EPT[GSL] About GSL Streams and VODs - Page 33
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
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Littlebootz
United States108 Posts
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HenL
Norway111 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:24 JWD wrote: I doubt it...do OSL and MSL offer a service so that people outside Korea can pay to watch their networks? OSL has a free stream, MSL has a paid stream. | ||
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underverse
4 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. The issue isn't that they are charging. I gladly paid for the MLG stream in order to support them and to give myself a higher quality viewing experience. The issue is that they are asking me to pay $50 for a limited time, low quality product. That's nearly the cost of the game itself, and it's only a 500K stream? That's simply absurd. If they were giving me premium, HD content this might be defensible, but as it stands there's no way I'm even remotely considering paying for this. I'll just grab one of the eleventy-thousand pirated streams that are certain to pop up. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:20 LaLuSh wrote: Internet connection: 100mbit down/100mbit up GOMTV bandwidth check: 266kbps. No thanks. Problem's on your end. Same internet, I got 216 kbps. I'll pass on this one. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:23 HeIios wrote: It's the english commentary stream we're talking about here. I wasn't asking about the language, just in general. On September 02 2010 02:24 Roffles wrote: Gonna restream every game off OGN. Don't need overpriced GOM streams at 300/500 kbps when I can get OGN at 1500 for free. Don't get me wrong, I love English commentary, but in this case forking out money separately for livestreams and VODs is ridiculous. Yeah. Thats more what I meant. I'd rather watch the games and hear korean, MAYBE EVEN have a kind team liquidian who is willing to translate into livestream chat. On September 02 2010 02:24 JWD wrote: I doubt it...do OSL and MSL offer a service so that people outside Korea can pay to watch their networks? No but in this situation, if it is being broadcasted on OGN there should be no issues. If there is then I'm sorry but I'm going to support roffles in streaming the korean commentary. On September 02 2010 02:26 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yes, we're complaining solely about the fact that it's not free. Not about the fact that it's extremely overpriced, is almost guaranteed to be a shitty stream that's not truly HQ, and that despite the fact that Gretech has promoted the idea of getting foreigners into the scene, they're just fucking with them. It's solely about the fact that it's not free. Don't speak for all of team liquid, because I can guarantee people don't agree with you. | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
Everyone keeps talking about how the sponsors should be footing the bill. ... Did you see how much they are offering for prize money? I guarantee you that most (if not all) of that sponsor money went into that pool. Additionally, it's going to be ALOT harder for GOMtv to sell adverts on something like this because it's going out to a global audience. In case people didn't know, selling adverts on a stream is alot harder than many probably believe. With a global audience, it's very difficult to even justify selling ads when you have an audience around the world. It's ineffective advertising for companies, thus making it very difficult to sell. I can understand people just not being able to afford it, but I don't believe that should automatically make it "BAD". I can't afford a 3DTV yet but that doesn't mean they suck. EDIT: I see people's concern about the quality of the service... and the fact that point makes up alot of the issues people have. For that I can totally understand. I think my initial post was from reading the first few pages which mostly focused on the pricing alone. I absolutely agree that you should get what you pay for, and if the quality of the service itself is not worth that money, then I absolutely understand. My initial comments were more geared towards the pricing itself, but after reading nearly every page now - I cannot argue with those who say they they just don't feel like the quality is worth the money. I also hope that people will understand I'm not just trying to ruffle feathers... but I'm very adamant about the success of Pro-Gaming globally, and we as spectators and fans have just as much of a role to play as the players, the organizers, etc. EDIT2: Also I do think they need a STREAM+VOD package that would make more sense. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:30 djWHEAT wrote: I'll tell you why I think it's reasonable. Because I stream major events around the world... I know the time, the money, the production, everything that goes into doing something like this. So I can appreciate the fact that they have to recoup costs in order to continue to offer it to the fans. Everyone keeps talking about how the sponsors should be footing the bill. ... Did you see how much they are offering for prize money? I guarantee you that most (if not all) of that sponsor money went into that pool. Additionally, it's going to be ALOT harder for GOMtv to sell adverts on something like this because it's going out to a global audience. In case people didn't know, selling adverts on a stream is alot harder than many probably believe. With a global audience, it's very difficult to even justify selling ads when you have an audience around the world. It's ineffective advertising for companies, thus making it very difficult to sell. I can understand people just not being able to afford it, but I don't believe that should automatically make it "BAD". I can't afford a 3DTV yet but that doesn't mean they suck. Why should us foreigners pay for something Koreans get for free though? If anything, you're just alienating the foreign audience with a pretty hefty price tag. | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
Keep in mind that the gomstreams were not pretty solid in the past, and now they are charging freaking 20bucks for lowqualitystream + 30bucks for vods. Nobody knows if he can watch it lagfree yet. 20Bucks doesnt seem much, but compared to other stuff like esl premium stream or even paytvpackages its so extremely expensive, I cant even tell. I mean for 3$ a month you can watch every freaking game that is streamed by esl in decent quality. I mean you get Counter Strike, SC2 and every other major game out there for 3 freaking bucks a month. No matter if there is a major tournament going on or just EPS and cups, you can watch it. And if you dont like to pay the 3 bucks, you can still watch it for free at low quality. For 20euro I get a tvsportspackage including major european soccer leagues and all Champions League games. The ChampionsLeague final is the biggest sportsevent here in europe (besides World and European CUPs)and its included in a 20 euro package. Now we got GSL... there is one month of highclass starcraft. I cant say anything against it, and charging money for streams is legit, but 20+30 bucks? Are you serious? No you cant! THiS MuST bE a JOkE! I would totally pay 5-10$ a month for an HD stream, I mean at least 720p when the VODs are included but I dont know where they take the 20+30$ from, I mean this is a skyhigh fee. There is nothing that vindicates that. I dont even know If I can watch all games because of the timezones. Will I be at home or not? Man All I can say is, that this is stupid... | ||
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krazymunky
United States727 Posts
Why should us foreigners pay for something Koreans get for free though? If anything, you're just alienating the foreign audience with a pretty hefty price tag. We get tasteless, and they dont! lol but yeah id rather watch korean streams for free then pay $20 (for only one month) for tasteless english commentary... | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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Ascorius
Norway275 Posts
My advice is to lower the price substantially, or to find sponsors (I can guarantee that its an easy task). Anything that feels too expensive, but that you can find illegally on the internet will be downloaded illegally.. thats just the simple truth. | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:30 djWHEAT wrote: I'll tell you why I think it's reasonable. Because I stream major events around the world... I know the time, the money, the production, everything that goes into doing something like this. So I can appreciate the fact that they have to recoup costs in order to continue to offer it to the fans. Everyone keeps talking about how the sponsors should be footing the bill. ... Did you see how much they are offering for prize money? I guarantee you that most (if not all) of that sponsor money went into that pool. Additionally, it's going to be ALOT harder for GOMtv to sell adverts on something like this because it's going out to a global audience. In case people didn't know, selling adverts on a stream is alot harder than many probably believe. With a global audience, it's very difficult to even justify selling ads when you have an audience around the world. It's ineffective advertising for companies, thus making it very difficult to sell. I can understand people just not being able to afford it, but I don't believe that should automatically make it "BAD". I can't afford a 3DTV yet but that doesn't mean they suck. Where did the get the money to get Yoon Do Hyun, DJ DOC, IU, and Rainbow to perform there then? These performers must be working for free. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Don't speak for all of team liquid, because I can guarantee people don't agree with you. I'm not speaking for everyone, I'm speaking for some of us. DJ was the one that lumped us all together and just made blanket statements about how ridiculous we're being for being upset about this. | ||
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OblivionMage
Canada377 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:32 Roffles wrote: Why should us foreigners pay for something Koreans get for free though? If anything, you're just alienating the foreign audience with a pretty hefty price tag. They can sell ads to an exclusively Korean audience much more easily than they can to a global audience. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. I'm bothered by this. We aren't asking for everything for free, I readily accept that GOM is a business, but I think you miss some major points. 1. What ever time the live stream is on, it will be a bad time for somewhere in the world, so shelling out 20 dollars for the privilege of watching StarCraft at 5am, is not going to make people happy. 2. If you live as I do in Europe, according to the website, I would struggle to watch Live at all, let alone a high quality stream, so paying 20 dollars for a low quality stream is quite steep. 3. A follow on from the time issue, not everyone watches either live or solely VODs, so why should I have to pay 50 dollars for a service I may only use half and half. 4.Arguably UFC lives because of PPV, but in addition, you fail to recognise that UFC also has free content, there was some word about being able to watch the first match for free, but I'm not entirely clued up about how that works. 5. GOM's service is notoriously bad, stream is laggy and unstable, VODs are often broken, mislabelled and it took them 2.5 Classic seasons to work out that you should upload 3 files for a best of 3 VOD, so that the series isn't spoiled in game 1. 6. We don't owe GOM anything, they are providing a service, and we are paying. The general scheme of thought is that the price is too high, and we are telling them this. I'm not entirely sure why there is such an issue, we are only complaining, because we are all potential customers. 7.Competition: Quite frankly, everyone else out there is doing it better, MLG had a free stream, IEM had a free stream, both have premium payment models, I don't see why they can't adopt this system. Arguably the only advantage that GOM have is commentators, even small time community guys like HDH are better in every other respect. 8. Demographic: Finally, you have to accept that a not insignificant percentage of GOM's potential viewer ship is jobless, for the next month, I have a whole 10 pounds to spend on luxury items, the GOM stream costs 12 pounds. I have to agree with alot of the voices in this thread, that this announcement came too late, I have a little amount of finances, so forward planning of how I spend my money is essential. Again, I'm not asking for everything for free, I would pay a small amount of money for just a stream, but the MMO like charges for a little content which is consistently unreliable is not workable for me. | ||
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:30 djWHEAT wrote: I'll tell you why I think it's reasonable. Because I stream major events around the world... I know the time, the money, the production, everything that goes into doing something like this. So I can appreciate the fact that they have to recoup costs in order to continue to offer it to the fans. Everyone keeps talking about how the sponsors should be footing the bill. ... Did you see how much they are offering for prize money? I guarantee you that most (if not all) of that sponsor money went into that pool. Additionally, it's going to be ALOT harder for GOMtv to sell adverts on something like this because it's going out to a global audience. In case people didn't know, selling adverts on a stream is alot harder than many probably believe. With a global audience, it's very difficult to even justify selling ads when you have an audience around the world. It's ineffective advertising for companies, thus making it very difficult to sell. I can understand people just not being able to afford it, but I don't believe that should automatically make it "BAD". I can't afford a 3DTV yet but that doesn't mean they suck. It's 50 dollars for A MONTH. This is what's bothering! you can't expect people to watch it consecutivly for the months to come. Not every one have a job TT__TT | ||
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