On March 16 2011 03:09 DeMusliM wrote: Hey sorry for such a late vid but here we go!
That was a really good interview. You picked a nice spot for it and you spoke very well and even had some unintentional humor in there.
I didn't know much about you but you gained a new fan today. I hope you do well... and I hope your broken hand/arm hasn't affected you too much. Good luck!
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
What would you propose then as a test for communicating "properly." Literacy tests? Heard those worked quite well for blacks back in the day. The NrG manager and you should be bashed for harboring and promoting racist thought. Suffice it to say, I think that the majority of TL would rather watch July play in the USA, then you or NrG.
God I hate it when "racist" gets thrown around like its the new posh word to say, just to cheaply bolster an argument. Also one of the NrG player is Asian but whatever.
On March 16 2011 03:21 DeMusliM wrote: just had a plate fitted since i knocked the screws in my arm loose :S. But yeah the hand itself is alot better now, and in a short time the elbow will be feeling better too
have you been able to play much lately with your injuries? lol at the girl too haha, hope you get in NASL man
Ok, I just started watching the vids, but oh...my...god.. do i love the complexity.Firezerg application ... he really made me laugh, and it was (of the vids I have seen until now) also by far the best produced video of them.
On March 16 2011 03:05 RevRich wrote:For most casual American players (i.e. the average Husky subscriber) watching Idra, Tyler, TLO, TT1, qxc, white-ra, Painuser, and countless others IS watching high level play. You need to remember we're trying to grow e-sports in America, not cater to the needs of a small group of people who find the aforementioned names "low tier".
Why would I pay money so that you americans can grow e-sports over there? I'd rather see high level of play and that's what I pay for when I buy GSL tickets. Besides, a sport scene that is not competitive does not interest me.
NASL targets NA/EU spectators. You wouldn't be happy seeing top EU players competing? You MUST have Korean players to make it worth watching? So you didn't watch dreamhack (1 or 2 koreans max?), Assembly winter, or any MLGs? They weren't competitive?
For me, nationality plays next to no role in starcraft. Of course, I would like to see NA and EU players, but only if their high skills demands that they are in that tournament, fighting with the best.
I do not want to see any player getting off with devoting himself less to this sport that I hold dear, just because he or she happend to be born near my country.
And yes, I didn't watch dreamhack, assembly or any mlg, but only because I had other things to do. dreamhack for example took place during regular working hours, how could I watch that...? <.< Oh, I did watch some part of dreamhack though, in particular the endless tiebreaker of doom. :-)
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
What would you propose then as a test for communicating "properly." Literacy tests? Heard those worked quite well for blacks back in the day. The NrG manager and you should be bashed for harboring and promoting racist thought. Suffice it to say, I think that the majority of TL would rather watch July play in the USA, then you or NrG.
God I hate it when "racist" gets thrown around like its the new posh word to say, just to cheaply bolster an argument. Also one of the NrG player is Asian but whatever.
If you don't like "racist," I'll change the word to "xenophobic." Argument still stands.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
What would you propose then as a test for communicating "properly." Literacy tests? Heard those worked quite well for blacks back in the day. The NrG manager and you should be bashed for harboring and promoting racist thought. Suffice it to say, I think that the majority of TL would rather watch July play in the USA, then you or NrG.
God I hate it when "racist" gets thrown around like its the new posh word to say, just to cheaply bolster an argument. Also one of the NrG player is Asian but whatever.
If you don't like "racist," I'll change the word to "xenophobic." Argument still stands.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
Seriously? OF COURSE they're in it for the money. They are professional gamers. It's their job to win tournaments and make money playing starcraft.
No offense, but when you're not playing on your parents' expense, you will understand why your argument is a little silly.
I know that they're busy with the GSL, but still, no application by Huk and Jinro? :-( Anyways, I hope more korean teams will apply like startale did. :-)
For what it's worth, I haven't seen any foreigners making video's speaking Korean (or attempting to). I think the Koreans would bring some nice flavor to the NASL as long as it doesn't turn into a GSL clone and it seems that some people here are really undervaluing the skill of NA/EU pro players. I've seen IdrA/Jinro lose in clan wars to NA players, watched Socke/Sjow/Ace battle out way too many games and it might be worth reserving criticism of the player pool for when the players have been selected.
On March 16 2011 04:32 JustPassingBy wrote: I know that they're busy with the GSL, but still, no application by Huk and Jinro? :-( Anyways, I hope more korean teams will apply like startale did. :-)
Both of them are in Code S, they know for a fact that they aren't going to be able to come back to the states or be able to play from Korea. July did send in an application but who knows if he'll even accept their invitation if they accept him. Just be happy they are playing against the best of the best in the world!
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
On March 16 2011 04:32 JustPassingBy wrote: I know that they're busy with the GSL, but still, no application by Huk and Jinro? :-( Anyways, I hope more korean teams will apply like startale did. :-)
Both of them are in Code S, they know for a fact that they aren't going to be able to come back to the states or be able to play from Korea. July did send in an application but who knows if he'll even accept their invitation if they accept him. Just be happy they are playing against the best of the best in the world!
Well, I do hope they will make NASL and GSL compatitive to each other, so that players who participate in one cannot participate in the other. Like in the one season of GSL, where some games were shifted because the players were outside korea participating in other tournaments (was that blizzcon?).
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
What would you propose then as a test for communicating "properly." Literacy tests? Heard those worked quite well for blacks back in the day. The NrG manager and you should be bashed for harboring and promoting racist thought. Suffice it to say, I think that the majority of TL would rather watch July play in the USA, then you or NrG.
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What makes you think it has anything to do with race? None of my points have anything against Koreans. I respect them immensely, but I'd prefer not to see them in NASL. If a Korean player were to live in the US and interact with our community and players, that would be fantastic. As it is, I don't expect that to happen. For example, I think someone like Cella would definitely be more acceptable.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
On March 16 2011 04:32 JustPassingBy wrote: I know that they're busy with the GSL, but still, no application by Huk and Jinro? :-( Anyways, I hope more korean teams will apply like startale did. :-)
Both of them are in Code S, they know for a fact that they aren't going to be able to come back to the states or be able to play from Korea. July did send in an application but who knows if he'll even accept their invitation if they accept him. Just be happy they are playing against the best of the best in the world!
Well, I do hope they will make NASL and GSL compatitive to each other, so that players who participate in one cannot participate in the other. Like in the one season of GSL, where some games were shifted because the players were outside korea participating in other tournaments (was that blizzcon?).
Yeah, it was Blizzcon.
I sure hope they participate, I don't see any reason for them not to, it's an online tournament aside from the final week. I mean, GSL isn't stopping them from attending MLG events.
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