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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
March 28 2011 23:52 GMT
#2521
On March 29 2011 08:47 Sky Net wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 07:32 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 29 2011 07:08 p4NDemik wrote:
On March 29 2011 06:44 Minigun wrote:
I think they should have invited more koreans, even if the last 5 are all koreans. I think more than this many applied no?

Koreans who are very doubtful of getting in:

(T)FOX_Lyn (Code-S)
(P)TSL_TesteR (Code-S)
(T)TSL_Clide (Code-S)
(Z)oGsTheWinD (Code-S)
(T)oGsTOP (Code-S)
(P)oGsInCa (Code-S)
(T)oGsSuperNoVa (Code-S)
(T)ST_Virus (Code-S)
(T)ST_Bomber (Code-A)
(Z)SlayerS_Min (Code-A)
(Z)oGsCezanne (currently out of GSL)
(Z)SlayerS_Cella (currently out of GSL)
(P)FOX_SocceR (no GSL experience)
(P)SlayerS_Frozen (no GSL experience)



How do MoMaN, ViBE, dde, Artosis, Incontrol (probably a few others I can't think of right now too) deserve spots over anyone on this list?

I'd love to hear someone try to refute that


Latency. And latency whining. There's enough people going on about how lag is ruining some of the TSL matches. Just having that question up in the air -- not knowing how much of a role lag played in an important match -- takes away from the excitement and enjoyment of the games.

BTW, MoMaN is underrated by people who think he just got in because of his video. He's a strong player. Incontrol is underrated by his haters and overrated by his fans IMO. Don't know anything about how those other names you mentioned play. But just because someone is in GSL doesn't mean they're better than all non-GSL players.


No, but it is a very very good indicator. I'd give a GSL player favored odds against a non-GSL player all day.

Latency is also a lame cop-out. I bet MC and July could beat any of the names I listed above 90%+ of the time, regardless of latency from KR-NA (if it was KR-EU it might be a different story).
"IF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN. THEN YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHINIG YET." - Rev Kojo Smith
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
March 28 2011 23:54 GMT
#2522
Idra has Tyler, Drewbie and Zenio in his group. I'm sure somewhere in this 126 page behemoth thats been discussed already, but it bears (bares?) repeating
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
March 29 2011 00:01 GMT
#2523
On March 29 2011 07:01 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 06:44 Minigun wrote:
I think they should have invited more koreans, even if the last 5 are all koreans. I think more than this many applied no?


Agreed.



+1... not enough koreans IMO.
If you avoid your weakness, it will remain your weakness. www.twitter.com/#!/rootheognis Follow me!
Raine
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada210 Posts
March 29 2011 00:02 GMT
#2524
I'm cheering for InCa, I'd love to see him get into the NASL. We almost never get to see him play minus him losing in the ro32 then winning his up and down matches.
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
March 29 2011 00:02 GMT
#2525
Thank god a mod put the header about jinro, huk and adel. It seems like every other page had someone asking about 1 of the 3 if not more.
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 00:10:04
March 29 2011 00:07 GMT
#2526
On March 29 2011 08:05 CheM wrote:
I really hope Morrow and Minigun are among the last 5 players to get invited


I would also really like to see Minigun invited. That way I can think of the StarWars cantina band every time he plays.


Hmm who else I would really like to see? BoxeR and Supernova would be obvious picks, but not sure beyond that. Maybe DeMusliM. I <3 Mondragon after this weekend, but I think they made their choices long before that. Plus I don't even remember if he applied.


EDIT: Thanks mod for the update on LaLush. I saw he was in the VOD thread so I assumed he got it in on time.
Nihn'kas Neehn
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
March 29 2011 00:19 GMT
#2527
I think any Korean playing in the NASL should be required to play at the oGs-TL house, since it seems like it has the best connection. That way, we can even further reduce latency issues, as it seemed like NaDa and MC were able to play very well without lag problems during the TSL since they were playing from the oGs house.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
March 29 2011 00:25 GMT
#2528
Oh man nice new additions! A few koreans to spice it up. Good to see ret in there as well. My guess about MC, NesTea, SuperNova is that they want to focus on the GSL and didn't apply to the NASL. I am excited to see who the last 5 are. BoxeR? NaDa? MKP? My guess would be BoxeR and maybe another IM and SlayerS member. Looking sweet anyway!
"I am a leaf on the wind."
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 00:28:21
March 29 2011 00:28 GMT
#2529
3 ST players so far out of 5 koreans, Torch working his magic on the appllications lol
Hi
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 29 2011 00:32 GMT
#2530
On March 29 2011 09:25 Hoban wrote:
Oh man nice new additions! A few koreans to spice it up. Good to see ret in there as well. My guess about MC, NesTea, SuperNova is that they want to focus on the GSL and didn't apply to the NASL. I am excited to see who the last 5 are. BoxeR? NaDa? MKP? My guess would be BoxeR and maybe another IM and SlayerS member. Looking sweet anyway!

MC and SuperNoVa did apply for entry into the league, please read the application thread linked in the header note for this thread. MKP, as well as the entirety of IM and Prime did not apply.
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
March 29 2011 00:34 GMT
#2531
On March 29 2011 09:25 Hoban wrote:
Oh man nice new additions! A few koreans to spice it up. Good to see ret in there as well. My guess about MC, NesTea, SuperNova is that they want to focus on the GSL and didn't apply to the NASL. I am excited to see who the last 5 are. BoxeR? NaDa? MKP? My guess would be BoxeR and maybe another IM and SlayerS member. Looking sweet anyway!


umm, but supernova and MC did apply. check the link at the top of the page... a lot of oGs guys applied. it's the IM guys that didn't really apply, hence no MVP or Nestea. Likewise no Jinro or Huk because they didn't apply either.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
kufuPA
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Denmark15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 00:37:39
March 29 2011 00:36 GMT
#2532
nwm
Bobo_XIII
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States429 Posts
March 29 2011 00:37 GMT
#2533
oGsEnsnare said:
"He call me faggot. I don't forget."


Glad to see Ensnare is given the potential opportunity to avenge his honor
There's a hole in the world like a great black pit, and the vermin of the world inhabit it... and its morals aren't worth what a pig could spit, and it goes by the name of Reddit.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
March 29 2011 00:40 GMT
#2534
On March 29 2011 08:54 MajorityofOne wrote:
Idra has Tyler, Drewbie and Zenio in his group. I'm sure somewhere in this 126 page behemoth thats been discussed already, but it bears (bares?) repeating


Most repeating in next months will be vs. Socke:
MLG, NASL + HD World Tournament
lucasesper
Profile Joined June 2010
Brazil181 Posts
March 29 2011 00:42 GMT
#2535
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 29 2011 08:42 Bart wrote:
On March 29 2011 08:34 lucasesper wrote:
They should switch CrunCher to group 5.

Liquibet for the last 5 players: MorroW, MC, July, NaDa, Minigun.


Liquibet for the last 5 players: Morrow, MC, Nada, July, Boxer


Oh, I forgot Boxer. I am stealing your liquibet now.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
March 29 2011 00:46 GMT
#2536
Ret and a group of Koreans, pretty solid day! Eagerly waiting to see the final 5, these names will probably be the biggest, Boxer, MC, Nada more than likely.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
March 29 2011 00:47 GMT
#2537
well I think excluding Koreans Morrow and Demuslim should definitely be there and would like to also see Mondragon, Insolence or NightEnd. But if they get Morrow and Demuslim and some Koreans I think it will be pretty good representation of NA/EU/SEA top players plus selected Koreans. And after first season a lot of names that were missed can get in i think they are replacing like 8 or 16 players every season ?
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
March 29 2011 00:48 GMT
#2538
On March 29 2011 07:43 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 07:38 LuckyFool wrote:
On March 29 2011 07:32 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 29 2011 07:08 p4NDemik wrote:
On March 29 2011 06:44 Minigun wrote:
I think they should have invited more koreans, even if the last 5 are all koreans. I think more than this many applied no?

Koreans who are very doubtful of getting in:

(T)FOX_Lyn (Code-S)
(P)TSL_TesteR (Code-S)
(T)TSL_Clide (Code-S)
(Z)oGsTheWinD (Code-S)
(T)oGsTOP (Code-S)
(P)oGsInCa (Code-S)
(T)oGsSuperNoVa (Code-S)
(T)ST_Virus (Code-S)
(T)ST_Bomber (Code-A)
(Z)SlayerS_Min (Code-A)
(Z)oGsCezanne (currently out of GSL)
(Z)SlayerS_Cella (currently out of GSL)
(P)FOX_SocceR (no GSL experience)
(P)SlayerS_Frozen (no GSL experience)



How do MoMaN, ViBE, dde, Artosis, Incontrol (probably a few others I can't think of right now too) deserve spots over anyone on this list?

I'd love to hear someone try to refute that


Because this is the North American star league and they speak english? I dunno. Part of the NASL brands itself to being "the best of the best" but another part equally brands itself to having personality, relateable players and exciting rivalry/backstories.


And those two parts directly oppose each other (for the most part). They need to decide which one it is, cause right now it's more so looking like the "personality/backstories/etc" part.


Obviously in a hype video they'll put in the statement "the best of the best", what the hell do you think they'd put? Have you not seen a marketing advertisement ever?? Why would they want to put "The somewhat good but not the best". Any company which markets a product will claim they have the best of the best....

As mentioned by many people before me, they are obviously going in a different direction than the GSL.. Its a north american star league, why would they want to fill that with Koreans? Why would they want an exact clone of the GSL? They are preaching to us that they want to revolutionize western e-sports. From what i can see so far, they want a tournament that supports the growth of western progamers. They want exciting backstories, rivalries and create a scene where everyone here can start to relate to even relatively unknown western progamers. They are helping these people build a brand for themselves in the community.. Sure there'll be a couple of Koreans mixed in so that the community will be hyped about upsets that are bound to come, but by and large, they want it to be comprised of a Foreigner progamer majority

alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
March 29 2011 00:53 GMT
#2539
On March 29 2011 09:48 nufcrulz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 07:43 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 29 2011 07:38 LuckyFool wrote:
On March 29 2011 07:32 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 29 2011 07:08 p4NDemik wrote:
On March 29 2011 06:44 Minigun wrote:
I think they should have invited more koreans, even if the last 5 are all koreans. I think more than this many applied no?

Koreans who are very doubtful of getting in:

(T)FOX_Lyn (Code-S)
(P)TSL_TesteR (Code-S)
(T)TSL_Clide (Code-S)
(Z)oGsTheWinD (Code-S)
(T)oGsTOP (Code-S)
(P)oGsInCa (Code-S)
(T)oGsSuperNoVa (Code-S)
(T)ST_Virus (Code-S)
(T)ST_Bomber (Code-A)
(Z)SlayerS_Min (Code-A)
(Z)oGsCezanne (currently out of GSL)
(Z)SlayerS_Cella (currently out of GSL)
(P)FOX_SocceR (no GSL experience)
(P)SlayerS_Frozen (no GSL experience)



How do MoMaN, ViBE, dde, Artosis, Incontrol (probably a few others I can't think of right now too) deserve spots over anyone on this list?

I'd love to hear someone try to refute that


Because this is the North American star league and they speak english? I dunno. Part of the NASL brands itself to being "the best of the best" but another part equally brands itself to having personality, relateable players and exciting rivalry/backstories.


And those two parts directly oppose each other (for the most part). They need to decide which one it is, cause right now it's more so looking like the "personality/backstories/etc" part.


Obviously in a hype video they'll put in the statement "the best of the best", what the hell do you think they'd put? Have you not seen a marketing advertisement ever?? Why would they want to put "The somewhat good but not the best". Any company which markets a product will claim they have the best of the best....

As mentioned by many people before me, they are obviously going in a different direction than the GSL.. Its a north american star league, why would they want to fill that with Koreans? Why would they want an exact clone of the GSL? They are preaching to us that they want to revolutionize western e-sports. From what i can see so far, they want a tournament that supports the growth of western progamers. They want exciting backstories, rivalries and create a scene where everyone here can start to relate to even relatively unknown western progamers. They are helping these people build a brand for themselves in the community.. Sure there'll be a couple of Koreans mixed in so that the community will be hyped about upsets that are bound to come, but by and large, they want it to be comprised of a Foreigner progamer majority



Because when you sell something you always undersell and overdeliver. The other way around just results in disappointed customers.
caracarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden141 Posts
March 29 2011 00:54 GMT
#2540
On March 29 2011 08:50 Mysticvoid wrote:
I honestly can't help but post what CatZ posted in the Korea vs the World thread. It's so Perfect and deserves to be seen again.


+ Show Spoiler +
On March 28 2011 21:15 CatZ.root wrote:
lets hope people actually start supporting and respecting international players instead of idolizing and making excuses for whenever koreans lose against forgeiners... this isn't broodwar, the gap is way smaller at the top level.

People in the western hemisphere have brains too, and don't need to just blindly copy builds to get by. It'd be really nice to see people actually wanting to make esports a reality outside of korea, but the way a lot of people think is really discouraging and depressing.

Koreans are not invincible! -YET- why do I say YET? its simple, they are pulling ahead, not far ahead, just ahead. Because of events like GSL they can train a lot and have reachable goals that make it worth while for them to commit to the game. No one seems to complain that there isn't enough forgeiners in GSL, However, everyone likes complain and cry to make sure that Koreans are invited to events like TSL or NASL (NORTH AMERICAN STARLEAGUE).

I am not saying koreans should be just excluded from all international events, but the truth is, the only way to make esports successful is to create a competitive enviroment, where I am scared of playing KiWiKaKi not MC. Need our own 'stars' our own prizes and our own incentives on this side of the world. Need to create an enviroment where people aren't looking to move to korea, but instead move to this side of the map, like IdrA did.

There should be events like this one or WCG or many others where there are opportunities for people all over the world to face each other, but we need to create some sort of separation as an incentive to "foreigners" to train and improve in a similar enviroment as they have setup in korea.

You reading this are a 'foreigner'...but why are you the 'foreigner', is your brain less capable of producing quality strategy, are your hands too fat and slow by nature's default?

ffs lets stop being the foreigners.



Catz is so right about it. The most important thing is that we let e-sport grow in the west, we dont need to focus at the negative things. And we need something big to train and aim for in the west that is what matters...
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