[TSL] Ro32 Day3 - Page 414

On March 27 2011 10:56 Hierarch wrote:


It's an obvious difference but if you prepare for it it can be mitigated enough to the point of not being the only determining factor. From watching all the games it's quite obvious that the games weren't lost 100% due to inability to micro, the koreans played poorly, if lag had something to do with that by affecting their play due to being inexperienced with it then they should have prepared for it. It's not like the koreans are unaware of latency issues, they accepted the invite to this tournament with a 5 figure prize pool. This isn't BW, koreans are not always going to be better and to close I'm sure the lag affected Genius' forge so badly that it didn't start a single upgrade until the 20 minute mark zzz...



If MVP had prepared for the latency like Jinro stated then it's quite manageable to know how to micro with that couple ms delay. These terrible foreigners sure are getting respect from the korean pros which is all that matters, you can think they're the worst players in the world but the other pro gamers are giving them their dues. Also are you insinuating that Jinro is lying or misleading people because he's part of team liquid? Did you forget that he played from the korean server and has personal experience with the latency issues...

Anyways I'm done arguing on this subject, it's obvious some people aren't going to give credit where credit is due...

On March 27 2011 14:06 nart wrote:



How do you prepare for lag? Other than using different units that you're don't think are the best for your style and macro up a bigger ball than the opponent (which was what MC did), I don't think there's anyway to prepare. Can you prepare so that you won't lag 0.1 sec?

On March 27 2011 12:26 StuBob wrote:
does husky bug the heck out of anyone else?

On March 27 2011 11:45 Kennigit wrote:

We you expecting us to run ethernet cable from korea to germany ^^ ?

On March 27 2011 14:18 MajorityofOne wrote:
There's also a massive underrating of how difficult it is mentally to focus when the game is lagging. Tons of mistakes unrelated to micro were possibly due to this...it's a massive psychological distraction that can lead to things like forgetting upgrades, and in the case of MVP seemed to put him completely on tilt. Adelscott, QXC, and Goody played excellently, but it's dumb to presume they'd have won without the lag issue. It's simply impossible to know, and that makes the results feel cheaper.

On March 27 2011 14:18 MajorityofOne wrote:
There's also a massive underrating of how difficult it is mentally to focus when the game is lagging. Tons of mistakes unrelated to micro were possibly due to this...it's a massive psychological distraction that can lead to things like forgetting upgrades, and in the case of MVP seemed to put him completely on tilt. Adelscott, QXC, and Goody played excellently, but it's dumb to presume they'd have won without the lag issue. It's simply impossible to know, and that makes the results feel cheaper.

On March 27 2011 14:34 Caphe wrote:
Tips for Liquidbet, bet against Korean EVERY games from now on.
At first I don't believe the lag rumors but really, after watching today's game and from all the result up to now in TSL.

Lag is a crucial factor here, how can 90% of people outside Korea beat people in Korea(incule Koreans and foreigners in Korea). And we just saw Code A Korea roflstomped foreigners not long a go in Assembly.

@s4life and others who say lag doesn't the major factor: In high level play, you need the perfect condition for the players in order for them to shine. Even a slight delay thus lead to a mistake will be emphasized on cos your opponent is very good too.

I play on NA with suttle every 10 secs but its not a big deal since I'm diamond just like my opponent, at this low level, you can make many mistake and still breeze thru cos your opponent is bad :D.

On March 27 2011 14:40 Hot_Bid wrote:

Your statements are not accurate, I'd hardly call Adel, Qxc, and Goody "random foreigners."

Also, judging by how many Code A advanced into Code S, the GSTL results where many Code S lost to non-Code S and how many Code S players are slumping recently, its hard to even say Code S has the very best players.

On March 27 2011 14:35 edwrodrig wrote:
I don´t understand the world
Random foreigners defeat CodeS
Top Foreigners defeat Random Foreigners
CodeA defeat Top Foreigners
CodeS defeat CodeA

Then who´s the best?

On March 27 2011 14:40 Hot_Bid wrote:

Your statements are not accurate, I'd hardly call Adel, Qxc, and Goody "random foreigners."

Also, judging by how many Code A advanced into Code S, the GSTL results where many Code S lost to non-Code S and how many Code S players are slumping recently, its hard to even say Code S has the very best players.

On March 27 2011 14:35 edwrodrig wrote:
I don´t understand the world
Random foreigners defeat CodeS
Top Foreigners defeat Random Foreigners
CodeA defeat Top Foreigners
CodeS defeat CodeA

Then who´s the best?

On March 27 2011 14:40 Hot_Bid wrote:

Your statements are not accurate, I'd hardly call Adel, Qxc, and Goody "random foreigners."

Also, judging by how many Code A advanced into Code S, the GSTL results where many Code S lost to non-Code S and how many Code S players are slumping recently, its hard to even say Code S has the very best players.

On March 27 2011 14:40 Hot_Bid wrote:

Your statements are not accurate, I'd hardly call Adel, Qxc, and Goody "random foreigners."

Also, judging by how many Code A advanced into Code S, the GSTL results where many Code S lost to non-Code S and how many Code S players are slumping recently, its hard to even say Code S has the very best players.

On March 27 2011 14:24 s4life wrote:


It could be a massive overrating too.. and that seems to be the case if you read most posts. I am pretty sure these guys have experienced lag and latency before.. if they still are getting distracted by it, then I don't know what to say... perhaps they should try NOT to get distracted by it?