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On November 07 2010 11:46 Shika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:34 Azarkon wrote:On November 07 2010 11:29 Shika wrote:On November 07 2010 11:22 KiNGxXx wrote:On November 07 2010 11:17 Azarkon wrote:On November 07 2010 11:14 KiNGxXx wrote:Yeah no one predicted this  Looks like people all underestimated the talent that exists in the US/Canada, since 3/4 are American/Canadian. So, how many American/Canadian take part in this tournament? Don't pull the numbers game, please. European tournaments have more EU players as well... LOL What? YOU pulled the numbers game with your "3/4" comment. And it's pretty normal that you have more NA players in the top 4 when there are more players of them in the tournament. Look through the bracket Azarkon.. None of the americans in the winner bracket top 4 has had to face europeans on their way there (except Painuser, but Nazgul hasn't really practiced as much as everyone else). Europeans has mostly knocked each other down to the loser bracket. edit: said machine instead of painuser. TT1 knocked TLO down to the LB as well. And this isn't an EU vs. NA contest. It's a statement about NA players. Even if NA players didn't knock out Socke or Ret, they did knock out the likes of Sen and SeleCT. I apologize, I forgot about TLO. You're right and I take back what I said, there are some very good NA players. I did misinterpret the whole intention of your posts. Just consider that it's pretty normal to have alot of one group of players high in a tournament format if ~90% of the tournament consists of that group. Considering, to have 5 non-NA players in the top 16 is a good feat.
Thanks, that's all I was trying to say. I agree there are very strong non-NA players. I think everyone admits that. I just felt like NA players are kind of like underdogs in many ways, especially the non-Idra ones. It's good to see some major upsets in some respects because it raises the profile of NA tournaments and participants. This is not just some "ezmode" for non-NA pros. This is top shape SC 2.
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On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP. Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused. Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well. Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle. exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?
How many units do you expect the terran to have? just reducing the sizes to what I expect of 1 base(since 2 base, 3 base, 4 base is just extension of one base with quicker reproduction), HTs and zlots work well vs all those units(actually I'd expect the terran to mix a few ghosts in, when the HTs are out).
The terran doesn't have endless gas, on 4 base, he can produce around 1 thor/6banshees(per 60s), 2 thors/4banshee, 3thors/2banshees, 4 thors, 8 banshees. The toss can produce 5-6 HTs(per 60s).
Edit: I don't really understand all this "and not let thors soak up storms". You will be aiming at storming behind the thors, where the mm is hiding. I'm not saying thor&banshees are weak, god no, but they are rather decently counterable, even if storm doesn't make the terran want to commit suicide quite as badly as when he's playing MMM.
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Ret gets good real fast does he?
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On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP. Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused. Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well. Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle. exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?
Why do you keep going on about Thors "soaking up the damage"? It's a nonsense statement. Do you actually think Thors somehow prevent other units from taking damage from storm because they are hit as well? I can only assume you do, from that comment, coupled with the "and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all" statement.
That's not how it works. If you storm 15 marines and a thor, it's better than if you just stormed the 15 marines. Very very marginally better, but still better. The thor doesn't soak up the damage.
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Eh, so many 30-60 minute games. Koreans usually win by then.
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I hope to join these fine NA Gentlemen and be called a "Pro" one day. ^^ RAWR HERE I COMESSSSSS
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On November 07 2010 11:45 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:42 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:38 Kultur wrote:
If anybody checked out the Tekken stream its awesome. They have the crowd literally a few feet behind the players and teammates heckle the crap out of the players. Would be so awesome for sc2 lol Different kind of games. Wish it was possible for SC, but RTS = nono. I personally feel the crowd is to close to the players, wish they isolated the players more(i mean select wasn't even using headphones in games vs... idra?). Don't think it effected the games at all(this time), but we could see that TLO did hear the commentators and understood them(which was hilarious but yer ), which makes it a bit dubious. This. I cant believe noone is makin a big deal about this.
He was wearing earbuds.
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On November 07 2010 11:45 Firereaver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:42 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:38 Kultur wrote:
If anybody checked out the Tekken stream its awesome. They have the crowd literally a few feet behind the players and teammates heckle the crap out of the players. Would be so awesome for sc2 lol Different kind of games. Wish it was possible for SC, but RTS = nono. I personally feel the crowd is to close to the players, wish they isolated the players more(i mean select wasn't even using headphones in games vs... idra?). Don't think it effected the games at all(this time), but we could see that TLO did hear the commentators and understood them(which was hilarious but yer ), which makes it a bit dubious. This. I cant believe noone is makin a big deal about this.
I think it's outrageous that they don't have sound proof headphones for the featured matches which are commentated and on screen. It's very weak by MLG and they got alot of criticism for it in DC and still hasn't done anything about it.
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On November 07 2010 11:34 Primadog wrote:MLG Dallas: Team results Saturday 11/07+ Show Spoiler +TeamLiquidWinner's Bracket:Jinro Loser's Bracket:TLO (lost to fnatics.TT1 (0-2) - WB R5) Huk (lost to Liquid'Ret (0-2) - WB R4) Tyler (lost to Pain.User (0-2) - WB R5) Ret (lost to Liquid'Jinro (0-2) - WB R5) Out of Tournament:Nazgul (lost to Pain.User (1-2) - WB R4; lost to eG.INcontroL (1-2) - LB R8) HayprO (lost to Root.drewbie (0-2) - WB R1; lost to Agh.Antec (0-2) - LB R7) EvilGeniuses:Winner's Bracket:Machine Loser's Bracket:Out of Tournament:iNkA (lost to fnaticsMSI.Fenix (0-2) - WB R2; lost to Dignitas.SeleCT (?-?) LB R8) LzGamer (lost to Liquid'Ret (0-2) WB R3; lost to root.KiWiKaKi (0-2) LB R7) Axslav ( lost to Liquid'Tyler (1-2) WB R3; lost to eG.iNkA (0-2) LB R5) iNcontroL (lost to eG.Machine (0-2) WB R3; lost to Liquid'Nazgul (1-2) LB R7) Gracken (lost to Liquid'Nazgul (1-2) WB R4; lost to Dignitas.SeleCT (1-2) LB R7) StrifeCro (lost to fnaticsMSI.Sen (0-2) - WB R2; lost to Socke (0-2) LB R6) Nyoken (lost to Liquid'Jinro (0-2) - WB R2; lost to root.qxc (0-2) LB R5) Colbi (lost to Root.qxc (0-2) - WB R1; lost to Jaeger (0-2) LB R4) FnaticsWinner's Bracket:TT1 Loser's Bracket:Out of Tournament:Sen (lost to fnatics.TT1 (1-2) - WB R4; lost to Socke (1-2) LB R8) Fenix (lost to root.Slush (1-2) - WB R4; lost to eG.iNkA (3-4) LB R8) Gretorp (lost to Whiplash.VT (1-2) - WB R1; lost to Liquid'Huk (0-2) LB R8) Root GamingWinner's Bracket:Loser's Bracket:Slush (lost to eG.Machine (0-2) - WB R5) Drewbie (lost to Liquid'Tyler (1-2) - WB R4) KiWiKaKi (lost to Liquid'TLO (1-2) - WB R4) Out of Tournament:Qxc (lost to fnatics.Sen (1-2) - WB R3; lost to Liquid'Huk (1-2) LB R8) CatZ (lost to Machine (0-2) - WB R2; lost to eG.Gracken (0-2) LB R7) Bubba (lost to Newsh (1-2) - WB R1; lost to nRG.ViBE (1-2) LB R5) Others in Winners Bracket:Pain.User references: + Show Spoiler +
You have InControl and Nazgul losing to each other...
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Hmmm TLO vs. Huk. This should be very interesting. . .
P.S. it had better be a live stream game or I'll pull my hair out
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On November 07 2010 11:52 BlueChipKiwi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:34 Primadog wrote:MLG Dallas: Team results Saturday 11/07+ Show Spoiler +TeamLiquidWinner's Bracket:Jinro Loser's Bracket:TLO (lost to fnatics.TT1 (0-2) - WB R5) Huk (lost to Liquid'Ret (0-2) - WB R4) Tyler (lost to Pain.User (0-2) - WB R5) Ret (lost to Liquid'Jinro (0-2) - WB R5) Out of Tournament:Nazgul (lost to Pain.User (1-2) - WB R4; lost to eG.INcontroL (1-2) - LB R8) HayprO (lost to Root.drewbie (0-2) - WB R1; lost to Agh.Antec (0-2) - LB R7) EvilGeniuses:Winner's Bracket:Machine Loser's Bracket:Out of Tournament:iNkA (lost to fnaticsMSI.Fenix (0-2) - WB R2; lost to Dignitas.SeleCT (?-?) LB R8) LzGamer (lost to Liquid'Ret (0-2) WB R3; lost to root.KiWiKaKi (0-2) LB R7) Axslav ( lost to Liquid'Tyler (1-2) WB R3; lost to eG.iNkA (0-2) LB R5) iNcontroL (lost to eG.Machine (0-2) WB R3; lost to Liquid'Nazgul (1-2) LB R7) Gracken (lost to Liquid'Nazgul (1-2) WB R4; lost to Dignitas.SeleCT (1-2) LB R7) StrifeCro (lost to fnaticsMSI.Sen (0-2) - WB R2; lost to Socke (0-2) LB R6) Nyoken (lost to Liquid'Jinro (0-2) - WB R2; lost to root.qxc (0-2) LB R5) Colbi (lost to Root.qxc (0-2) - WB R1; lost to Jaeger (0-2) LB R4) FnaticsWinner's Bracket:TT1 Loser's Bracket:Out of Tournament:Sen (lost to fnatics.TT1 (1-2) - WB R4; lost to Socke (1-2) LB R8) Fenix (lost to root.Slush (1-2) - WB R4; lost to eG.iNkA (3-4) LB R8) Gretorp (lost to Whiplash.VT (1-2) - WB R1; lost to Liquid'Huk (0-2) LB R8) Root GamingWinner's Bracket:Loser's Bracket:Slush (lost to eG.Machine (0-2) - WB R5) Drewbie (lost to Liquid'Tyler (1-2) - WB R4) KiWiKaKi (lost to Liquid'TLO (1-2) - WB R4) Out of Tournament:Qxc (lost to fnatics.Sen (1-2) - WB R3; lost to Liquid'Huk (1-2) LB R8) CatZ (lost to Machine (0-2) - WB R2; lost to eG.Gracken (0-2) LB R7) Bubba (lost to Newsh (1-2) - WB R1; lost to nRG.ViBE (1-2) LB R5) Others in Winners Bracket:Pain.User references: + Show Spoiler + You have InControl and Nazgul losing to each other...
Incontrol 2:1 Nazgul
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On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?
What difference does it make if the thor gets hit by the storm as well? They don't "soak" damage away from other things. If a thor, 2 banshees, and 8 marines get hit by a storm then the marines and banshees still take just as much damage, the thor's presence doesn't somehow reduce the damage of the storm.
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i somehow have a feeling that many players can hear what the casters said and use it for their advantage lol. seriously tho, if i were there i will just turn off my headset(best if there is a button) sneakily during the game.
so many upset 
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On November 07 2010 11:52 Shika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:45 Firereaver wrote:On November 07 2010 11:42 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:38 Kultur wrote:
If anybody checked out the Tekken stream its awesome. They have the crowd literally a few feet behind the players and teammates heckle the crap out of the players. Would be so awesome for sc2 lol Different kind of games. Wish it was possible for SC, but RTS = nono. I personally feel the crowd is to close to the players, wish they isolated the players more(i mean select wasn't even using headphones in games vs... idra?). Don't think it effected the games at all(this time), but we could see that TLO did hear the commentators and understood them(which was hilarious but yer ), which makes it a bit dubious. This. I cant believe noone is makin a big deal about this. I think it's outrageous that they don't have sound proof headphones for the featured matches which are commentated and on screen. It's very weak by MLG and they got alot of criticism for it in DC and still hasn't done anything about it.
It's pretty unprofessional. Unless you can guarantee you have soundproof earbuds then it affects the integrity of the match.
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On November 07 2010 11:52 Shika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:45 Firereaver wrote:On November 07 2010 11:42 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:38 Kultur wrote:
If anybody checked out the Tekken stream its awesome. They have the crowd literally a few feet behind the players and teammates heckle the crap out of the players. Would be so awesome for sc2 lol Different kind of games. Wish it was possible for SC, but RTS = nono. I personally feel the crowd is to close to the players, wish they isolated the players more(i mean select wasn't even using headphones in games vs... idra?). Don't think it effected the games at all(this time), but we could see that TLO did hear the commentators and understood them(which was hilarious but yer ), which makes it a bit dubious. This. I cant believe noone is makin a big deal about this. I think it's outrageous that they don't have sound proof headphones for the featured matches which are commentated and on screen. It's very weak by MLG and they got alot of criticism for it in DC and still hasn't done anything about it.
They couldn't hear any words in DC. That's a myth.
They could hear that the crowd was chanting something (it was "SHOW THE GAME"), and HuK either thought they were yelling "MOTHERSHIP" or was joking that they were yelling that. The decision to actually mothership rush was entirely his, and the crowd gave it away when it finished because HuK was bantering with the audience via in-game chat and goading them to cheer for his Mothership blaze of glory play.
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When do the vods from MLG tend to be released?
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On November 07 2010 11:41 Lunchtime wrote:
How did Kiwikaki beat Socke so fast? I guess they kept playing after the stream ended. I wanna see those replays too.
you mean cheesikaki?
no seriously pvp is sockes worst matchup. so yeah thats it
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On November 07 2010 11:55 rastaban wrote:
When do the vods from MLG tend to be released?
that takes ages last time vods released 2 days after the event i think.
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Germany442 Posts
But at least:
" Replays from today's matches will be posted to the bracket within the next few hours. "
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On November 07 2010 11:50 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP. Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused. Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well. Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle. exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings? How many units do you expect the terran to have? just reducing the sizes to what I expect of 1 base(since 2 base, 3 base, 4 base is just extension of one base with quicker reproduction), HTs and zlots work well vs all those units(actually I'd expect the terran to mix a few ghosts in, when the HTs are out). The terran doesn't have endless gas, on 4 base, he can produce around 1 thor/6banshees(per 60s), 2 thors/4banshee, 3thors/2banshees, 4 thors, 8 banshees. The toss can produce 5-6 HTs(per 60s).
i dont understand what your point is. is this a ht vs thors/banshees battle without zeal/marine numbers?
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