EPTOn March 27 2011 16:59 papaz wrote:What is more sad is people going "no,it's not lag koreans played poorly".
playing poorly with lag means you are playing poorly.
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Diglett
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playing poorly with lag means you are playing poorly. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
I imagine the EU-KR lag isn't so bad, because it doesn't go through Japan. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:19 entropius wrote: Would it be feasible to have EU vs. Korea games played on the EU and Korea servers, alternating, like EU-US games are? I imagine the EU-KR lag isn't so bad, because it doesn't go through Japan. I think EU is worst choice for KR players. Check this topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205366 On March 27 2011 08:23 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I wanted to re-post this here, as I think theres a lot of people talking about this that either understate its effects, or greatly exaggerate it. I posted a lot of this, but its on page 400 so...... KR playing on KR: Lan latency in SC1 EU playing on US: Low latency in SC1 KR playing on US: High latency in SC1 KR playing on EU: Extra high latency in SC1 And you know what, Id even say its a little bit smaller of a difference than that (and its actually not as bad as high latency was in SC1 at all, Im just using it for scale really). | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:19 entropius wrote: Would it be feasible to have EU vs. Korea games played on the EU and Korea servers, alternating, like EU-US games are? I imagine the EU-KR lag isn't so bad, because it doesn't go through Japan. EU-KR goes through who knows how many different countries, I guess through sea cables along the coast lines, and is supposedly much worse than KR-US. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:20 chenchen wrote: Ok, anyone who said that lag didn't really affect the Koreans' losses which were due to "decision making" or "strategy" or whatever . . . either has no idea what he's talking about or is blind. Not only does lag throw players off tilt, there were constant clear examples or MVP's delayed bio micro, Genius's delayed ffs, and Nestea's delayed units running away from siege tanks, because we've seen these players perform in GSL and we know what level of micro they're capable of in a lag free environment. So please, stop disregarding lag. It was definitely a factor. Did MVP drop down to Code A by losing to two protosses because of lag? | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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Apoo
413 Posts
 but im happy for goody :D | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:32 Uncultured wrote: Where are the VODs at? Read over the original post a few times now looking for them. Are they not out yet? Sorry if this has been asked/answered before. http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet here you go | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:32 Lonyo wrote: Did MVP drop down to Code A by losing to two protosses because of lag? Did MVP wreck protosses in GSTL and wreck Tester in GSL Jan because . . . he's good? | ||
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Tipany
United States368 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:32 Lonyo wrote: Did MVP drop down to Code A by losing to two protosses because of lag? The frickkk? That doesn't prove anything lol | ||
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vonterribad
Australia50 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:32 Uncultured wrote: Where are the VODs at? Read over the original post a few times now looking for them. Are they not out yet? Sorry if this has been asked/answered before. There are a few vods up on http://www.youtube.com/teamliquidnet They are starting to be uploaded now it seems. | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
I didn't think it would be such a big problem. :/ | ||
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Genzo
Denmark207 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:50 Linkirvana wrote: For me personally the lag is a bit of a buzzkill. It was embarassing to watch Koreans get owned like that. I didn't think it would be such a big problem. :/ who says it where, all this lag whine comes from the spectators assuming it was lag that caused them to lose | ||
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Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
Out of 12 people who passed into the second round, 7 are EU, 2 US (1 of which prefers the EU server, qxc), 2 Koreans and a Taiwanese player. I couldn't be more stoked about the results. As for lag, Jinro explained it pretty well here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205366 Yes, lag CAN play a semi-large factor in the outcomes, but not nearly as huge as decision making and strategy. The Koreans (as you can well see if you read their interviews) just basically dropped the ball on any kind of practice or researching their opponents. It could be due to overconfidence, due to unfamiliarity with the foreign scene and due to not practicing with higher latencies, but fact is they were clearly outplayed in every match they lost. I do believe the second TSL will produce much different results, once the Korean and foreign scene get more in touch with one another (and that's happening all the time with the international tournaments and all the foreigners playing in Korea). Also, I think it's a good proof that SC2 DOES involve less down-to-earth, pure mechanics than BW, but that was never in question, and, at the risk of receiving megaflames from all the BW veterans (whom I respect and certainly understand their complaints) I think it's actually really good that this time around, the focus is on actual STRATEGY and decision making, and not just pure mechanical speed and skill. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On March 27 2011 17:59 Plague1503 wrote: Wow. EU players FIGHTING! Out of 12 people who passed into the second round, 7 are EU, 2 US (1 of which prefers the EU server, qxc), 2 Koreans and a Taiwanese player. I couldn't be more stoked about the results. As for lag, Jinro explained it pretty well here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205366 Yes, lag CAN play a semi-large factor in the outcomes, but not nearly as huge as decision making and strategy. The Koreans (as you can well see if you read their interviews) just basically dropped the ball on any kind of practice or researching their opponents. It could be due to overconfidence, due to unfamiliarity with the foreign scene and due to not practicing with higher latencies, but fact is they were clearly outplayed in every match they lost. I do believe the second TSL will produce much different results, once the Korean and foreign scene get more in touch with one another (and that's happening all the time with the international tournaments and all the foreigners playing in Korea). Also, I think it's a good proof that SC2 DOES involve less down-to-earth, pure mechanics than BW, but that was never in question, and, at the risk of receiving megaflames from all the BW veterans (whom I respect and certainly understand their complaints) I think it's actually really good that this time around, the focus is on actual STRATEGY and decision making, and not just pure mechanical speed and skill. quoted for truth.. if only more people used obvious logic instead of not even watching the games and going "OMG koreans lost, must be lag!" | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
Sorry if this appears like a whine, just hope for a non spoiler vod release like the first week. | ||
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
About the results, + Show Spoiler + it's still interesting to see the Liquibet-underdog win four times in a row. | ||
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serojja
Ukraine90 Posts
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Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
This tournament is just so good in every way, it's just what I've been waiting for since I started following the SC2 competitive scene. Mega props to Team Liquid, the players, casters and everyone involved. | ||
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