This all really boils down to that the anti-koreans are shitting in their pants thinking about koreans coming in because they feel they are simply too good and cannot beat them. Why this attitude? Let them come! I'd love to play vs the top koreans, I don't care if they're in it to "steal my money", I really don't want the whole BW-attitude back again where it's the "newbie foreigners" doing their own thing while korea is the real deal and lightyears ahead of everyone else. We have all the means necessary (NASL!! Big teams, sponsors, players devoting all their time to this game) what says we cannot compete with the koreans? I feel like people have already "given up" on competing against the koreans, and it makes me really sad .
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
I doubt they purposefully did it that way, this isn't their native language, yet they tried. They could've just stood there, spoke in korean, and had text float across instead, but they opted to try to speak english as best they could to try to appease americans and hopefully their foreigner fans. It's kind of shitty that you're attacking their lack of english speaking ability as some sort of barrier for them to enter. What if GSL required you to submit korean applications, we'd be outraged, and i doubt they'd call any foreigner to WHO TRIED their best "giving low effort".
I'm not screaming bloody racism or anything, i just don't see this as a reason to outright deny them. I didn't realize NASL application VODs were based on how witty or silly you can make it to get in. If that's the case I guess a lot of the straight up videos don't get in either, like TLO or SeleCT
I'm with you there, the Startale apps show no signs of them wanting to really do anything except make a quick buck, but quite frankly, they aren't going to come live in LA for a few weeks to compete, and it seems like they're not even acknowledging that fact. They aren't entering for the community at all. I think it'd be fun to have one or two Koreans that have been part of the foreigner scene like a Cella, but in the end if the idea of the NASL is to grow foreign esports then why should they invite 6 koreans from one team that was able to write a script up for the video.
I can see July play in the GSL, I'd rather see dde and Pokebunny in the NASL.
Im not gonna read through all the 80 pages, but since they are not in the OP, i assume i should be posting them. These are the videos for the Startale Korean Team, 6 members did an application video.
Personally I think the complaints for the Koreans' application vods is silly. It's especially silly that people are complaining when a good two-thirds of the non Korean vods aren't serious to begin with. Personally I think that they could have had the ST players speak and just translate it and post with subtitles. The team could have put that time into the vods, but again, most of the non Korean vods have just as little effort put into them anyway. Whatever, I'm fine with the ST applictions, I just don't see what people could possibly be complaining about.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
I doubt they purposefully did it that way, this isn't their native language, yet they tried. They could've just stood there, spoke in korean, and had text float across instead, but they opted to try to speak english as best they could to try to appease americans and hopefully their foreigner fans. It's kind of shitty that you're attacking their lack of english speaking ability as some sort of barrier for them to enter. What if GSL required you to submit korean applications, we'd be outraged, and i doubt they'd call any foreigner to WHO TRIED their best "giving low effort".
I'm not screaming bloody racism or anything, i just don't see this as a reason to outright deny them. I didn't realize NASL application VODs were based on how witty or silly you can make it to get in. If that's the case I guess a lot of the straight up videos don't get in either, like TLO or SeleCT
I think it would be fantastic if GSL required you to learn some korean. I don't want every kid who thinks he's half decent going to korea.
On March 16 2011 05:36 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm with you there, the Startale apps show no signs of them wanting to really do anything except make a quick buck, but quite frankly, they aren't going to come live in LA for a few weeks to compete, and it seems like they're not even acknowledging that fact. They aren't entering for the community at all. I think it'd be fun to have one or two Koreans that have been part of the foreigner scene like a Cella, but in the end if the idea of the NASL is to grow foreign esports then why should they invite 6 koreans from one team that was able to write a script up for the video.
I can see July play in the GSL, I'd rather see dde and Pokebunny in the NASL.
I agree Cella for NASL! Can we be constructive and make that happen rather than yell back and forth?
I applaud their efforts in speaking English, but I'd rather have subtitles and more substance personally. Taken at face value it's undeniable their videos are of inferior content and quality to the others (that doesn't necessarily mean they should be denied though).
On March 16 2011 05:37 Cammalleri wrote: Im not gonna read through all the 80 pages, but since they are not in the OP, i assume i should be posting them.
Wait, are you serious? You don't have to read the last page to see what the topic of the thread is already about...
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
I doubt they purposefully did it that way, this isn't their native language, yet they tried. They could've just stood there, spoke in korean, and had text float across instead, but they opted to try to speak english as best they could to try to appease americans and hopefully their foreigner fans. It's kind of shitty that you're attacking their lack of english speaking ability as some sort of barrier for them to enter. What if GSL required you to submit korean applications, we'd be outraged, and i doubt they'd call any foreigner to WHO TRIED their best "giving low effort".
I'm not screaming bloody racism or anything, i just don't see this as a reason to outright deny them. I didn't realize NASL application VODs were based on how witty or silly you can make it to get in. If that's the case I guess a lot of the straight up videos don't get in either, like TLO or SeleCT
I think it would be fantastic if GSL required you to learn some korean. I don't want every kid who thinks he's half decent going to korea.
Perhaps Dreamhack should require that you speak Swedish, then. Or Assembly that you speak Finnish.
And of course, I doubt Jinro speaks much Korean, and yet he's now officially included in the "every kid who thinks he's half decent" category.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
wow.
You are still trying to defend that invites should be based on nationality and culture rather then skill.
You are not even putting up sensible argument like the logistical nightmare it would be to incorporate the koreans in the league. You are saying and I quote:
If a Korean player were to live in the US and interact with our community and players, that would be fantastic. As it is, I don't expect that to happen. For example, I think someone like Cella would definitely be more acceptable.
That it's the culture difference and the fact that they dont actually live in the US that should ban them from the league.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
I doubt they purposefully did it that way, this isn't their native language, yet they tried. They could've just stood there, spoke in korean, and had text float across instead, but they opted to try to speak english as best they could to try to appease americans and hopefully their foreigner fans. It's kind of shitty that you're attacking their lack of english speaking ability as some sort of barrier for them to enter. What if GSL required you to submit korean applications, we'd be outraged, and i doubt they'd call any foreigner to WHO TRIED their best "giving low effort".
I'm not screaming bloody racism or anything, i just don't see this as a reason to outright deny them. I didn't realize NASL application VODs were based on how witty or silly you can make it to get in. If that's the case I guess a lot of the straight up videos don't get in either, like TLO or SeleCT
I think it would be fantastic if GSL required you to learn some korean. I don't want every kid who thinks he's half decent going to korea.
Come on.. now you are just grasping at straws..
But in case you are really trying to make a valid argument,
half decent in what? in starcraft or in korean language?
Do you think it was rude for the TL guys to go and qualify for GSL despite not being able to speak Korean. Same with iNcontrol, Kiwikaki, Moonglade, Spades, etc. Do you think they were trying to get GSL bucks and fame without learning the language and thus they are putting minimal effort and thus it was rude?
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
What would you propose then as a test for communicating "properly." Literacy tests? Heard those worked quite well for blacks back in the day. The NrG manager and you should be bashed for harboring and promoting racist thought. Suffice it to say, I think that the majority of TL would rather watch July play in the USA, then you or NrG.
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What makes you think it has anything to do with race? None of my points have anything against Koreans. I respect them immensely, but I'd prefer not to see them in NASL. If a Korean player were to live in the US and interact with our community and players, that would be fantastic. As it is, I don't expect that to happen. For example, I think someone like Cella would definitely be more acceptable.
the koreans are struggling to learn english. but to be fair to them this is the first time they will have a reason to step out of korea for gaming for more than a short weekend. a month long league is worth for them to take the time to come away from korea; last years mlg circuit just wasnt. and reading from a peice of paper is more effort to learn english than ANY foreigner has put in to learning korean to play in the gsl. even idra, artosis and tasteless who were/are out there for 3+ years barely speak a word.
if the nasl wants to be world class, it has to include korea, and if you want to force them to speak english to compete, they have to start somewhere. did you think they would hear about the nasl last month, then learn fluent enough english in that time to do a 10 minute interview?
I don't understand why koreans have to interact with a community of which they don't speak the same language as to play. If they can meet all the necessary requirements to participate, why can't they?
Would you be okay with them competing if they destroyed the NA ladder with probably near 80% win rates? Because they probably could easily.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
wow.
You are still trying to defend that invites should be based on nationality and culture rather then skill.
You are not even putting up sensible argument like the logistical nightmare it would be to incorporate the koreans in the league. You are saying and I quote:
If a Korean player were to live in the US and interact with our community and players, that would be fantastic. As it is, I don't expect that to happen. For example, I think someone like Cella would definitely be more acceptable.
That it's the culture difference and the fact that they dont actually live in the US that should ban them from the league.
I'm speechless.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. When I want to watch Koreans, I watch GSL. I think it would be fantastic to watch a season of players I know as part of our community over an entire season competing against eachother. It's not racist at all, it's just what I want to see.
On March 16 2011 05:36 meRz wrote: This all really boils down to that the anti-koreans are shitting in their pants thinking about koreans coming in because they feel they are simply too good and cannot beat them. Why this attitude? Let them come! I'd love to play vs the top koreans, I don't care if they're in it to "steal my money", I really don't want the whole BW-attitude back again where it's the "newbie foreigners" doing their own thing while korea is the real deal and lightyears ahead of everyone else. We have all the means necessary (NASL!! Big teams, sponsors, players devoting all their time to this game) what says we cannot compete with the koreans? I feel like people have already "given up" on competing against the koreans, and it makes me really sad .
Good post, I think most people who come from a BW history agrees on this topic. I think the european and NA scene REALLY needs to compete more often with the korean scene to not get "left behind". If this happens we could very well find ourself in the same situation as with BW where the gap had grown so huge noone could catch up with the korean scene no matter what.
On March 15 2011 21:48 Nimic wrote: I'm loving the argument that the Koreans shouldn't be let in because they haven't been involved in the foreigner scene much. For one thing, they sort of have, lately. Dreamhack, IEM, FXOpen(i)s, etc. It's got to start somewhere. And therein lies the second point. There's a logical disconnect somewhere in denying someone the chance to be involved in the foreigner scene because they haven't been a part of the foreigner scene.
You can laugh all you will at their minute-or-less videos (the "jibberish" comment from the Nrg fellow I have never heard of was particularly classy), but this shows that they want to be part of our scene. Is it because of money? Who cares if it is? For one thing it probably isn't, not completely. I'm sure they are like any other people, and would love the chance to travel to different places and compete, perhaps gaining a ton of fans you didn't even know where there in the process. And it's not like Foreigner pro-gamers don't care about money.
I think that if the NASL organizers restricted Korean entries into the league too much, it would betray their stated goal. Namely to have the worlds best players competing. Obviously there should be some sort of restriction, so that all of the players aren't Korean (though I have my doubts that that many Koreans would even try to get in), but we need a fair few Koreans for this to be legitimate.
Sure, a Korean could end up winning the first few seasons. Or Idra could. Or Ret. Or WhiteRA. Either way, can you imagine the publicity the NASL would get in the SC2 community, or even the gaming community in general, the first time a foreigner beat a fairly known Korean? It would make it all worth it.
?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy.
As little effort given as possible? GTFO kid. NASL seriously need to put some age restriction
They can't possibly give less effort than reading a 1 min statement in a manner impossible to understand. At least practice a couple times to get it to be understandable.
I doubt they purposefully did it that way, this isn't their native language, yet they tried. They could've just stood there, spoke in korean, and had text float across instead, but they opted to try to speak english as best they could to try to appease americans and hopefully their foreigner fans. It's kind of shitty that you're attacking their lack of english speaking ability as some sort of barrier for them to enter. What if GSL required you to submit korean applications, we'd be outraged, and i doubt they'd call any foreigner to WHO TRIED their best "giving low effort".
I'm not screaming bloody racism or anything, i just don't see this as a reason to outright deny them. I didn't realize NASL application VODs were based on how witty or silly you can make it to get in. If that's the case I guess a lot of the straight up videos don't get in either, like TLO or SeleCT
I think it would be fantastic if GSL required you to learn some korean. I don't want every kid who thinks he's half decent going to korea.
Come on.. now you are just grasping at straws..
But in case you are really trying to make a valid argument,
half decent in what? in starcraft or in korean language?
Do you think it was rude for the TL guys to go and qualify for GSL despite not being able to speak Korean. Same with iNcontrol, Kiwikaki, Moonglade, Spades, etc. Do you think they were trying to get GSL bucks and fame without learning the language and thus they are putting minimal effort and thus it was rude?
Yep. The people who just go for a week to try and qualify I think is dumb.
On March 16 2011 05:47 chonkyfire wrote: Pokebunny -
I don't understand why koreans have to interact with a community of which they don't speak the same language as to play. If they can meet all the necessary requirements to participate, why can't they?
Would you be okay with them competing if they destroyed the NA ladder with probably near 80% win rates? Because they probably could easily.
On March 16 2011 05:36 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm with you there, the Startale apps show no signs of them wanting to really do anything except make a quick buck, but quite frankly, they aren't going to come live in LA for a few weeks to compete, and it seems like they're not even acknowledging that fact. They aren't entering for the community at all. I think it'd be fun to have one or two Koreans that have been part of the foreigner scene like a Cella, but in the end if the idea of the NASL is to grow foreign esports then why should they invite 6 koreans from one team that was able to write a script up for the video.
I can see July play in the GSL, I'd rather see dde and Pokebunny in the NASL.
You see, I think that's just stupid to close off the tournament like that. iNcontroL has said that their aim is to have the best players in the world battle it out. You can't do that without the top Koreans. There's nowhere in the rules that says "oh you have to be part of our community to enter." To shut off the biggest competitive scene for Starcraft will only fracture the scenes even more. Of coarse they're entering the tournaments for the money, but who are you to say they aren't professional SC players because they don't love StarCraft? Who's to say people don't enter MLG to "make a quick buck?"
On March 16 2011 05:36 ZlaSHeR wrote: I'm with you there, the Startale apps show no signs of them wanting to really do anything except make a quick buck, but quite frankly, they aren't going to come live in LA for a few weeks to compete, and it seems like they're not even acknowledging that fact. They aren't entering for the community at all. I think it'd be fun to have one or two Koreans that have been part of the foreigner scene like a Cella, but in the end if the idea of the NASL is to grow foreign esports then why should they invite 6 koreans from one team that was able to write a script up for the video.
I can see July play in the GSL, I'd rather see dde and Pokebunny in the NASL.
You see, I think that's just stupid to close off the tournament like that. iNcontroL has said that their aim is to have the best players in the world battle it out. You can't do that without the top Koreans. There's nowhere in the rules that says "oh you have to be part of our community to enter." To shut off the biggest competitive scene for Starcraft will only fracture the scenes even more. Of coarse they're entering the tournaments for the money, but who are you to say they aren't professional SC players because they don't love StarCraft? Who's to say people don't enter MLG to "make a quick buck."
iNcontrol has also said a big part of the league is to build up teams, rivalries, and personalities that fans can rally around. While I think some of the Startale players (July for example) would fit that goal well many of the others I'm not so sure about. Cella would also certainly fill that because he's baller.
I'd like Korean players to get in because they fit the goals of the league, not just because they're Korean.
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