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fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
November 07 2010 02:57 GMT
#8541
On November 07 2010 11:51 Strivers wrote:
Eh, so many 30-60 minute games. Koreans usually win by then.


best comment yet.. LOL
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:07:36
November 07 2010 02:57 GMT
#8542
On November 07 2010 11:52 BlueChipKiwi wrote:

You have InControl and Nazgul losing to each other...


Well, that's embarrassing... Fixed, anyone know the score between Select and inka?

On November 07 2010 11:34 Primadog wrote:
MLG Dallas: Team results Saturday 11/06

TeamLiquid
Winner's Bracket:
Jinro

Loser's Bracket:
TLO (lost to fnatics.TT1 (0-2) - WB R5)
Tyler (lost to Pain.User (0-2) - WB R5)
Ret (lost to Liquid'Jinro (0-2) - WB R5)
Huk (lost to Liquid'Ret (0-2) - WB R4)

Out of Tournament:
Nazgul (lost to Pain.User (1-2) - WB R4; lost to eG.INcontroL (1-2) - LB R7)
HayprO (lost to Root.drewbie (0-2) - WB R1; lost to Agh.Antec (0-2) - LB R6)



EvilGeniuses:
Winner's Bracket:
Machine

Loser's Bracket:

Out of Tournament:
iNkA (lost to fnaticsMSI.Fenix (0-2) - WB R2; lost to Dignitas.SeleCT (?-?) LB R8)
iNcontroL (lost to eG.Machine (0-2) WB R3; lost to root.drewbie (1-2) LB R8)
LzGamer (lost to Liquid'Ret (0-2) WB R3; lost to root.KiWiKaKi (0-2) LB R7)
Gracken (lost to Liquid'Nazgul (1-2) WB R4; lost to Dignitas.SeleCT (1-2) LB R7)
StrifeCro (lost to fnaticsMSI.Sen (0-2) - WB R2; lost to Socke (0-2) LB R5)
Axslav ( lost to Liquid'Tyler (1-2) WB R3; lost to eG.iNkA (0-2) LB R5)
Nyoken (lost to Liquid'Jinro (0-2) - WB R2; lost to root.qxc (0-2) LB R5)
Colbi (lost to Root.qxc (0-2) - WB R1; lost to Jaeger (0-2) LB R3)


Fnatics
Winner's Bracket:
TT1

Loser's Bracket:

Out of Tournament:
Sen (lost to fnatics.TT1 (1-2) - WB R4; lost to Socke (1-2) LB R7)
Fenix (lost to root.Slush (1-2) - WB R4; lost to eG.iNkA (3-4) LB R7)
Gretorp (lost to Whiplash.VT (1-2) - WB R1; lost to Liquid'Huk (0-2) LB R7)

Root Gaming
Winner's Bracket:


Loser's Bracket:
Slush (lost to eG.Machine (0-2) - WB R5)
Drewbie (lost to Liquid'Tyler (1-2) - WB R4)
KiWiKaKi (lost to Liquid'TLO (1-2) - WB R4)

Out of Tournament:
Qxc (lost to fnatics.Sen (1-2) - WB R3; lost to Liquid'Huk (1-2) LB R8)
CatZ (lost to Machine (0-2) - WB R2; lost to eG.Gracken (0-2) LB R6)
Bubba (lost to Newsh (1-2) - WB R1; lost to nRG.ViBE (1-2) LB R4)


Others in Winners Bracket:
Pain.User



references:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.mlgpro.com/ci/brackets/procircuit/10/dallas/sc2/open/
http://www.myeg.net/article/article_detail.php?article_id=941
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165577
http://www.fnatic.com/news/8224/FnaticMSI-SC-Heads-to-Dallas.html
http://www.root-gaming.com/news/roots-mlg-dallas-preview


Thank God and gunrun.
ChThoniC
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States536 Posts
November 07 2010 02:58 GMT
#8543
On November 07 2010 11:56 PhiLtheFisH wrote:
But at least:

" Replays from today's matches will be posted to the bracket within the next few hours. "


When has that ever happened before?
i c u
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
November 07 2010 02:59 GMT
#8544
On November 07 2010 11:56 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:55 rastaban wrote:
When do the vods from MLG tend to be released?


that takes ages last time vods released 2 days after the event i think.




Thanks,I only caught the tail end today. I guess now I have something to tide me over next week while waiting on GSL
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
November 07 2010 02:59 GMT
#8545
On November 07 2010 11:58 ChThoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:56 PhiLtheFisH wrote:
But at least:

" Replays from today's matches will be posted to the bracket within the next few hours. "


When has that ever happened before?


Every MLG?

That's replays not vod's, they've been really quick about getting them uploaded.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
November 07 2010 03:00 GMT
#8546
On November 07 2010 11:51 Nimic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp

Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well.

Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle.


exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?


Why do you keep going on about Thors "soaking up the damage"? It's a nonsense statement. Do you actually think Thors somehow prevent other units from taking damage from storm because they are hit as well? I can only assume you do, from that comment, coupled with the "and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all" statement.

That's not how it works. If you storm 15 marines and a thor, it's better than if you just stormed the 15 marines. Very very marginally better, but still better. The thor doesn't soak up the damage.


lol. of course Thors prevent other units from taking damage. thors occupy storm space. do you seriously expect to storm the same number of marines with thors compared to storming pure marines? hell no. storm has an aoe limit, it doesnt magically cover the entire battlefield

if you storm 15 marines and a thor(no idea how you get that number), there would obviously be even more marines stormed if the thor wasnt there
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
November 07 2010 03:01 GMT
#8547
On November 07 2010 11:54 JiggilyManNoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?


What difference does it make if the thor gets hit by the storm as well? They don't "soak" damage away from other things. If a thor, 2 banshees, and 8 marines get hit by a storm then the marines and banshees still take just as much damage, the thor's presence doesn't somehow reduce the damage of the storm.


it doesn't reduce the damage of the storm, but it reduces the number of troops being stormed. how is this such a hard concept to understand?
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
November 07 2010 03:02 GMT
#8548
On November 07 2010 12:00 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:51 Nimic wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp

Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well.

Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle.


exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?


Why do you keep going on about Thors "soaking up the damage"? It's a nonsense statement. Do you actually think Thors somehow prevent other units from taking damage from storm because they are hit as well? I can only assume you do, from that comment, coupled with the "and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all" statement.

That's not how it works. If you storm 15 marines and a thor, it's better than if you just stormed the 15 marines. Very very marginally better, but still better. The thor doesn't soak up the damage.


lol. of course Thors prevent other units from taking damage. thors occupy storm space. do you seriously expect to storm the same number of marines with thors compared to storming pure marines? hell no. storm has an aoe limit, it doesnt magically cover the entire battlefield

if you storm 15 marines and a thor(no idea how you get that number), there would obviously be even more marines stormed if the thor wasnt there


or the toss player could always, you know, not storm the thors and hit the marines instead
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
November 07 2010 03:02 GMT
#8549
On November 07 2010 11:39 Pudge_172 wrote:
This is all who is left

WB

Jinro VsPainuser
Machine Vs TT1


LB

Kiwikaki Vs Ret
Tyler Vs Select
Drewbie Vs Slush
Huk Vs TLO


The WB brackets are actually really surprising imo, especially Machine Vs TT1. But I'm glad Machine finally gets far in a tournament, must have been really depressing in the past MLG's for him. I hope he will get in the finals.
BlueChipKiwi
Profile Joined July 2010
United States46 Posts
November 07 2010 03:03 GMT
#8550
On November 07 2010 11:57 Primadog wrote:
Well, that's embarrassing... Fixed, anyone know the score between Select and inka?

Don't be embarrased... your brackets are an excellent addition to the thread! Thanks for pulling them together for all of us
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
November 07 2010 03:03 GMT
#8551
On November 07 2010 12:02 FrankWalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 12:00 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:51 Nimic wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp

Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well.

Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle.


exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?


Why do you keep going on about Thors "soaking up the damage"? It's a nonsense statement. Do you actually think Thors somehow prevent other units from taking damage from storm because they are hit as well? I can only assume you do, from that comment, coupled with the "and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all" statement.

That's not how it works. If you storm 15 marines and a thor, it's better than if you just stormed the 15 marines. Very very marginally better, but still better. The thor doesn't soak up the damage.


lol. of course Thors prevent other units from taking damage. thors occupy storm space. do you seriously expect to storm the same number of marines with thors compared to storming pure marines? hell no. storm has an aoe limit, it doesnt magically cover the entire battlefield

if you storm 15 marines and a thor(no idea how you get that number), there would obviously be even more marines stormed if the thor wasnt there


or the toss player could always, you know, not storm the thors and hit the marines instead


or you know, you can also choose to read the previous post instead where i talked about this
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:04:39
November 07 2010 03:04 GMT
#8552

On November 07 2010 11:39 Pudge_172 wrote:
This is all who is left

WB

Jinro VsPainuser
Machine Vs TT1


LB

Kiwikaki Vs Ret
Tyler Vs Select
Drewbie Vs Slush
Huk Vs TLO


Wow, that makes so much more sense than MLG's convoluted nightmare of a bracket page...

Oh, and the inKa-Select match was 0-2 for Select, for whoever was asking about that.
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
November 07 2010 03:04 GMT
#8553
TT1 impressed me well this MLG. Beat Sen and TLO -__-
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:07:14
November 07 2010 03:05 GMT
#8554
On November 07 2010 11:57 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:50 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:41 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:31 Zarahtra wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:25 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:18 kNyTTyM wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:17 b_unnies wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:15 kNyTTyM wrote:

On November 07 2010 11:12 b_unnies wrote:
how much can storms do against that composition? Thors tanks storms relatively well


Storm the vikings and bio. Vikings don't actually have much HP.
Teeler lost because he probably hasn't seen that composition before and was just a little confused.



Whole point of thors is that it counters storms so that P can't storm bio/vikings


explain. That statement doesn't make sense to me


thors soak up all the storm damage. kinda like the role ultras function in ultra/ling in sc1 zvp

Not really, since I hope no one is really trying to storm those thors the HTs kill banshees, marines, marauders and to lesser extend hellions. zlots kill thors well.

Being 4 gas geysers up is probably a lot bigger reason for how the game went, than we are taking into account, but I'd def say transitioning into VR was not smart after he lost his core colossi army(phoenix with colossi is decent since they waste the vikings time away from the colossi). In any case, if they were getting similar gas income, PU wouldn't really have threatening amount of banshees _and_ thors, a mix of both or all of either, which the toss has units that can handle.


exactly how much temps do you expect P to get in a battle each time? storming their entire marines/marauders and you expect none of those storms to hit any thors at all? and STILL have enough energy to feedback/storm all those banshees while again not having any storms being soaked by thors? while at the same time avoiding being obs sniped by a few vikings?

How many units do you expect the terran to have? just reducing the sizes to what I expect of 1 base(since 2 base, 3 base, 4 base is just extension of one base with quicker reproduction), HTs and zlots work well vs all those units(actually I'd expect the terran to mix a few ghosts in, when the HTs are out).

The terran doesn't have endless gas, on 4 base, he can produce around 1 thor/6banshees(per 60s), 2 thors/4banshee, 3thors/2banshees, 4 thors, 8 banshees. The toss can produce 5-6 HTs(per 60s).


i dont understand what your point is. is this a ht vs thors/banshees battle without zeal/marine numbers?

It pretty much is. rines and zlots are to some extend cannon fodder.If anything the zlots have a bit easier time fighting, since they just run straight into the thors, while the rines have to run away from the storms or die en mass. In any case, this is a stupid debate, but linkie is a bit interesting new thor playstyle, where people have been talking about these kind of builds and theri weaknesses)

Edit: Though reading your comments, I wish people were as good stormers as you, not being able to cast storms on the bio because they were somehow forced to storm the units that can survive it the best.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
November 07 2010 03:05 GMT
#8555
We are in for some good matches tomorrow.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:06:57
November 07 2010 03:05 GMT
#8556
Anyways, I was just thinking, and IdrA must be awfully disappointed to fly back from losing in the GSL only to get knocked out on Day 2 of MLG. He was really confident, too, telling Huk that "you must be mad at Zenio [for knocking me out of the GSL so I can come to MLG]."

But then again, he did make some money off of both tournaments, and of course the earlier DC that he won. So it's not like he's that bad off.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
November 07 2010 03:06 GMT
#8557
Jinro's is so gooooood. Can't wait to see him play some more =D
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:10:02
November 07 2010 03:09 GMT
#8558
Four of each race. I'm soso happy at just that statistic.

It really sucks that I'm cheering for 4 players (and that they're all playing eachother next), but gogo Painuser/HuK/TLO/Jinro!
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debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
November 07 2010 03:09 GMT
#8559
so sad that KiwiKaki is facing ret again. Now ret has the extended series advantage and will probably take it, if not i believe that kiwikaki could win against almost anyone else in the tournament.
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
November 07 2010 03:09 GMT
#8560
TT1 vs Jinro Finals imo
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