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On March 29 2011 23:18 ct2299 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:08 tyCe wrote:On March 29 2011 22:58 kaileah wrote:On March 29 2011 22:54 andrewlt wrote:On March 29 2011 22:49 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:48 Reasonable wrote:
So, everyone except for July managed to hide their primary strategies. That sucks for the world players so immensely that it cannot be overexaggerated
The REAL championship will unveil itself tomorrow! WhiteRa and Dimaga better not get relaxed as stakes considerably rise and Koreans still have most of their aces under sleeves. A friend of mine pointed that out. He was like "Well, it looks like July is the sacrifice for Korea's honor. He's showing his actual important strategies before the main tournament to pull out wins." He's July, though. He's had the same style for years and people haven't figured it out yet. Or people have figured it out but still lose to it. july is what kobe bryant is for all star weekend. where as everyone else just doesn't care and just goes out to have fun, july seems to be that one guy who has the no nonsense attitude. koreans were going for carriers, motherships, and battlecruisers, and other fun strats while smiling and laughing on their benches, where as july played as if he were in the gsl finals or trying for a legit all-kill. You really don't know how much the Koreans care.. To lose in Starcraft, which you play everyday as a professional, sacrificing your education, livelihood, friends, family and employment prospects, and in a country where gaming for a living still has a huge social stigma despite its esports scene, is a big deal. To lose against "foreigners", who are regarded in Koreas as chobos/noobs (some Koreans even believe "foreigners" are genetically worse), especially foreigners who train less and aren't fully professional (oh come on, most of them live with their mothers, have other jobs, have college, etc etc) is UTTER humiliation. You never saw how hard ToSsGirL cried when she lost to IdrA. She didn't have an inflated view of herself as a progamer but IdrA was a "foreigner" and she felt she let the whole of Korea down. You can bet that the first few losses would have been felt like humiliations in Korea, showmatch or not. Korea put out their all-star team, their best of the best, against a somewhat ragtag "World Team", one of whom is even married with a day job and a kid. For MC, arrogant, confident, most successful SC2 progamer ever, to lose against White-Ra is almost like as if the US Dream Team lost to an over-age semi-pro basketball team from Ukraine. Edit: that metaphor was not meant to demean White-Ra, protoss god that he is, but to explain what a Korean fan not following SC2 outside Korea may believe You had me until the end. I think MC should know by now that White-Ra is good since he's also up against him in TSL. Not to mention, I think White-Ra MIGHT actually get a lot more training than most foreigners right now since it is 100% his job and profession (despite obviously having family commitments). If there was one person I'm GLAD MC lost to, it's White-Ra, the guy is damn good and MC will learn from this and get even better. I don't think you can say White-Ra is the better player from a BO1. We'll see from the upcoming bracket play and the TSL3 where I hope lag won't affect it too much.
I believe Whitera has a job at a magazine company too, so its not his 100% job.
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On March 29 2011 23:37 DoyenkO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:16 xaneda wrote:On March 29 2011 23:08 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:03 najreteip wrote:On March 29 2011 22:45 HQuality wrote:On March 29 2011 22:42 exterminatus wrote:
Dimaga, White-Ra +1
Huk,Moonglade,Jinro -1 huk and moonglade have already -5 at least then :D :D funny that people continuing to put them inda their World Team. soooooo overhyped really Kas, GoOdy instead of this two would be a huge difference *not trollin, srsly Kas ok BUT GOODY??? He's not that good man... edit: How about Kas and sjow or sth huk and moonglade represent their regions so no goody or kas instead, what you sugest, europe vs korea? makes sense considering Europeans are the only good foreigners  So some kind of showmatches between Korea and Europe sounds great, but this is a World championship so it has to be this way. Players from all regions suposed to be here regardless of their skill. Like in every other sport.
A world championship usually don't have a team representing the world. 
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On March 29 2011 23:25 dakalro wrote:
I just wish they VOD it for posterity :D
Yes that match is in the vod list, let's hope it stays there!
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On March 29 2011 23:40 stormtemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:37 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:16 xaneda wrote:On March 29 2011 23:08 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:03 najreteip wrote:On March 29 2011 22:45 HQuality wrote:On March 29 2011 22:42 exterminatus wrote:
Dimaga, White-Ra +1
Huk,Moonglade,Jinro -1 huk and moonglade have already -5 at least then :D :D funny that people continuing to put them inda their World Team. soooooo overhyped really Kas, GoOdy instead of this two would be a huge difference *not trollin, srsly Kas ok BUT GOODY??? He's not that good man... edit: How about Kas and sjow or sth huk and moonglade represent their regions so no goody or kas instead, what you sugest, europe vs korea? makes sense considering Europeans are the only good foreigners So some kind of showmatches between Korea and Europe sounds great, but this is a World championship so it has to be this way. Players from all regions suposed to be here regardless of their skill. Like in every other sport. How are Huk, TT1, Kiwikaki, Cruncher, Idra, Princess/kitty/gositerran, ect not good?
Unfortunately not as good as the Europeans. I'd love a Europe vs America showmatch (how did the last one turn out?)
Lol I LOVE how everyone is throwing CRUNCHER's name out there now. The guy isn't good. IdrA fucked up that last part by underestimating him. Cruncher isn't going to get much further in TSL, in fact I'd say Mondragon is going to win.
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Just watched the white ra vs MC match, omg so amazing
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On March 29 2011 23:41 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:37 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:16 xaneda wrote:On March 29 2011 23:08 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:03 najreteip wrote:On March 29 2011 22:45 HQuality wrote:On March 29 2011 22:42 exterminatus wrote:
Dimaga, White-Ra +1
Huk,Moonglade,Jinro -1 huk and moonglade have already -5 at least then :D :D funny that people continuing to put them inda their World Team. soooooo overhyped really Kas, GoOdy instead of this two would be a huge difference *not trollin, srsly Kas ok BUT GOODY??? He's not that good man... edit: How about Kas and sjow or sth huk and moonglade represent their regions so no goody or kas instead, what you sugest, europe vs korea? makes sense considering Europeans are the only good foreigners So some kind of showmatches between Korea and Europe sounds great, but this is a World championship so it has to be this way. Players from all regions suposed to be here regardless of their skill. Like in every other sport. A world championship usually don't have a team representing the world.
Well this was a showmatch no a WC, calling players instead the ones who actualy participate in WC would be rather stupid, dont u think?
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On March 29 2011 23:40 Slaytilost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:18 ct2299 wrote:On March 29 2011 23:08 tyCe wrote:On March 29 2011 22:58 kaileah wrote:On March 29 2011 22:54 andrewlt wrote:On March 29 2011 22:49 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:48 Reasonable wrote:
So, everyone except for July managed to hide their primary strategies. That sucks for the world players so immensely that it cannot be overexaggerated
The REAL championship will unveil itself tomorrow! WhiteRa and Dimaga better not get relaxed as stakes considerably rise and Koreans still have most of their aces under sleeves. A friend of mine pointed that out. He was like "Well, it looks like July is the sacrifice for Korea's honor. He's showing his actual important strategies before the main tournament to pull out wins." He's July, though. He's had the same style for years and people haven't figured it out yet. Or people have figured it out but still lose to it. july is what kobe bryant is for all star weekend. where as everyone else just doesn't care and just goes out to have fun, july seems to be that one guy who has the no nonsense attitude. koreans were going for carriers, motherships, and battlecruisers, and other fun strats while smiling and laughing on their benches, where as july played as if he were in the gsl finals or trying for a legit all-kill. You really don't know how much the Koreans care.. To lose in Starcraft, which you play everyday as a professional, sacrificing your education, livelihood, friends, family and employment prospects, and in a country where gaming for a living still has a huge social stigma despite its esports scene, is a big deal. To lose against "foreigners", who are regarded in Koreas as chobos/noobs (some Koreans even believe "foreigners" are genetically worse), especially foreigners who train less and aren't fully professional (oh come on, most of them live with their mothers, have other jobs, have college, etc etc) is UTTER humiliation. You never saw how hard ToSsGirL cried when she lost to IdrA. She didn't have an inflated view of herself as a progamer but IdrA was a "foreigner" and she felt she let the whole of Korea down. You can bet that the first few losses would have been felt like humiliations in Korea, showmatch or not. Korea put out their all-star team, their best of the best, against a somewhat ragtag "World Team", one of whom is even married with a day job and a kid. For MC, arrogant, confident, most successful SC2 progamer ever, to lose against White-Ra is almost like as if the US Dream Team lost to an over-age semi-pro basketball team from Ukraine. Edit: that metaphor was not meant to demean White-Ra, protoss god that he is, but to explain what a Korean fan not following SC2 outside Korea may believe You had me until the end. I think MC should know by now that White-Ra is good since he's also up against him in TSL. Not to mention, I think White-Ra MIGHT actually get a lot more training than most foreigners right now since it is 100% his job and profession (despite obviously having family commitments). If there was one person I'm GLAD MC lost to, it's White-Ra, the guy is damn good and MC will learn from this and get even better. I don't think you can say White-Ra is the better player from a BO1. We'll see from the upcoming bracket play and the TSL3 where I hope lag won't affect it too much. I believe Whitera has a job at a magazine company too, so its not his 100% job.
His job at the magazine company is to write about... Starcraft.
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On March 29 2011 23:46 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:40 Slaytilost wrote:On March 29 2011 23:18 ct2299 wrote:On March 29 2011 23:08 tyCe wrote:On March 29 2011 22:58 kaileah wrote:On March 29 2011 22:54 andrewlt wrote:On March 29 2011 22:49 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:48 Reasonable wrote:
So, everyone except for July managed to hide their primary strategies. That sucks for the world players so immensely that it cannot be overexaggerated
The REAL championship will unveil itself tomorrow! WhiteRa and Dimaga better not get relaxed as stakes considerably rise and Koreans still have most of their aces under sleeves. A friend of mine pointed that out. He was like "Well, it looks like July is the sacrifice for Korea's honor. He's showing his actual important strategies before the main tournament to pull out wins." He's July, though. He's had the same style for years and people haven't figured it out yet. Or people have figured it out but still lose to it. july is what kobe bryant is for all star weekend. where as everyone else just doesn't care and just goes out to have fun, july seems to be that one guy who has the no nonsense attitude. koreans were going for carriers, motherships, and battlecruisers, and other fun strats while smiling and laughing on their benches, where as july played as if he were in the gsl finals or trying for a legit all-kill. You really don't know how much the Koreans care.. To lose in Starcraft, which you play everyday as a professional, sacrificing your education, livelihood, friends, family and employment prospects, and in a country where gaming for a living still has a huge social stigma despite its esports scene, is a big deal. To lose against "foreigners", who are regarded in Koreas as chobos/noobs (some Koreans even believe "foreigners" are genetically worse), especially foreigners who train less and aren't fully professional (oh come on, most of them live with their mothers, have other jobs, have college, etc etc) is UTTER humiliation. You never saw how hard ToSsGirL cried when she lost to IdrA. She didn't have an inflated view of herself as a progamer but IdrA was a "foreigner" and she felt she let the whole of Korea down. You can bet that the first few losses would have been felt like humiliations in Korea, showmatch or not. Korea put out their all-star team, their best of the best, against a somewhat ragtag "World Team", one of whom is even married with a day job and a kid. For MC, arrogant, confident, most successful SC2 progamer ever, to lose against White-Ra is almost like as if the US Dream Team lost to an over-age semi-pro basketball team from Ukraine. Edit: that metaphor was not meant to demean White-Ra, protoss god that he is, but to explain what a Korean fan not following SC2 outside Korea may believe You had me until the end. I think MC should know by now that White-Ra is good since he's also up against him in TSL. Not to mention, I think White-Ra MIGHT actually get a lot more training than most foreigners right now since it is 100% his job and profession (despite obviously having family commitments). If there was one person I'm GLAD MC lost to, it's White-Ra, the guy is damn good and MC will learn from this and get even better. I don't think you can say White-Ra is the better player from a BO1. We'll see from the upcoming bracket play and the TSL3 where I hope lag won't affect it too much. I believe Whitera has a job at a magazine company too, so its not his 100% job. His job at the magazine company is to write about... Starcraft.
lolwut? for real?
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On March 29 2011 23:44 DoyenkO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:41 nihlon wrote:On March 29 2011 23:37 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:16 xaneda wrote:On March 29 2011 23:08 DoyenkO wrote:On March 29 2011 23:03 najreteip wrote:On March 29 2011 22:45 HQuality wrote:On March 29 2011 22:42 exterminatus wrote:
Dimaga, White-Ra +1
Huk,Moonglade,Jinro -1 huk and moonglade have already -5 at least then :D :D funny that people continuing to put them inda their World Team. soooooo overhyped really Kas, GoOdy instead of this two would be a huge difference *not trollin, srsly Kas ok BUT GOODY??? He's not that good man... edit: How about Kas and sjow or sth huk and moonglade represent their regions so no goody or kas instead, what you sugest, europe vs korea? makes sense considering Europeans are the only good foreigners So some kind of showmatches between Korea and Europe sounds great, but this is a World championship so it has to be this way. Players from all regions suposed to be here regardless of their skill. Like in every other sport. A world championship usually don't have a team representing the world. Well this was a showmatch no a WC, calling players instead the ones who actualy participate in WC would be rather stupid, dont u think?
Lol, you called it a world championship in your post... Are you arguing against yourself? (not really sure what you were trying to say here?)
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On March 29 2011 23:47 ct2299 wrote:
lolwut? for real?
yep
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White Ra did a great job at sniping oGs.MC. If he didn't, MC would all kill the World Team like a boss.
I don't see how Huk,Jinro, Moonglade, Dimaga would stand a chance MC.
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On March 29 2011 23:49 Prime`Rib wrote:
White Ra did a great job at sniping oGs.MC. If he didn't, MC would all kill the World Team like a boss.
I don't see how Huk,Jinro, Moonglade, Dimaga would stand a chance MC.
its not like jinro ever beat him in the gsl or anything... oh wait 
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On March 29 2011 23:49 Prime`Rib wrote:
White Ra did a great job at sniping oGs.MC. If he didn't, MC would all kill the World Team like a boss.
I don't see how Huk,Jinro, Moonglade, Dimaga would stand a chance MC.
Yeah I agree with this. Too bad he lost against July, I really think the world team would have won if he had done that. Still very good performace by him, he gave them a chance.
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I love that there are still diehard Korea fanboys who hate to be wrong so much that they're claiming that anything can happen in a Bo1.
Despite the fact that it was a Bo15.
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On March 29 2011 23:08 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 22:58 kaileah wrote:On March 29 2011 22:54 andrewlt wrote:On March 29 2011 22:49 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:48 Reasonable wrote:
So, everyone except for July managed to hide their primary strategies. That sucks for the world players so immensely that it cannot be overexaggerated
The REAL championship will unveil itself tomorrow! WhiteRa and Dimaga better not get relaxed as stakes considerably rise and Koreans still have most of their aces under sleeves. A friend of mine pointed that out. He was like "Well, it looks like July is the sacrifice for Korea's honor. He's showing his actual important strategies before the main tournament to pull out wins." He's July, though. He's had the same style for years and people haven't figured it out yet. Or people have figured it out but still lose to it. july is what kobe bryant is for all star weekend. where as everyone else just doesn't care and just goes out to have fun, july seems to be that one guy who has the no nonsense attitude. koreans were going for carriers, motherships, and battlecruisers, and other fun strats while smiling and laughing on their benches, where as july played as if he were in the gsl finals or trying for a legit all-kill. You really don't know how much the Koreans care.. To lose in Starcraft, which you play everyday as a professional, sacrificing your education, livelihood, friends, family and employment prospects, and in a country where gaming for a living still has a huge social stigma despite its esports scene, is a big deal. To lose against "foreigners", who are regarded in Koreas as chobos/noobs (some Koreans even believe "foreigners" are genetically worse), especially foreigners who train less and aren't fully professional (oh come on, most of them live with their mothers, have other jobs, have college, etc etc) is UTTER humiliation. You never saw how hard ToSsGirL cried when she lost to IdrA. She didn't have an inflated view of herself as a progamer but IdrA was a "foreigner" and she felt she let the whole of Korea down. You can bet that the first few losses would have been felt like humiliations in Korea, showmatch or not. Korea put out their all-star team, their best of the best, against a somewhat ragtag "World Team", one of whom is even married with a day job and a kid. For MC, arrogant, confident, most successful SC2 progamer ever, to lose against White-Ra is almost like as if the US Dream Team lost to an over-age semi-pro basketball team from Ukraine. Edit: that metaphor was not meant to demean White-Ra, protoss god that he is, but to explain what a Korean fan not following SC2 outside Korea may believe
I live in Korea and what he says is not true at all. While the general consensus amongst Koreans is that foriegners are still behind, but they know the gap is not that huge as it is in SC1. Most think that this is because SC1 has so much better player pools than SC2. SC1 is a very viable way to make your living in Korea, so if you have a talent in RTS then you are going to play SC1 over SC2. Koreans understand that current "good" SC2 players in Korea are those who retired from SC1 or those who failed to make an impact in SC1 scenes - therefore, they understand that the gap between Korea and outside world is not that big in SC2.
With that said, I think the outcome was the best that the GomTV could ever hoped for. GomTV's intent, from the very beginning, was to expand the SC2 scene outside the Korea. They want to have more foriegners participating, which is why they went out of their way to invite these players. This is the only way that GomTV can compete with current SC1 market in Korea in terms of TV revenues and sponsors. It's going to be interesting to see how many of these world players decide to remain in Korea for the next GSL.
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On March 29 2011 23:12 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 23:08 tyCe wrote:On March 29 2011 22:58 kaileah wrote:On March 29 2011 22:54 andrewlt wrote:On March 29 2011 22:49 HolyArrow wrote:On March 29 2011 22:48 Reasonable wrote:
So, everyone except for July managed to hide their primary strategies. That sucks for the world players so immensely that it cannot be overexaggerated
The REAL championship will unveil itself tomorrow! WhiteRa and Dimaga better not get relaxed as stakes considerably rise and Koreans still have most of their aces under sleeves. A friend of mine pointed that out. He was like "Well, it looks like July is the sacrifice for Korea's honor. He's showing his actual important strategies before the main tournament to pull out wins." He's July, though. He's had the same style for years and people haven't figured it out yet. Or people have figured it out but still lose to it. july is what kobe bryant is for all star weekend. where as everyone else just doesn't care and just goes out to have fun, july seems to be that one guy who has the no nonsense attitude. koreans were going for carriers, motherships, and battlecruisers, and other fun strats while smiling and laughing on their benches, where as july played as if he were in the gsl finals or trying for a legit all-kill. For MC, arrogant, confident, most successful SC2 progamer ever, to lose against White-Ra is almost like as if the US Dream Team lost to an over-age semi-pro basketball team from Ukraine. Edit: that metaphor was not meant to demean White-Ra, protoss god that he is, but to explain what a Korean fan not following SC2 outside Korea may believe Did you see MC's twitter after the FXOpen? He was certainly humbled quite a bit. Don't think he ever regarded White-Ra as some old farmer with a wife who only plays 10 games a week. Perhaps some of the Korean netizens think so, but I'm sure MC knows better, especially with other foreigners on his team. Edit: and yes, SC2 is not taken seriously by a majority of Koreans anyways (atm). Being relegated to second class progaming status in the eyes of public probably isn't a good feeling. I see foreign competition doing to Korea two things: 1. They will swallow their pride, work even harder, and SC2 explodes in Korea.2. They will see it as an even more inferior game, the talent stops funneling in (unless Blizz does something about it with Kespa), and SC2 dies in Korea.
I am confident option #1 it´s the one will happen. SC2 it´s growing over the whole world and it will grow even more in Korea. This is just the beginning.
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This was really awesome! Too bad about that disc in the epic game between Dima and Mvp but otherwise some really great matches and a very close outcome. Definitely proud of the foreigner performance.
Could've even been a victory if White-ra didn't drop that seemingly almost sure win vs July, who then proceeded to dominate 3 more foreigners.
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AAAH halfway through day 2 WHITE RA SO HERO KILLING MC. GAMES SO GOOD FUCK.
god i love this shit. foreigners4lyfe
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