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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. |
On March 29 2011 16:16 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:08 Gatsbi wrote:On March 29 2011 15:59 UNeeK wrote:On March 29 2011 13:01 xaneda wrote:On March 29 2011 12:56 WGarrison wrote:On March 29 2011 12:47 UNeeK wrote:On March 29 2011 12:31 WGarrison wrote:On March 29 2011 12:25 xaneda wrote:so why is incontrol in the league anyway? Thought it was about 1. results 2. results 3. results? incontrol doesnt have any. guess he added himself in  Just like he added himself into top 16 seeding in MLG. Oh wait, he earned that! there also aren't koreans in the MLG.... By your logic every tournament that doesn't have koreans in it is worthless. Koreans are good, but they aren't the end all be all of starcraft 2. MLG is extremely competative and a perfectly good meterstick for results. No that is not what he means, grats putting words in his mouth though. Obviously since there werent koreans in MLG when incontrol competed diminishes the value of this "accomplishment" of barely coming top16 since it was a lot less competitive than it could have been - NASL will have koreans and some of the greatest players from all over the world making it even harder. Glad I could help. thank you, he indeed did put words in my mouth.. but you clarified EXACTLY what i was saying to a tee... Regardless, I'm not one of those people saying "omg i dont support nasl, wtf" I just do think it's a little odd we see iNc in this list but not some of the absolute best players in the world (who did apply) and while there may be 5 spots left, there are way more than 5 players who won't get invited that have achieved much greater.. if you goto the applications page almost all of oGs is still not in.
HuK confirmed on stream today that supernova isn't getting in for sure.. so someone who can goto the Code A Finals doesn't deserve a spot over incontrol, who has done what?... that's all i am saying. It's without a doubt bias decision making. Regardless, I am sure NASL will turn out to be quite a success regardless. Just not quite as great as it could have been. If NASL wanted to give the impression that this was the worlds absolute best competing for a large prize pool, they've already failed. If i remember correctly, their hype video even stated "the greatest players the world has ever seen", cmon now, really?.... no. See, that's what I have the biggest issue with. It really boggles my mind how having incontrol in the tourney vs. supernova is even fair :/ Because skill isn't the only factor and they've been clear about this. Not only is InControl one of the founders of the league he also is a very big name. That's why he's in it and similar reasons for Grubby and Artosis. Because they're famous.
I agree with you, but im also saying if they turn around and dont invite nada boxer MC then its not about popularity so much as those are three of the most popular players. I understand inviting players based on popularity from a business perspective but if they invite mid tier koreans over the most popular(nada boxer) and the best(mc). I have no problem with them inviting players based on popularity but i just dont want it to be subjective. Also not inviting the most popular player in the world (boxer) just wouldnt make much sense considering he is still a very good player (not the best but he has his moments and is still better or as good as at least half the players on that list)
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On March 29 2011 16:20 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:12 Zarjax wrote:
Some of you koreaboos are just ridiculous. You act like any tournament without all the "top" koreans is just another tournament for nobodies and isn't going to be any good.
You keep on crying because you won't be able to see two of your precious GSL champions get man-handled by "no names" and then blame it on the lag again, and you won't get to see nada one base all-in and fail again. Would players like July and MC be able to bring quality games to NASL? You bet your ass they would. If they don't get invited is it a good reason to ignore the tournament all together? Hell no. These foreigners are starting to prove that they are just as good, if not better than a lot, as the koreans. If your favorite player doesn't get an invite, you can cheer them on in the open tournament and hope they get at least top 8 for the next season if they don't get that one spot.
People are bashing this tournament into the ground already before its even started, why don't you guys just sit back and enjoy the show because guaranteed there are going to be amazing games throughout this tournament whether or not ANY of the last invites are korean. I'm seriously tired of some of the borderline xenophobic thought processes of "If it ain't korean it ain't good". A lot of the "top" koreans got special invites to the TSL and now I'm willing to bet a good amount of money that it won't be a korean crowned the TSL3 champion, and I have a feeling it would be the same for the NASL. Reserve your judgement until after the GSLWC tonight , and nada's one base all in was only because he lost that banshee TT1 had his base up way sooner and if nada tried to expand he just would have been way behind he was relying on that banshee to do some damage and when it didnt he went for an all in. Its best of 1's anyways wait until the real tournament best of 1's dont really prove much although team leagues are fun as hell to watch, i mean if TT1 beats 2 more people than obviously that is impressive in fact it already is impressive that he won 2 games, but honestly i think nada would beat him in a best of 3 but i guess well just have to wait and see what happens at the real tournament or at least to see who wins the team league tonight 
Reasonable, but I think its kind of ridiculous that for TT1 to actually impress people he would have to beat 2 more people. In fact, regardless of what happens tonight I don't mind gloating right now because before last nights matches I had to put up with people SERIOUSLY suggesting that anypro was going to 4-0 last night and that the foreigners had 0% chance of winning. Even after Sen was knocked what and TT1 was sent up there were a lot of people trash-talking TT1 like he doesn't deserve to be there and then he goes and knocks out San and Nada. Thats the problem I have with a lot of people's mindset of koreans vs. foreigners, the foreigners have to absolutely crush koreans in a perfect environment for them to get recognition that they played/are better, while koreans get a free pass.
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I'll watch this tourney with a pinch of Salt , It may still give us amazing games but deep down I'll always keep thinking that there could have been better players.
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On March 29 2011 14:06 ChrysaliS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:15 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
To the owners of NASL:
If Boxer, Nada, MC, and JulyZerg are not part of the last 5, I will not support NASL.
I surely hope you are saving the best for last. Does anyone care what you think? If Minigun, Morrow, DeMuslim, and ThorZain are not part of the last 5, I will not support NASL. See how stupid it sounds? (not that I don't also want to see at least MC and Boxer)
I agree that I will not support NASL was a bit dramatic.
But in all honestly if NASL wants to get off a good start, get viewers even from korea (which you want regardless of this tourney is for NA only, EU only, english speaking only or whatever) you need to have names that draws viewers.
- BoxeR - You just can't deny the emperor a seat in this tourney. The PR value of having him in there is huge.
- Nada - Read above
- July - Read above
- MC - 2 time GSL champion made an application, speaking english as well as he could. If the 2 time GSL champion, making an application, doesn't make it in then this tourney loses a lot of credibility.
I don't care if MC's doesn't like Big Mac or drink Budweiser or doesn't show me what he does on his spare time or whatever way NASL wants us to "connect" with the players.
2 time GSL champion, considered to be the best player today, applying to NASL should of course without any doubt get in.
I am CONVINCED the BoxeR, MC, July and Nada will get in. I was thinking the 5th to be Fruitdealer but now I'm not so sure. MorroW should get a seat also.
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can someone please answer WHY THE FUCK IS DIMAGA NOT IN HERE???
User was warned for this post
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On March 29 2011 16:53 dapierow wrote:
can someone please answer WHY THE FUCK IS DIMAGA NOT IN HERE???
It's right at the top on every page for this post dude :/
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because he sent his application in way to late i think.
Capslock was absolutely nessecary for that question!
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some really obvious players not getting in, im confused
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How come everyone likes to mention Incontrol or Artosis instead of oh I dunno ViBe, dde and stalife.
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On March 29 2011 16:53 dapierow wrote:
can someone please answer WHY THE FUCK IS DIMAGA NOT IN HERE???
i think its because he got in a fight and broke his hand. or.....he didnt apply on time. could be the latter, but without reading the boxed mod edit at the top, cant be sure.
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On March 29 2011 16:56 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:53 dapierow wrote:
can someone please answer WHY THE FUCK IS DIMAGA NOT IN HERE??? i think its because he got in a fight and broke his hand. or.....he didnt apply on time. could be the latter, but without reading the boxed mod edit at the top, cant be sure.
The person with the hand injury is Demuslim. Like the top of the post, Dimaga applied late.
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was demuslim that broke his hand, not dimaga
but on the topic of demuslim, kinda seems weird to not have the uk's only top player in the nasl? own goal as far as uk subscriptions go, also they included like 4 canadians or something? nothing against canada but well that seems kinda silly
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Foreigners taking out the best Koreans would grow e-sports wayyyyy more than having some 'famous for their personality or weird play style' players. And currently the NASL isn't set up to do that. July, Nada, and MC all should definitely be in. But there are scores of foreigners more likely to take them out right now than Incontrol, Catz, Grubby, Fenix, Artosis. Grubby and Artosis maybe I'm okay with since they've proven they have really high skill ceilings- but I'm not sure they have the time to reach them. Anyway just my opinion. NASL probably knows best. Maybe they'll run things in such a way that personality will play a big role in creating popularity. I doubt it, but whatever.
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On March 29 2011 16:47 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 14:06 ChrysaliS_ wrote:On March 29 2011 13:15 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
To the owners of NASL:
If Boxer, Nada, MC, and JulyZerg are not part of the last 5, I will not support NASL.
I surely hope you are saving the best for last. Does anyone care what you think? If Minigun, Morrow, DeMuslim, and ThorZain are not part of the last 5, I will not support NASL. See how stupid it sounds? (not that I don't also want to see at least MC and Boxer) I agree that [bI will not support NASL] was a bit dramatic. But in all honestly if NASL wants to get off a good start, get viewers even from korea (which you want regardless of this tourney is for NA only, EU only, english speaking only or whatever) you need to have names that draws viewers. - BoxeR - You just can't deny the emperor a seat in this tourney. The PR value of having him in there is huge. - Nada - Read above - July - Read above - MC - 2 time GSL champion made an application, speaking english as well as he could. If the 2 time GSL champion, making an application, doesn't make it in then this tourney loses a lot of credibility. I don't care if MC's doesn't like Big Mac or drink Budweiser or doesn't show me what he does on his spare time or whatever way NASL wants us to "connect" with the players. 2 time GSL champion, considered to be the best player today, applying to NASL should of course without any doubt get in. I am CONVINCED the BoxeR, MC, July and Nada will get in. I was thinking the 5th to be Fruitdealer but now I'm not so sure. MorroW should get a seat also. [/b]
it's an invitational, they don't want to oversaturate it with koreans, i guess you're not supporting tsl either because of no july?
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so havent been following the release too closely, but i'm guessing the 5 players tomorrow will be separated between divisions 1-5?
Saving any comments about koreans being included/excluded until after they announce the players, so I don't end up eating my own words. Although I'm not the biggest fan of how they decided invites for this season, I suppose all in all it has turned out reasonably well. Hopefully future seasons will have a better way of deciding who gets in and who gets out. NASL application videos are fun and all, but it should be a more sustainable and reliable method in the long run.
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On March 29 2011 16:58 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:56 dAPhREAk wrote:On March 29 2011 16:53 dapierow wrote:
can someone please answer WHY THE FUCK IS DIMAGA NOT IN HERE??? i think its because he got in a fight and broke his hand. or.....he didnt apply on time. could be the latter, but without reading the boxed mod edit at the top, cant be sure. The person with the hand injury is Demuslim. Like the top of the post, Dimaga applied late.
my attempt at humor was ineffective. =(
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I don't think anyone would dispute right now that MC is clearly the best player in the world based on results and he applied for the NASL. If he isn't in the final five however they rationalize it people would have a right to be upset. I mean cmon the best player in the world, applied for the league, is learning to speak english, is very popular and has great interviews.
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On March 29 2011 17:01 SupastaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:47 papaz wrote:On March 29 2011 14:06 ChrysaliS_ wrote:On March 29 2011 13:15 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
To the owners of NASL:
If Boxer, Nada, MC, and JulyZerg are not part of the last 5, I will not support NASL.
I surely hope you are saving the best for last. Does anyone care what you think? If Minigun, Morrow, DeMuslim, and ThorZain are not part of the last 5, I will not support NASL. See how stupid it sounds? (not that I don't also want to see at least MC and Boxer) I agree that [bI will not support NASL] was a bit dramatic. But in all honestly if NASL wants to get off a good start, get viewers even from korea (which you want regardless of this tourney is for NA only, EU only, english speaking only or whatever) you need to have names that draws viewers. - BoxeR - You just can't deny the emperor a seat in this tourney. The PR value of having him in there is huge. - Nada - Read above - July - Read above - MC - 2 time GSL champion made an application, speaking english as well as he could. If the 2 time GSL champion, making an application, doesn't make it in then this tourney loses a lot of credibility. I don't care if MC's doesn't like Big Mac or drink Budweiser or doesn't show me what he does on his spare time or whatever way NASL wants us to "connect" with the players. 2 time GSL champion, considered to be the best player today, applying to NASL should of course without any doubt get in. I am CONVINCED the BoxeR, MC, July and Nada will get in. I was thinking the 5th to be Fruitdealer but now I'm not so sure. MorroW should get a seat also. it's an invitational, they don't want to oversaturate it with koreans, i guess you're not supporting tsl either because of no july? [/b]
You just don't understand importance of players papaz mentioned. No fucking clue...Why the hell Rainbow was invited? What did he do to get invited? Nothing. Zenio? Nothing. Ensnare? Nothing.
I really hope NASL will be a great tournament but so far, they have been disappointing in almost every aspect. Yes, I sound like a raging nerd of which I am not lol, but IMHO decisions made were rather questionable, like inviting ViBe, dde, etc over more popular players which will give more viewers. By not having DeMuslim (which is not 100% certain), we pretty much ignored UK's best player. Dimaga turned in his application late but I think it shouldn't have matter THAT much... Ignoring Eastern European and post-soviet countries here. Boxer,Nada,July (BW legends) will attract Korean viewers as well and having no-namers I stated above will hurt interest in Korea (Well, they might be invited anyways).
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