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On October 17 2010 08:53 Thurokiir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / the out come is drastically decided outside of the game beginning. Counter comps and gear are a massive factor that neither side can control when the game begins. Hence the game and experience is immediately cheapened due to this. I don't even bother watching WoW streams because 90% of the time the game is decided before the match has begun. I'd love to see the fans and the enjoyment people get from wow to shift over to sc2 just because of the immense enjoyment people get out of matches. Also watch a WoW tourny that shift is as boring as sin.
Then you have never watched top level play when buttonbashers started stomping all the comps made to counter rmp. Yes there are comps that are more powerful sometimes but if you followed it you would realize it is the same top players making finals appeareances and getting r1, much more stably then sc2 at this point where the favorite for one gsl cannot qualify the next one. It's not like sc2 is "much harder" almost all the people on aj that have at least one glad title also are in mid to high diamond if they play at all really.
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Does anyone know if there will be a re-stream of the semifinals/finals?
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On October 17 2010 08:56 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:55 EleanorRIgby wrote:
all the gear you need for top arena in a week including gems and all that shit
stop spewing bullshit
They don't play tournaments with their live characters...
Blizzard gives MLG their own realm, which only accounts mlg flags can get into, like the arena tournament, everyone gets the same options, it's like qing up for a ladder game in starcraft, you start off the same, but you choose what to do after that
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On October 17 2010 08:54 UnholyRai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds The patch addressed many of the issues Idra had, hence why he was happy with the patch. Please stop being so patronising. Onto brighter things: Select is a hero now. Huk had the best one liner I've ever seen in sc2. Idra is just a beast.
yep, the patch changed several things that IdrA was happy about. that doesn't change the fact that what he feels is the overall root of the problem, which he has expressed many times, has not been fixed. why are you even in this conversation? you're just picking little holes in my post, none of which prove to anyone that blizzard changed the game because of IdrA's incessant whining, which is what i was refuting in the first place.
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On October 17 2010 08:57 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:56 kojinshugi wrote:On October 17 2010 08:55 EleanorRIgby wrote:
all the gear you need for top arena in a week including gems and all that shit
stop spewing bullshit
They don't play tournaments with their live characters... how do they get good practice then?
eh when what ur saying gets massively proven wrong don't come back by saying something REALLY stupid
unless ur actually asking a serious question in which case i have to say "how do you think?"
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On October 17 2010 08:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:54 Logo2010 wrote:On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds And the patch removes cheesy fast all in. So your point is? I'm sure Idra is v happy with the latest patch. you think BBS or proxy reaper is what i'm talking about? it isn't. please read what i wrote
All I know is Idra was competitive before but now it's like the chains are unleashed.
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On October 17 2010 08:57 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:56 kojinshugi wrote:On October 17 2010 08:55 EleanorRIgby wrote:
all the gear you need for top arena in a week including gems and all that shit
stop spewing bullshit
They don't play tournaments with their live characters... how do they get good practice then?
The time spent to get to high diamond or on a pro team where you can actually get good practice in sc2 is easily comparable to the time it takes to gear up to practice top-level WoW arena.
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On October 17 2010 08:54 VikingKong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:52 MrCon wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / Anyway, wow can't be an esport just because it's the most boring thing to watch. I played wow a long time, PVE&PVP, at a fairly decent level, but watching WoW is like masochism. 30 minutes in the match none health has gone once under 75%, healer's mana still full, with no good obs system. No wonder WoW doesn't draw any viewers to MLG amirite...
Watching arena is a bit difficult because there is literally 10 times as much stuff for commentators to pay attention to.
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On October 17 2010 08:44 Cade)Flayer wrote:
You can see the weakness of this type of tourney compared to a Korean style tourney where SeleCT ends up having to play over 20 games in 1 day to win compared to being able to have a BO7 with fully rested players in GSL.
Was still fun though and that was a gluttony of SC2 but by the time it got the finals the hype was lacking.
In a korean style tourney, Select would not have made it to the finals, he would have been eliminated in the second round..
This tournament finds the best players in the tournament, if you don't want to play 1000 games then you have to stay in the winners bracket.
It's impossible to have a GSL style tournament, north america is too far spread out, we don't have Seoul Korea.. sure MLG can afford to set up a broadcasting studio.. but if they ran it like GSL players would need to travel across the country just for a match, then come back next week for a match.
It just makes sense to have these tournaments over a weekend(see: IEM, MLG), there is no real way to set up a long term tournament, especially monthly like GSL.
i can see them running an online tournament monthly, GSL set up, with every match cast, and have a bunch of matches every night... but it would be online.
Also I stand by my point that we won't be getting a GSL kind of tournament in the US or Europe because of these distances.. a main city for playing won't be established either(for example, MLG sets up shop in NY, so if you want to play in their version of GSL, you have to move to NY or fly their every other week... why not just go to Korea, some people will be near NY, but some won't.. and that is why it would be really hard to establish.. if your willing to pick up your life and move for SC go to Korea..), if you want to be that serious, you just travel to Korea(see Huk, Select, Idra, Ret, TLO Torch, Artosis and tasteless to some extent,etc)..
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what was huks famous oneliner? looks like i missed it 
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How soon will mlg post vods? I missed the whole tournament but judging by the forums it sounds like some epic games were played! Congrats to idra!
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On October 17 2010 08:40 floor exercise wrote:
Both MLGs I have sort of lost interest because of the double elim format, to me games just feel less important that way until the finals, which are usually ruined by one guy going in with a disadvantage. Why not use a system where you have a better chance of an epic final
Winners bracket finals is what single elimination format would have been like. I think IdrA vs HuK was even more one-sided.
In addition, double-elimination format increases the chances that strongest players are the final two remaining. There might be less tension or what have you in the finals, but it increases the chances of high-level play, which for me translates to "more epic finale".
In MLG you could argue that losers bracket player is probably exhausted and thus at a disadvantage, but that's a problem with the tournament, not tournament type. For instance, semi-finals and finals could be played on the next day.
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On October 17 2010 08:58 enTee wrote:what was huks famous oneliner? looks like i missed it
"Don't worry, it's Halo"
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On October 17 2010 08:58 enTee wrote:what was huks famous oneliner? looks like i missed it
The crowd was chanting for him to make a Mothership. And he did. Thus, the crowd went wild. So in the game chat he said "that's halo don't worry"
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On October 17 2010 08:54 VikingKong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:52 MrCon wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / Anyway, wow can't be an esport just because it's the most boring thing to watch. I played wow a long time, PVE&PVP, at a fairly decent level, but watching WoW is like masochism. 30 minutes in the match none health has gone once under 75%, healer's mana still full, with no good obs system. No wonder WoW doesn't draw any viewers to MLG amirite...
I don't know, do you ?
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Great tourney. VERY excited for HuK to get to Korea and get practice in with some REALLY good players. Also very excited for Tyler since his BW skill is slowing working it's way into his Sc2 knowledge.
Select surprised me but hopefully his run for GSL 3 works well for him.
And of course my favorite player won! Some great games, loved the gas steal to not lose to Thor drop again!
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On October 17 2010 09:00 Omer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:58 enTee wrote:what was huks famous oneliner? looks like i missed it "Don't worry, it's Halo"
Looks like sitiational homour..can any1 explain pls?
\\thanks
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Players could hear through their ear buds - he's trying to reassure SelecT that it wasn't related to their SC2 game.
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On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:
Anyway, wow can't be an esport just because it's the most boring thing to watch. I played wow a long time, PVE&PVP, at a fairly decent level, but watching WoW is like masochism.
30 minutes in the match none health has gone once under 75%, healer's mana still full, with no good obs system.
That's bs, i've played over 3000 matches of wow arena, at the 2.2k+ level, if your dumb enough to let a healer redrink up to 100% mana after 10+ minutes of constant pressure, you might aswell quit.
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On October 17 2010 09:00 enTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:00 Omer wrote:On October 17 2010 08:58 enTee wrote:what was huks famous oneliner? looks like i missed it "Don't worry, it's Halo" Looks like sitiational homour..can any1 explain pls?
The pic should help explain it better.
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