EPT[TSL] Ro32 Day3 - Page 416
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On March 27 2011 15:50 ct2299 wrote: I'm not trying to take credit away from Adel, he's a great player. QXC I have my doubts after IEM and some other things. Goody, I absolutely don't think he deserved to win seeing how he's played against some people. Sorry I just have to state that. Great job to Adel, and I definitely think MVP deserved to lose as well, he's been playing quite poorly lately, I would say the same to Genius as well. So basically you are QQing because things didn't go the way you expected. After all QxC should have lost against Genius since he didn't play well in IEM and Goody.. well he can't win ever... he must lose all his games.. do you realize how ridiculous you sound? | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
Not only does lag throw players off tilt, there were constant clear examples or MVP's delayed bio micro, Genius's delayed ffs, and Nestea's delayed units running away from siege tanks, because we've seen these players perform in GSL and we know what level of micro they're capable of in a lag free environment. So please, stop disregarding lag. It was definitely a factor. | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
 I want to watch the games afap. I fell asleep after qxc vs genius and was like na gonna watch the vods, since TL is usually pretty fast with that stuff. No I am running circles. Plz hurry up... need more coffee and tea :DAlso Failnet 0.2 sucks :D | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
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veraliar
227 Posts
On March 27 2011 15:08 Hot_Bid wrote: Of course you can prepare for it. What's so stupid about saying that? Jinro and Tyler seem to think you can, and so do all the oGs players who did well in FXOpen on NA. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205366 Excuse me but if you have been practicing for 12 hours a day for the past 12 months in a lag free environment, and you have about a week to prepare for an environment where you are getting about 1000 ms (300 ms ping to see the change on the server, 300-500 ms to respond, 300 ms for server to register the response = about 1k ping), then it is pretty unfortunate for anyone to be so oblivious as to determine anything by these results, regardless of what Jinro says. We all saw the games. I hardly think anyone here says they were unwinnable and that is why oGs may be winning in FXOpen but they are hardly fair and it is ignorant to claim that a player with 12 month of conditioning in one environment can recondition himself for another in under a week. Edit: And by the way, this determinist attitude by a lot of the people that are dismissing lag as a non-issue or a non-contributor to the losses is merely cementing the lack of legitimacy in their position, further fueling the ardor of the opposite side. I don't really see the big deal of people in charge simply acknowledging this and moving on. The persistent attempts to discredit each other is really just raising the issue to the forefront and whereas before the losses might be tossed out as no big deal, now they appear more and more emotionally charged and overshadow the tournament as a whole. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:20 chenchen wrote: Ok, anyone who said that lag didn't really affect the Koreans' losses which were due to "decision making" or "strategy" or whatever . . . either has no idea what he's talking about or is blind. Not only does lag throw players off tilt, there were constant clear examples or MVP's delayed bio micro, Genius's delayed ffs, and Nestea's delayed units running away from siege tanks, because we've seen these players perform in GSL and we know what level of micro they're capable of in a lag free environment. So please, stop disregarding lag. It was definitely a factor. What about how the Koreans were always behind in upgrades? Thats why MVP lost. He had 1-0 bio going against 2-2 gateway units. Your not going to win. QXC also was ahead on upgrades too. Lag plays a factor, but not as big of a one as you would like to think. The foreigners seemed to be much more prepared for the games today. | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
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vonterribad
Australia50 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:33 veraliar wrote: Excuse me but if you have been practicing for 12 hours a day for the past 12 months in a lag free environment, and you have about a week to prepare for an environment where you are getting about 1000 ms (300 ms ping to see the change on the server, 300-500 ms to respond, 300 ms for server to register the response = about 1k ping), then it is pretty unfortunate for anyone to be so oblivious as to determine anything by these results, regardless of what Jinro says. We all saw the games. I hardly think anyone here says they were unwinnable and that is why oGs may be winning in FXOpen but they are hardly fair and it is ignorant to claim that a player with 12 month of conditioning in one environment can recondition himself for another in under a week. Need to make up some more numbers; Also I THINK it was slightly cloudly in KOR that day say that was a huge issue aswell. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:34 jmbthirteen wrote: What about how the Koreans were always behind in upgrades? Thats why MVP lost. He had 1-0 bio going against 2-2 gateway units. Your not going to win. QXC also was ahead on upgrades too. Lag plays a factor, but not as big of a one as you would like to think. The foreigners seemed to be much more prepared for the games today. Like he said, it throws players off tilt - discourages and unfocuses. | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Ah, smileyyy beat me to it. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:19 s4life wrote: So basically you are QQing because things didn't go the way you expected. After all QxC should have lost against Genius since he didn't play well in IEM and Goody.. well he can't win ever... he must lose all his games.. do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Are people not allowed to voice their opinion of players here? QXC impressed me in the games he played today, particularly with the constant harass on Xel'Naga, even though I was rooting for Genius. Goody in all honesty was very disappointing to watch. From nearly the same BO all three games to queue'ing up more than 2 scvs every game. Objectively, that's play I would expect from a diamond level player. Hopefully we'll see better play from him next round. Adel played well. I don't know whats been up with MVP recently. Everyone says his TvP is bad, which is true, but he was doing things poorly that weren't specific to TvP at all. Hope to see him playing like he did back in GSL4. | ||
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veraliar
227 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:36 vonterribad wrote: Need to make up some more numbers; Also I THINK it was slightly cloudly in KOR that day say that was a huge issue aswell. I actually purposefully gave very low numbers, merely to make my point. While the official numbers are impossible to know, they would be higher than mine. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:34 jmbthirteen wrote: What about how the Koreans were always behind in upgrades? Thats why MVP lost. He had 1-0 bio going against 2-2 gateway units. Your not going to win. QXC also was ahead on upgrades too. Lag plays a factor, but not as big of a one as you would like to think. The foreigners seemed to be much more prepared for the games today. Yeah, lag or not, Adel and QXC deserved their wins without a doubt. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Somi
Pakistan123 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
What is more sad is people going "no,it's not lag koreans played poorly". i wonder what the excuses are going to be when koreans roflstomp the world in GSL in the upcoming days.Koreans just happened to have a good day when games are played in offline environment? | ||
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smileyyy
Germany1816 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:59 papaz wrote: sad that TSL is over shadowed with lag issue/discussion. seeing the horrible Mvp micro and Genius ff was painful. What is more sad is people going "no,it's not lag koreans played poorly". i wonder what the excuses are going to be when koreans roflstomp the world in GSL in the upcoming days.Koreans just happened to have a good day when games are played in offline environment? Hmm dunno Tyler practices on the KR/EU-Server in order to get used to the delay. If they took the TSL serious they wouldve practiced in advance. Maybe they should use a vpn whose QoS to NA is better. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On March 27 2011 16:59 papaz wrote: sad that TSL is over shadowed with lag issue/discussion. seeing the horrible Mvp micro and Genius ff was painful. What is more sad is people going "no,it's not lag koreans played poorly". i wonder what the excuses are going to be when koreans roflstomp the world in GSL in the upcoming days.Koreans just happened to have a good day when games are played in offline environment? Lag isn't the only possible explanation you know. It could also have been under-preparation and overconfidence by some of the Korean players. | ||
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