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On October 17 2010 08:50 Sad Hermit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / oh yeah, lets make the players play eachother. that'll make it competitive for sure. however being an rpg the more hours you put into the account the stronger you are LOL.. you can tell its broken just by reading it
Tournament games of WoW are played on special servers with pre-made characters that can select whatever they want from a list of gear.
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On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen
you know it's WoW arena, right? It takes just as much skill as any other competitive, team oriented game, but you're just trolling, right?
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On October 17 2010 08:52 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / Anyway, wow can't be an esport just because it's the most boring thing to watch. I played wow a long time, PVE&PVP, at a fairly decent level, but watching WoW is like masochism. 30 minutes in the match none health has gone once under 75%, healer's mana still full, with no good obs system.
No wonder WoW doesn't draw any viewers to MLG amirite...
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On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds
And the patch removes cheesy fast all in. So your point is?
I'm sure Idra is v happy with the latest patch.
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Congratz for Idra, well deserved! I really hoped that he will win it and he did. Finals kinda dissapointing, but I realise that Select was totally exausted (Although that I like watching tornaments, organizers should consider shortening it somehow, it was definetely too long, for watchers and players). Very good job at tourney organization and awesome commentating (Day9/JP/DJ).
Keep up the good work 
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On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds
he also complained about how hard it was for zerg to survive early game and not be put at a severe disadvantage going into the mid-late game. the patches have certainly affected that.
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On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds
The patch addressed many of the issues Idra had, hence why he was happy with the patch. Please stop being so patronising.
Onto brighter things:
Select is a hero now.
Huk had the best one liner I've ever seen in sc2.
Idra is just a beast.
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On October 17 2010 08:52 bigjenk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:50 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / oh yeah, lets make the players play eachother. that'll make it competitive for sure. however being an rpg the more hours you put into the account the stronger you are LOL.. you can tell its broken just by reading it ...really you can have all the gear you need in much less time a week than most top sc2 players spend. Shit i mean idra spends what 80 hours a week playing.
all the gear you need for top arena in a week including gems and all that shit
stop spewing bullshit
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On October 17 2010 08:50 Sad Hermit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:48 Ferrose wrote:On October 17 2010 08:48 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously That's what Halo fans say about all PC games. Really it's attitudes like yours that are holding e-sports back thats dumb, WoW is not and should not be regarded as an E-sport not until there's a real skill basis for a game like that but its an mmoRPG so thats not going to happen MLG and other leagues that have WoW as a league game are just trying to make money off a game thats extremely popular and thats not right. Go play PvP arena on WoW. : / oh yeah, lets make the players play eachother. that'll make it competitive for sure. however being an rpg the more hours you put into the account the stronger you are LOL.. you can tell its broken just by reading it
You don't know anything about WoW, in wow competitions players play on premade characters.
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On October 17 2010 08:49 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' The fact that it's practically impossible to scout a terran pre-overseer unless the T is playing bad/making mistakes/has everything at his ramp, that was his main concern I believe.
Now you don't need t oscout a T anymore, he just can do helions, and you can blind counter any T opening and still build a strong eco until seers when you can scout. That's the problem of all thoses nerfes. (well, I guess until someone find an anwer, but early game went from extremely hard to ezpz for zerg,...)
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I generally liked the tournament, but I'm not really a huge fan of the losers bracket format. A single elimination style bo3 or bo5 would be better imo.
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On October 17 2010 08:54 Logo2010 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds And the patch removes cheesy fast all in. So your point is? I'm sure Idra is v happy with the latest patch.
you think BBS or proxy reaper is what i'm talking about? it isn't. please read what i wrote
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On October 17 2010 08:46 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:41 Grettin wrote:On October 17 2010 08:39 Sad Hermit wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 hugman wrote:
Competitive WoW lol, such a joke
I get why e-sports isn't taken seriously i agree.. mlg having WoW and not CS or CSS Someone needs to get smacked. It would be retarded to take cs or css. If you want a pc fps, it should be Quake live/3. As a very long time CS player I don't think any other games even come close to the skill requirements of macro focused RTSes like BW and SC2. The skill and consistency ceiling is just sooo much higher.
QuakeLive skill ceiling is higher than CS and while the skill sets needed to succeed in FPS and RTS games are nearly completely different, I'd argue Quake's skill ceiling, relatively speaking, is just as high as BW and SC2.
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On October 17 2010 08:55 EleanorRIgby wrote:
all the gear you need for top arena in a week including gems and all that shit
stop spewing bullshit
They don't play tournaments with their live characters...
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On October 17 2010 08:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:54 Logo2010 wrote:On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds And the patch removes cheesy fast all in. So your point is? I'm sure Idra is v happy with the latest patch. you think BBS or proxy reaper is what i'm talking about? it isn't. please read what i wrote
lol idra and ret in interviews said that they think this patch might tilt the favour towards zerg, your knowledge is quite limited
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On October 17 2010 08:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:52 Logo2010 wrote:On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' I'm not sure he knows either. The factory requirement for nitro packs killed reapers. Depot b4 rax is incidental. No fast cheese anymore, but 5 rax reaper is gone for good. thx for posting baseless conjecture about what i do and do not know + Show Spoiler +^^^easily the most hypocritical thing posted ITT LOL
Point still stands. Ragging on someone doesn't make your point legitimate.
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On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds
Ya thats true but.. if people expect blizzard to patch this problem where zerg is "susceptible to strange all in builds" then Zerg will have no problem with the early game and just drone up making them ridiculously OP. Terran cannot macro against Zerg effectively. In other words, I feel that this problem should be their weakness and remain unaddressed.
Edit: I'm not saying Fakesteve is implying this, just a lot of people are.
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On October 17 2010 08:56 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:55 EleanorRIgby wrote:
all the gear you need for top arena in a week including gems and all that shit
stop spewing bullshit
They don't play tournaments with their live characters...
how do they get good practice then?
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excellent play from idra, hopefully this inspires ppl to play zerg so select doesn't have that excuse next time.
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On October 17 2010 08:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:54 Logo2010 wrote:On October 17 2010 08:51 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:47 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 17 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:40 happyness wrote:On October 17 2010 08:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:36 Xax wrote:On October 17 2010 08:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 17 2010 08:32 Xax wrote:
does anyone else feel that idra whined so much that blizzard overnerfed and TVZ now kinda sucks? what? idra doesn't whine, and the points he has a problem with in ZvT were not addressed by the patches whatsoever doublereaper-nerf? even depot before rax? now idra's macro style can unfold EVERY single time? how can you counter idra's muta ee han timing? i'll say it again because apparently you didnt read it the first time: the changes in 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 did not address IdrA's concerns in ZvT whatsoever. are you even aware what his issue is? it's sure as fuck not reapers. He seemed pretty happy with the 1.1.2 patch on SotG thanks for your completely irrelevant comment. round three: stating that blizzard changed the game because of how much idra whined is stupid because: what idra complains about is a completely separate issue not addressed by the patches whatsoeverjesus christ i cannot possibly be more clear than that FakeSteve, what is IdrA concerned about in ZvT? I guess I'm not exactly in the know how, I'm a Protoss player after all ^_^' idra is concerned about the ease with which terran can deny scouting and do many different 1base timing attacks that can require drastically different responses from zerg while roaches getting a range buff certainly allows zerg a little more leeway to do catch-all types of builds where they just defend with larger numbers, the problem still remains and is unaddressed. zerg is still highly susceptible to strange all-in builds And the patch removes cheesy fast all in. So your point is? I'm sure Idra is v happy with the latest patch. you think BBS or proxy reaper is what i'm talking about? it isn't. please read what i wrote
Wasn't IdrA saying that he was happy with the patch in that interview with JP?
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