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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 08 2010 11:04 GMT
#901
On September 08 2010 20:02 Vokasak wrote:
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On September 08 2010 20:00 JamesKEenan wrote:
On September 08 2010 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It seems like none of you have a clue about good play and bad play and thus have to refer to imbalance after every result. Polt outplayed MinChul simple as that.


I don't know... Reasonably speaking, we can acknowledge that the game was created by *humans*. There are going to be balance imperfections. Some bigger than others.

And these guys are playing for a LOT of money. And this is supposed to be a contest of skill. Which is pride and talent demonstration.

Balance IS and *should* be a concern for these guys. I'm not saying balance is an issue *here*, but no one should ever belittle balance discussion. Balance should always be discussed.


Not in LR threads, it shouldn't.


Did you learn that in the last thread?
andrinho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States90 Posts
September 08 2010 11:04 GMT
#902
At this point I cheer for the zerg every time for the solely purpose of listening to less whining
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
September 08 2010 11:04 GMT
#903
On September 08 2010 20:03 Dionyseus wrote:
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On September 08 2010 19:58 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On September 08 2010 19:52 Dionyseus wrote:
Oh man Jangminchul got raped...
But on game 2 I don't understand why he just didn't put a probe near his natural, he knew polt had marauders close-by. Also after he got his nexus sniped, why didn't he invest in some cannons?

450-600 on cannons and the nexus wouldve still died. He had no intention of having the marauders live in the first place.


4 Marauders does not kill 3 cannons that easily.


The -8- Marauders that killed the main Nexus would not have died to cannons before killing the Nexus. He's not suggesting you should attack the cannons, instead just ignore them.
zemiron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States481 Posts
September 08 2010 11:05 GMT
#904
Go not Terran!
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 08 2010 11:05 GMT
#905
On September 08 2010 20:04 demonik187 wrote:
So kulas is good for terran to abuse against zerg, but what could a toss player do?


Blink stalkers can still abuse and any map w/ a back entrance makes 4gate and any early aggression extremely strong. The natural is too wide open that it's ridiculously difficult to defend again, well, anything.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
September 08 2010 11:05 GMT
#906
polt played awesome but i expected nothing less <3
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NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
September 08 2010 11:05 GMT
#907
On September 08 2010 20:04 demonik187 wrote:
So kulas is good for terran to abuse against zerg, but what could a toss player do?


Hmmm... I would think they would have to give their VETO's at the start of the tournament and could only choose once, no? Would be weird if they could choose every game for every opponent...
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Panoptic
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom515 Posts
September 08 2010 11:05 GMT
#908
On September 08 2010 19:55 se7en247 wrote:
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On September 08 2010 19:54 Panoptic wrote:
To the people just saying marauders are OP, how the hell did Iron get 2000 points on ladder?! maybe he just didn't play any terrans on the way?


Maybe he was just really nervous playing a televised match??


What I mean is: surely he's beaten thousands of terrans before playing Polt without a problem, were all those other Terrans he's beaten OP? but he just so happened to consistently beat them? I doubt it. He just got played by polt.
"Crom laughs at your four winds!"
myIRE
Profile Joined November 2008
Belgium229 Posts
September 08 2010 11:06 GMT
#909
so much whine, c'mon. Toss had late expo, less units, no canons to snipe incomming dropships, he lost the nexus twice to the same sneak-in marauder group. How can you even say that marauders won him the game, for gods sake toss didnt even try to warp in units at his main to save his nexus.

It's always the same thing, if your race wins = "amazing play", if your race loses = "its clearly balance issues". It's reapers, its marauders, its tanks, lol c'mon, every unit?
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SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 11:07:18
September 08 2010 11:06 GMT
#910
On September 08 2010 19:58 Dionyseus wrote:
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On September 08 2010 19:54 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
Poltprime is going to go far. Both builds of his show lots of preparation. What a lot of people don't notice is how quickly and efficiently he got his expo up while maintaining great unit production in that 2nd game.


Yea I didn't understand that, I thought that if you expo so early you would automatically lose to a rush? Did Jangminchul tech too much?

By expoing quickly, it forces the protoss to make a quick decision about whether they will choose to put on early pressure or expand and keep up economically. Thanks to far spawning distances, Poltprime's build probably could have held even the later. It really was some ingenious play.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 08 2010 11:06 GMT
#911
On September 08 2010 20:04 demonik187 wrote:
So kulas is good for terran to abuse against zerg, but what could a toss player do?


Blink stalkers to the cliffs and stop your opponent from mining the natural.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50470 Posts
September 08 2010 11:06 GMT
#912
some of them were really bad.
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unindel
Profile Joined April 2010
United States206 Posts
September 08 2010 11:07 GMT
#913
whoah nice 3rd expo for zerg
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
September 08 2010 11:07 GMT
#914
Man that was 100 minerals lost with that Nexus cancel, and now Zerg has secured a third base.
Vokasak
Profile Joined July 2010
United States388 Posts
September 08 2010 11:07 GMT
#915
On September 08 2010 20:04 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 20:02 Vokasak wrote:
On September 08 2010 20:00 JamesKEenan wrote:
On September 08 2010 19:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It seems like none of you have a clue about good play and bad play and thus have to refer to imbalance after every result. Polt outplayed MinChul simple as that.


I don't know... Reasonably speaking, we can acknowledge that the game was created by *humans*. There are going to be balance imperfections. Some bigger than others.

And these guys are playing for a LOT of money. And this is supposed to be a contest of skill. Which is pride and talent demonstration.

Balance IS and *should* be a concern for these guys. I'm not saying balance is an issue *here*, but no one should ever belittle balance discussion. Balance should always be discussed.


Not in LR threads, it shouldn't.


Did you learn that in the last thread?


Me? I never bring up balance BS, in LR threads or in any threads. I'm a big fan of actually trying to figure the game out, as opposed to crying until my patch demands are met.
Practical wisdom is the combination of moral will and moral skill
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
September 08 2010 11:07 GMT
#916
Chipmunk sends 12 or so lings to cancel zandarke's nexus. They are cleaned up, nexus restarted. Lots of sentries from toss.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
demonik187
Profile Joined August 2010
United States575 Posts
September 08 2010 11:08 GMT
#917
On September 08 2010 20:05 NeoLearner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 20:04 demonik187 wrote:
So kulas is good for terran to abuse against zerg, but what could a toss player do?


Hmmm... I would think they would have to give their VETO's at the start of the tournament and could only choose once, no? Would be weird if they could choose every game for every opponent...



Who said anything about that?
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
September 08 2010 11:08 GMT
#918
On September 08 2010 20:04 diehilde wrote:
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On September 08 2010 19:59 Carnac wrote:
Stop talking balance in live report threads

so we cant voice our honest opinion about the games we see? whats the point of a LR thread then? If I see 2 players and think one is much better than the other but the winner abuses a totally imbalanced strat or map I cant comment on the game at all? Its like keeping map balance out of a LR thread back when they played DMZ 2on2 in PL. Some situations just force certain topics upon the discussion

There's a difference between commenting reasonably about a game and just whining about (im)balance.
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ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
September 08 2010 11:08 GMT
#919
3rd is up at the 3 o clock nat for Chipmunk. Lair tech and roach warren up.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Vokasak
Profile Joined July 2010
United States388 Posts
September 08 2010 11:09 GMT
#920
Pheonix play! I love it. Easily my favorite Protoss unit.
Practical wisdom is the combination of moral will and moral skill
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