IGN Pro League Season one - Page 27

On April 08 2011 03:52 Vul wrote:
I think it's awkward for TB to come to this thread and argue with everyone whose critical. This is a thread which has welcomed constructive criticism for a new event. Some of us are going to think that different casters are better and are curious to hear why they weren't selected or if they turned down the invitation. That somebody thinks Day9 is a better caster than TB or that one of the players who was selected isn't that great, doesn't need to be a big deal unless those people start to respond to the criticism and make it personal.

You can't convince everyone that doesn't like you that they should by arguing about it on forums. If they already aren't a fan, you will just seem obnoxious.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So you want to give feedback on your personal caster likes and dislikes but you don't want any discussion with those involved because it's 'awkward'?

On April 08 2011 04:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:


This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So you want to give feedback on your personal caster likes and dislikes but you don't want any discussion with those involved because it's 'awkward'?

I'm not really concerned about whether or not people find honesty and useful information to be 'obnoxious'. It does seem a little odd to label it that way, TL is a community where those involved heavily in the scene, whether casting, promoting, playing and organising try to get involved in the discussion, but it's not ok to discuss something you're involved in and have a lot of information about? Have I once during this thread took offence to anything said, regardless of less than tactful insinuations and occassionally downright insults of my work? Not to my knowledge. If I have though, feel free to point them out and you'll get my apologies.

As it stands however, decrying a league because of personal caster preferences doesn't seem like constructive feedback. While some make valid points about the balance between play-by-play and analysis, the majority of feedback has not contained useful information, but more subjective opinion based on personal preference, plus the whole caster thing has already been answered multiple times by Ed, Alex and myself. There will be a wider variety of casters for the second league and these casters were chosen because of their proven mainstream appeal that will help bring in new eSports fans from IGN where a highly analytical commentator would not. It's really as simple as that. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that every single tournament, especially in this particular format, is aimed squarely at the TL crowd, whose preferences are well known. The SC2 community is larger than that, much larger and it can grow even further if opportunities like this are approached in the correct manner.

On April 08 2011 08:17 Pants10 wrote:
I don't wanna sound like a troll but I think saying you won't watch because you don't like a certain caster is totally valid criticism of the tournament. If they dislike your commentary so much that the only way they'll watch the tournament is if you're not involved with it then they should be able to say that in a topic about said tournament.

No, you can do whatever you want. I saw earlier that you were talking about your view counts and how you're in platinum. I didn't argue that you should be prohibited, just that it's awkward for you to take it so personally that you would actually get on a forum and argue with the people that would rather see other commentators.

I guess I would just rather see you respond to the criticism in a more positive way, especially if you're associated with the event.

The success or failure of a tournament is not determined by whether or not some people on Teamliquid don't like the commentary line-up and if you need any proof of that you need only check the viewer numbers on the TSL, which were highest during Husky's casts.

On April 08 2011 09:38 dtz wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong but this statement seems contradictory.



Arguable the success of a tournament is determined by how many people watches the tournament among other reason. In the second sentence, you said during Husky's cast, the TSL views are highest. Which means that as the most popular caster on Youtube, Husky brings in the viewers which contribute to the success of the tournament. Yet, in the first sentence, you say that whether the commentary line-up is liked ( popular) does not matter.

The implication being that I'm somehow taking this personally rather than providing a rational counter-argument. I'm not sure you can really judge that via text on the internet. Arguments should be supported by facts and statistics, that's what I'm giving you here. I don't need to defend my validity as a caster from anyone, but what I would like is for people to understand that growing eSports to a wider audience is very important and the #2 and #3 most viewed casters on Youtube as well as Wheat whose record should be beyond reproach, are the guys most qualified to do that right now. Do you guys want fresh blood in the scene or are you just interested in your own personal gratification? It's ok if you are, this is just entertainment after all, but in my opinion there are more pressing concerns.