EPTNASL application VODS - Page 78
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HmhFanclub
Canada15 Posts
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
On March 16 2011 01:42 Titorelli wrote: 1) Just because GSL has a big entry barrier doesn't mean that we (non-Koreans) should also make big barriers for Koreans who want to compete in our leagues. This argument is somewhat childish: He doesn't let me play with his toy so I don't allow him to play with mine. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying people weren't mentioning the fact that GSL has a pretty stout barrier of entry, even if they don't limit the # of foreigners in the way the NASL might. On March 16 2011 01:49 kaisr wrote: I've never understood random patriotism in areas where they make no sense, I just like seeing top level play. Why or how the best of the best got that way is pretty irrelevant to me. I'd much rather see top level players going at it than random mid/low level foreigners playing. For most casual American players (i.e. the average Husky subscriber) watching Idra, Tyler, TLO, TT1, qxc, white-ra, Painuser, and countless others IS watching high level play. You need to remember we're trying to grow e-sports in America, not cater to the needs of a small group of people who find the aforementioned names "low tier". In my opinion inviting 15 Koreans to crush the NASL every season will not help popularize e-sports in America. On March 16 2011 01:53 deerpark87 wrote: Not only are they offering seedings for the top players, but also online regional qualifier to fill the other spots. But that is not all, GOM will also PAY for your plane ticket to Korea. So yea, they don't support foreigner. They try their best, but its still a huge commitment to play in the GSL. You will need to rearrange your entire life to play in the GSL, whereas to compete in the NASL you need only to commit to a short-term trip to play in the finals. On March 16 2011 02:18 0neder wrote: We will never compete with Korea if we segregate our communities. We will compete AND grow e-sports by hyping the fun international bond we have and mixing players from both communities as much as possible. Nope, the only thing that will allow us to compete with the Koreans is to have the same ability to train hard like they do. Our culture in America/Europe does not support 12 hours a day 7 days a week training, its as simple as that. My only concern is this: We invite 10 Koreans every season to come play in the NASL and they completely dominate due to their sheer commitment to training stracraft 24/7. They take the huge prize back to Korea, and we don't see or hear from them again until the next NASL. Its not even their fault - they dont speak our language, they dont live in our country's, they dont even play on the same starcraft server! I just think I'd be more fun to see Idra (or any foreigner) pimping in a penthouse in downtown LA off his NASL prize winnings. Can your average American/European players with real lives (people with girlfriends, wives, jobs, families, etc etc) relate to Korean players? Will they connect with them like they would a college student from their home country? I'm not sure. Remember we're trying to grow e-sports, not cater to the niche crowd who demands only the best of the best play and nothing more. The best spectating I've experienced in starcraft 2 was watching the MLG casts last year. I'm an average player with life responsibilities other than starcraft and watching Idra and Jinro play is top level enough to me. I'm thinking many casual foreign players/spectators feel the same, but maybe I'm wrong. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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JackhammerIV
United Kingdom221 Posts
On March 16 2011 03:08 [F_]aths wrote: The Darkforce video is not working for me. Is there a solution to watch it? Darkforce removed it and uploaded a new video. The most up to date list of videos is on page 51. That's the problem when the OP's list is copying my list and isn't updated as frequently as mine.  If you're lazy to click on 51...EDIT: DeMuslim's video has just been added to the list on page 51. On a side note still waiting to know which team Sky is under. Currently he's under other since I can't hear him clearly state his team name. For the mean time i've put him under thermaltake. Hopefully that's correct. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
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dtz
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missed this but sick pun here! | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
On March 16 2011 03:09 DeMusliM wrote: Hey sorry for such a late vid but here we go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEaC2-203bY lol@4:05 | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On March 16 2011 03:05 RevRich wrote:For most casual American players (i.e. the average Husky subscriber) watching Idra, Tyler, TLO, TT1, qxc, white-ra, Painuser, and countless others IS watching high level play. You need to remember we're trying to grow e-sports in America, not cater to the needs of a small group of people who find the aforementioned names "low tier". Why would I pay money so that you americans can grow e-sports over there? I'd rather see high level of play and that's what I pay for when I buy GSL tickets. Besides, a sport scene that is not competitive does not interest me. Anyways, go July!!! I kinda wish his application VOD would be more ballard though. Imagine July saying like Illidan in some WoW Trailer: "You dare enter MY realm?" :-) | ||
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
Then again, based on the rules, a lot of these highly skilled Korean players will not be invited due to the fact that they don't have much results.. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
just like the TSL3 will be amazing to see our favorites go up against each other the NASL can be all that and possibly more, but not if it is limiting the players allowed just to "grow american esports" better. counter intuitive. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
On March 16 2011 03:09 DeMusliM wrote: Hey sorry for such a late vid but here we go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEaC2-203bY yaaaaaaaaaaaay demuslim. arm feeling better? | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 16 2011 03:21 DeMusliM wrote: just had a plate fitted since i knocked the screws in my arm loose :S. But yeah the hand itself is alot better now, and in a short time the elbow will be feeling better too LOL at 4:05, was the girl hot, hahaha | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 16 2011 02:50 ParasitJonte wrote:It's bad because I have a feeling a lot of people who want to play sc2 but also want to study/work etc Well, we're not trying to put korean players against western amatures, but rather professional players against professional players. ^^ | ||
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrLeeminj Not my channel, just found it | ||
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
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chonkyfire
United States451 Posts
On March 15 2011 23:57 vdale wrote: I personally would rather see my favorite players in the NASL than some Koreans who I don't care about. You can't say you want to see Incontrol vs Julyzerg, because if there are more Koreans, there is for example no room for Incontrol. Many people want to see the players from their nation to be in the league: (I will pick max. 6 for every country, but there are many more really good players) Germany: Socke, TLO, Goody, Darkforce, HasuObs, (Insolence), .... USA: Idra, QXC, Tyler, Select, Axslav, KawaiiRice, ... Canada: Huk, Kiwikaki, Drewbie, TT1, (Slush), ... Sweden: Jinro, Morrow, Sjow, Naniwa, Haypro, Lalush, ... Ukraine: White-Ra, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok, (Bly), ... France: Adelscott, Sarens, Moman, ToD, (Stephano), ... Poland: Tarson, Mana, Diestar, Nerchio, ... Russia: BratOK, (Abver), ... Then there are many countries with 1 or 2 top players (Demuslim, Cloud, Nightend, Killer, Naama, Fenix, Moonglade, Sen) That's almost 50 names and I didn't include all the great players/legends/community people (Artosis, Grubby, Incontrol, Mondragon, ... ). So which player from your country would you leave out for another Korean? That's the question. I would be happy if they invite one top Korean player for every group, but I don't want to see 20 Koreans and many Korean vs Korean games in the group stage, because we already have the GSL to watch. for Mvp, Nestea, Tester, MC, marineking...? anybody you mentioned | ||
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
On March 16 2011 03:17 JustPassingBy wrote: Why would I pay money so that you americans can grow e-sports over there? I'd rather see high level of play and that's what I pay for when I buy GSL tickets. Besides, a sport scene that is not competitive does not interest me. NASL targets NA/EU spectators. You wouldn't be happy seeing top EU players competing? You MUST have Korean players to make it worth watching? So you didn't watch dreamhack (1 or 2 koreans max?), Assembly winter, or any MLGs? They weren't competitive? On March 16 2011 03:19 Kazeyonoma wrote: do the people complaining about korean's coming here and bringing forth the best of best "ruining" NASL the same people who stay in bronze just to dominate noobs? I mean seriously. I doubt any of the pro-gamers who are app'ing, want to make this an "exclusive" tournament where we bar out any foreign nations, whether it be from EU, CH, TW or from KR. This line of thinking is just stupid. just like the TSL3 will be amazing to see our favorites go up against each other the NASL can be all that and possibly more, but not if it is limiting the players allowed just to "grow american esports" better. counter intuitive. It doesn't need to be exclusive, but the NASL certainly needs to have some restriction on the number of Korean players that are invited. TSL3 will be great, but so were the NA/EU tournaments that had very few, if any, Korean players. You CAN have a exciting, competitive, spectator friendly tournaments without mass Koreans. Once again, nobody is saying exclude Koreans because they're too good - NASL just needs to look at this issue very closely and make the best decision to grow e-sports and the NASL. | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On March 15 2011 23:48 Pokebunny wrote: ?? You saw July's video, they read these off a piece of paper probably prepared by a manager. Their videos are more of a turn-off to me than anything, as it shows they can't even communicate properly during the event. They don't want to be a part of the scene, they just want to win the cash with as little effort given as possible. Bashing NrG's manager who has grown the team for six years for a valid comment is also particularly classy. What would you propose then as a test for communicating "properly." Literacy tests? Heard those worked quite well for blacks back in the day. The NrG manager and you should be bashed for harboring and promoting racist thought. Suffice it to say, I think that the majority of TL would rather watch July play in the USA, then you or NrG. User was banned for this post. | ||
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