EPT[GSL] About GSL Streams and VODs - Page 31
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tg4u
Bulgaria125 Posts
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:02 Melt wrote: very sad to see that they want money. lol? Of course they want money, they need money to provide us streams and attract players. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. Thank you so much for speaking your mind as a respected member around these parts, I was starting to question my own sanity and reason from all the people who wont support esport. The argument that watching any other sport on television is free and so should streams be free is so wrong. Wake up and realise that the TV channels are able to provide you with entertainment because of advertising, there just isn't that much advertising in SC2 yet and especially not towards the foreign market. Also lets realise that even cable companies charge money to bring you this entertainment, but maybe you don't notice because your mom pays the bills? 20$ is something that you can plan your economy around in almost any situation. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. Ok Wheat. 1st acording to Gom there are 12 season a year 2nd they cannot even stream LQ to europe 3rd if you are from EU and their stream and vods lag all they time they dont refund you. 4th to compare SC2 to UFC.... Man first the SC2 should be widely "promoted" so that more people would be interested in it. And a one month 50$ package doesnt help with it. Also as some one quoted Gom forum posts. Yesterday stream supposed to be free and today its not anymore... | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
This is really disappointing, for a budding esport game like SC2 that already isn't doing as well as hoped in Korea, doing something like this won't help at all. Blizzard should help GOMTV out more in this aspect. Also pirating might become an issue with this current model, and we all know how tech savvy some hardcore SC2 nerds are. | ||
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xira
United States20 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. says the eSports guy who whines so much he whines about other people whining  a more constructive opinion would be to suggest a better value via pricing while empathizing with GOM, but this isn't a really productive rant; it's more inflammatory than anything | ||
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Badred
Canada129 Posts
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. They are charging an industry premium for a service that in the past hasn't even been reliable. Seeing as they are an eSports company based in Korea that is attempting to get a broader foreign audience, it makes more business sense to provide AT LEAST competitive pricing with other major foreign eSports companies. If anything, since they are entering a foreign market, they should be providing incentives to draw in a bigger customer base by providing CHEAPER or even FREE streams in the beginning. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:06 HeIios wrote: Thank you so much for speaking your mind as a respected member around these parts, I was starting to question my own sanity and reason from all the people who wont support esport. The argument that watching any other sport on television is free and so should streams be free is so wrong. Wake up and realise that the TV channels are able to provide you with entertainment because of advertising, there just isn't that much advertising in SC2 yet and especially not towards the foreign market. Also lets realise that even cable companies charge money to bring you this entertainment, but maybe you don't notice because your mom pays the bills? 20$ is something that you can plan your economy around in almost any situation. So I guess IEM and MLG are bankrupt from that free streaming option huh. Also don't compare it to cable, cable gets you hundreds of channels. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:08 xira wrote: says the eSports guy who whines so much he whines about other people whining a more constructive opinion would be to suggest a better value via pricing while empathizing with GOM, but this isn't a really productive rant; it's more inflammatory than anything Wheat has earned the right to voice his opinion however he wants, not to mention he knows what he's talking about since he's been around esports for probably longer than half of most peoples lives on TL. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. I don't think this is an appropriate way to paint this scene. It's not right to suggest that anyone who has an issue with this is "crying" about it as if we're all spoiled brats or self-righteous pirates or whatever. The issues I (and many other people) have with this are legitimate in the context of how you run a business and offer a product to a market. To suggest that we should simply accept bad policies and over pricing-because we desperately want the e-sports scene to thrive is irresponsible and, ironically, the mentality that will sink this business model faster than anything else. When MLG announced its paid "HD" stream, I had no qualms about shelling out some money, even though I would only be able to watch it for a couple of hours, because a) I felt that they were trying to offer a quality product at a reasonable price, b) I had confidence in their ability to execute based on past performance in other games and c) I wanted to help impact their decisions on future events. When GOM announced its paid stream, I had a number of issues. The most glaring is the price. I can afford $50 because I work full time and end up with some disposable income at the end of the day, but a sizable majority of the market demographic this tournament will appeal to is not in that position. They're teenagers without credit cards, college students on budgets or any number of situations where spending $50 to watch Starcraft simply isn't viable, especially not on any repeated basis. It's a lower quality stream and it's more expensive, and we shouldn't accept it simply because GOM is doing us the "favor" of making this an international tournament. Another troubling issue with the pricing is this decision to charge for two separate products. I can't watch the games during the week because of the time difference and the fact that I have obligations in the morning, but if I get the VOD only package, then I'm sitting with my thumbs up my ass on the weekend when people are watching the games live but I have to wait for the VODs. It's just a terrible idea, and they expect you to pay full price even if you buy both. Insane. Then we arrive at GOM's well-documented past with international streaming, which is certainly less than spectacular. I know they've tried to offer a good product, but they've failed at times, and to expect me to pay that much upfront on the simple faith that they're going to work out the kinks is a lot to ask, If they fall short it would be an absolute disaster in terms of e-sports credibility moving foward. No one is saying everything has to be free. All we want is not to be abused because it seems like we have no choice. If you ask me, that seems like what's happening here. | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
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SeaSmoke
United States326 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:06 HeIios wrote: Thank you so much for speaking your mind as a respected member around these parts, I was starting to question my own sanity and reason from all the people who wont support esport. The argument that watching any other sport on television is free and so should streams be free is so wrong. Wake up and realise that the TV channels are able to provide you with entertainment because of advertising, there just isn't that much advertising in SC2 yet and especially not towards the foreign market. Also lets realise that even cable companies charge money to bring you this entertainment, but maybe you don't notice because your mom pays the bills? 20$ is something that you can plan your economy around in almost any situation. Do you think I'd pay 20 dollars for just one TV show? Never in a million years, I'd pay that amount for... let's say, 20-30 dollars a month for a sports channel that will bring me my favorite sports 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Or will I get that amount of Starcraft 2 with this stream, with my HD television quality? Will I be able to record everything easily so that I can watch it again in high HD quality? | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote: I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports' NO... You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY. GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me. eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be. It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment. Except GOM's stream is unreliable and in Korea its free/ad-supported. And plus, with PPV, you can defray the huge cost by splitting with friends, or going to a bar and paying a cover. SO instead of $60, you pay $5. We aren't getting that option. MLG was able to provide a better free stream than GOM's premium high quality stream. Seriously, GOM | ||
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