = dragoon blood
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 10 2011 06:47 GMT
#3213
On April 10 2011 08:33 teamsolid wrote:
It seems like MC basically has a much higher level of understanding of PvP than anyone else out there. The one game he lost in the GSTL just caught him off guard as he had never seen that warp prism build before, but now that he knows how to defend it again, I can't see anyone on the planet taking him down in a Bo3 or Bo5 PvP.

Also, quite disappointed in Tyler, was hoping he'd give a better showing after all the hype.

MC vs Sen finals, calling it right now.


MC would have to go through Thorzain.. considering he lost 2-0 to Cloud, Thorzain taking the series is not unexpected.
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
April 10 2011 06:48 GMT
#3214
On April 10 2011 15:37 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 15:15 Samhax wrote:
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith

If Tyler is a real champ, he will come back.


What is Tyler champ of? TSL2 was a different tourney and a different game... I like Tyler, but man... he's so freaking overrated. Other up and coming players deserve more attention imho.


Well you right he didn't do a lot in sc2, but you can't throw away what he did in bw just by "it was another game and another time".

Like i said if he has a heart of a champion, he will come back and prove us we were wrong.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 10 2011 06:54 GMT
#3215
man i finally got around to watching the tyler games and what a disappointment... Tyler is slumping hard and it's not because he's losing everyone loses but he seems to make so many mistakes and tylers signature build timings are just non existent. This makes me sad

Having said that I'm starting to love watching ThorZane play! He always has a different build and executes them perfectly! I usually hate watching terran play but he's really winning me over as a fan.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Clicker
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
April 10 2011 06:59 GMT
#3216
Tyler overrated? No way, screw you guys ;'x

It's only a matter of time before Tyler dominates the scene.

You'll see!
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
April 10 2011 07:03 GMT
#3217
I wonder if Tyler's performance might improve if he changed his practice regimen. Is he still not practicing much, and mostly just developing builds on his own against the AI? I understand this is something that's done him well for a long time and really works with him mentally but I think just sitting down and massgaming with partners like other pros do is at least worth a shot.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
April 10 2011 07:04 GMT
#3218
Just got around to watching the vods. Pretty disappointing games overall really. I don't feel like either of the losers really played to their potential.

Oh well, back to the homemade chutney, venison salami and smoked chicken subs.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Soulcage
Profile Joined August 2010
United States27 Posts
April 10 2011 07:09 GMT
#3219
Watched the vods earlier. Sad to see Tyler lose. Quality of the games didn't seem that great.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 10 2011 07:34 GMT
#3220
On April 10 2011 15:45 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 15:06 Thurokiir wrote:
On April 10 2011 06:13 BryanSC wrote:
On April 10 2011 06:09 s4life wrote:
What is with the foreign WC3 players? Kiwi, Naniwa, Kas, Thorzain and now Happy (look him up in sc2ranks).. they are absolutely destroying the foreign ex SC1 players in every tournament.... any theories?


What do you mean destroying SC1 players in every tournament? Naniwa is the only one to have won a major tournament, the other guys haven't done much.

Holler.


HuK Kiwi.


The best foreign SC1 players have been more successful with the likes of Jinro, Idra, Huk, White-Ra, Sen than foreign WC3 players


Jinro and Huk were never among the best foreign Brood War players actually. Just points out the fact that it's how you adapt to how SC2 currently plays out, not your background, that matters.

Also, mechanical superiority of BW hardly counts for anything in SC2.

Just look at vast majority of pro level games in SC2 that aren't PvP - no real aggression, zero multitasking, really basic micro (none worth even talking about), super passive strategies that make zero sense from a fundamental RTS point of view, armies sitting in base or walking about doing absolutely nothing most of the game leading into blob vs blob battles. What are you going to spend 300 effective APM on, burning calories? =/

Ah well, Mondi is still in this at least. Let's hope he didn't get corrupted by this game as badly as the rest. =P
Prev 1 159 160 161 162 163 164 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 54m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 506
IndyStarCraft 108
ProTech79
Railgan 69
BRAT_OK 68
MindelVK 18
Codebar 13
trigger 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3138
Rain 1351
Leta 271
hero 242
Mini 229
Larva 190
Hyun 143
Light 92
Dewaltoss 82
Mong 77
[ Show more ]
sas.Sziky 33
Movie 20
scan(afreeca) 19
ggaemo 18
Aegong 18
NaDa 16
Shine 5
Dota 2
Gorgc7256
qojqva3064
PGG 76
Counter-Strike
fl0m1227
byalli637
Foxcn167
Stewie2K157
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu333
Other Games
FrodaN1378
Beastyqt706
ceh9513
Skadoodle348
Mlord303
markeloff70
Mew2King56
Trikslyr41
OptimusSC26
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 87
• Adnapsc2 13
• Reevou 5
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 26
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2713
• Ler51
League of Legends
• Nemesis4602
• imaqtpie1853
Other Games
• Shiphtur263
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 54m
Replay Cast
3h 54m
The PondCast
14h 54m
OSC
16h 54m
Wardi Open
1d 15h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Safe House 2
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Safe House 2
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.