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On February 10 2011 09:36 IPS.ZeRo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:25 Holgerius wrote:On February 10 2011 09:22 IPS.ZeRo wrote:
I only watched the end of the game and not the first one, but i think the decision was reasonable. It is clearly a small scale tournament that is meant to be played on one evening. They can't delay it forever and let gomas wait. Rescheduling with people from different timezones and tournaments going on every day is also very hard to do.
I can understand that you saw yourself as an advantage, but he had more resources which made it even. The admins have to do something, but at which point? What if the game goes on for another hour and it is still not clear who is winning? They will be well aware that their decision pisses people off, but not finishing the tournament is just as bad. How was having a regame, which was quite likely to take just as long given Avilo's playstyle, a good thing to do if they were running out of time? They said they wouldn't allow them to play terran. I know its silly and now after reading the suggestion to just give 20 minutes and see what happens (although i doubt much would happen) i would tend to try that first, but tournament admins just have the duty to keep the tournament running. What would you do if such a game of avilo happens in round 1? and round 2 ... and round 3...? He would still argue that nobody should be disqualified because people don't like his playstyle. However it would delay the tournament forever. The point they choose to end it might not have been ideal, but you have to admit that there has to be a point where admins have to act.
And that was not the point where they should act.
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i know avilo plays like that all the fucking time
its the most fucking annoying thing to play against, but its totally beatable.
his style is retardedly annoying, but you cant say he isnt allowed to do it..
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On February 10 2011 09:39 karnstan wrote:
As for Mr. Special Olympics Endrey I couldn't bear to listen to the guy after a while. I will happily overlook any speech impediment (i.e. German accent) but being as biased as he was during this game is just plain annoying. Big boooh for you.
Dude, don't post like that.
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beasty's crying is even worse
u play til one player concedes
if beasty was trying to prove a point, prove the point by winning
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On February 10 2011 09:35 Bobster wrote:On delaying the tournament: Show nested quote +Players who cause huge delays by going afk or having a lot of DCs may possibly be removed from a running tournament. The active admin can take this decision when a match delays the progress of the whole tournament. Hm.
Reread this. Your marked sentence referrs to the first. So this rule has nothing to do with the decision by the admins.Though there was/is no rule for DQing someone because his opponent is a dick or 1 plays an unattractive playstyle.
Craft Cup is dead for me. And I hope for a lot of other players too. We dont need Cups with biased and bad Organisation.
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On February 10 2011 09:43 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:35 Bobster wrote:On delaying the tournament: Players who cause huge delays by going afk or having a lot of DCs may possibly be removed from a running tournament. The active admin can take this decision when a match delays the progress of the whole tournament. Hm. Reread this. Your marked sentence referrs to the first. So this rule has nothing to do with the decision by the admins.Though there was/is no rule for DQing someone because his opponent is a dick or 1 plays an unattractive playstyle. Craft Cup is dead for me. And I hope for a lot of other players too. We dont need Cups with biased and bad Organisation.
hes not going afk or having a lot of dcs. hes playing the game.
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On February 10 2011 09:12 avilo wrote:
brotkohl: so the decision is that it will be a regame
and no1 is allowed to play t
This is a joke right ?
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SO - i will post my personal recap here ... and well all those people insulting me on this thread prolly only watched a couple of minutes on my stream and did not get the whole picture ... i will post a full statement and the replay of the game in the next 10-15 minutes in this thread
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On February 10 2011 09:43 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:43 Tppz! wrote:On February 10 2011 09:35 Bobster wrote:On delaying the tournament: Players who cause huge delays by going afk or having a lot of DCs may possibly be removed from a running tournament. The active admin can take this decision when a match delays the progress of the whole tournament. Hm. Reread this. Your marked sentence referrs to the first. So this rule has nothing to do with the decision by the admins.Though there was/is no rule for DQing someone because his opponent is a dick or 1 plays an unattractive playstyle. Craft Cup is dead for me. And I hope for a lot of other players too. We dont need Cups with biased and bad Organisation. hes not going afk or having a lot of dcs. hes playing the game.
Yea thats why i wrote that this rule didnt affect the game :>
@Endrey: You are totally biased. You even walk up Beastys a** after his DQ. You told the Admins you totally understand their decision and that it was the right one. After that you talk to Beasty and say you cant understand their decision. Sure, you are drunk but dude just become a bit professional. No need for blind fanboyism
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I really enjoyed how they disqualified Beasty for BM in the next game but it was totally OK that he BM ed Avilo during their game? Next to the time I worked in fast food I have never seen anything ran as poorly as that tourney.
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Ya don't watch that shit. Watching CraftCup is promoting killing babies.
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On February 10 2011 09:36 trashcan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:33 Puremiss wrote:
I don't think the admins deserve all this hate. They were trying to be considerate to the other finalist and simply the fact that they needed to go to bed and probably work the next day had to make a tough call.
Althought tbh I don't like the call and I agree that a regame would have not actually solved a thing. Instead playing it out and a reschedule of the finals to me would have been a better choice. Did you read the chatlog with the admin? You didn't come away thinking he was a retard not fit to run anything?
Wel the admin just didn't react to avilo demanding 2-0 and wanted to have avilo play the regame. They were both fixed on their decision and there was no possibility to discuss anything.
On February 10 2011 09:39 karnstan wrote:
That was outrageous. Being considerate towards a player who's waiting can't possibly be a reason for admins to call a draw in a game that's still going. I have never seen avilo play before, and to be quite frank I don't care if his strategy is considered lame and gay - if you have a strategy that is within the boundaries of the game then there's nothing to whine about. If the players don't agree that it's a stalemate, then it's not and the game should continue.
As for Mr. Special Olympics Endrey I couldn't bear to listen to the guy after a while. I will happily overlook any speech impediment (i.e. German accent) but being as biased as he was during this game is just plain annoying. Big boooh for you.
I don't watch many streams usually, so i don't know how he is when is not drunk, but he even said that people who don't want to hear him talking bad about avilos playstyle should just switch the stream. I agree that casters shouldn't be completely biased, but if it is not THE official stream but somebody just streaming a little bit after getting drunk while watching football you should just switch to another stream.
And @pokebunny no need to flood the discussion with a million rage posts.
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On February 10 2011 09:44 Maista wrote:
In CraftCup LITE#39 semifinals avilo vs beastyqt Game 2 a situation came up that two out of two referees in charge, rated as a draw. We are not discussing if that is correct or not. All we say is that it was our perception. But well, that's what everyone here is interested in discussing. Whether the decision to call this ongoing game a draw was correct and sensible or not.
That you DQd avilo for refusing to regame, and DQd beasty for BM afterwards were correct decisions following the internal logic of your proceedings, most aren't even denying that. It's that initial draw decision that's the crux here.
edit: ignoring the hilarious fact that you had an even number of referees for this. What if you disagree on something? >_>
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On February 10 2011 09:50 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:44 Maista wrote:
In CraftCup LITE#39 semifinals avilo vs beastyqt Game 2 a situation came up that two out of two referees in charge, rated as a draw. We are not discussing if that is correct or not. All we say is that it was our perception. But well, that's what everyone here is interested in discussing. Whether the decision to call this ongoing game a draw was correct and sensible or not. That you DQd avilo for refusing to regame, and DQd beasty for BM afterwards were correct decisions following the internal logic of your proceedings, most aren't even denying that. It's that initial draw decision that's the crux here.
In the end we are just humans. Imho a great feeling that i do not have to be perfect. Not saying that i don't try
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On February 10 2011 09:52 Maista wrote:
In the end we are just humans. Imho a great feeling that i do not have to be perfect. Not saying that i don't try
If you would even try becoming perfect, why do you make such a silly decision? No one wouldnt have done that decision.
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On February 10 2011 09:54 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:52 Maista wrote:
In the end we are just humans. Imho a great feeling that i do not have to be perfect. Not saying that i don't try If you would even try becoming perfect, why do you make such a silly decision? Every Bronzeplayer wouldnt have done that one you did.
Like i stated i am not discussing opinions. if that was your interpretation of the scene thats okay. And i am also okay with others disagreeing. We take 500 correct decisions a week ;-)
Pretty good quota, even if you are right with your opinion.
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Maista you and the other referee were pressured into the decision by Beastyqt. Yes, you're not perfect, you're extremely unprofessional. You called the draw at a time when Avilo was actively pushing into Beastys base, Avilo even said in the transcript to the admin that he was about to finish the game up.
Your decision was wrong, way wrong, and you need to accept it. Just saying it's not up for discussion isn't really acceptable, considering the sheer amount of people who are in disbelief at your decision.
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On February 10 2011 09:52 Maista wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2011 09:50 Bobster wrote:On February 10 2011 09:44 Maista wrote:
In CraftCup LITE#39 semifinals avilo vs beastyqt Game 2 a situation came up that two out of two referees in charge, rated as a draw. We are not discussing if that is correct or not. All we say is that it was our perception. But well, that's what everyone here is interested in discussing. Whether the decision to call this ongoing game a draw was correct and sensible or not. That you DQd avilo for refusing to regame, and DQd beasty for BM afterwards were correct decisions following the internal logic of your proceedings, most aren't even denying that. It's that initial draw decision that's the crux here. In the end we are just humans. Imho a great feeling that i do not have to be perfect. Not saying that i don't try Fair enough.
Would be a good idea to maybe add something to that effect in the rules, so you can fall back on hard writing in the future.
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