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On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO...
You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.
GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.
eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.
It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.
On September 02 2010 01:40 jalstar wrote:
i would pay for this (VODs, can't watch live) if it were:
1. HD, meaning like 720P or 1080P.
2. ad-free
3. more big names, right now the only player with a really successful RTS history is Rainbow I think.
4. cheaper, $30 is too much for a one-month tourney, it should be $10-20 with free low quality VODs.
The stream thing doesn't affect me but that sucks anyway.
It's not that it's not free, it's that it's overpriced for what it is.
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On September 02 2010 01:41 Lambast wrote:
I think it's as season pass for all three tourneys they are holding this season? If that's the case, I will probably pay for the livestream.
"Season LIVE Ticket
This allows you to watch every streaming Live Show on gomtv.net during the season.
You can enjoy over 150 set game live shows!
Price : $19.95 (inc. Tax)"
I would pay $20 if it was an actual high quality stream for the whole season.
When does this season end?
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The "season" is just for this month I believe.
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Paying for VoDs? That's completely retarded. A paid stream is semi-okay, but everyone should be able to watch the VoDs after the tournament.
Each one of the 30 people who will pay for your services will greatly help you reach out to the rest of the world. If you had a free stream and good sponsors, you'd make far more money from the sponsorship deals with 500 times the viewers.
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO...
You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.
GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.
eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.
It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.
You're supposed to make the money off sponsorship, not from paid streams. Also rest of my post.
It's not that I can't afford 20 dollars, it's the principle that I'm not paying that kind of an amount for just a fucking stream or VoDs.
EDIT: But if you're so rich you enjoy giving money away, I'll happily accept any you'd have to spare.
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On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO...
There's nothing wrong with paying, but 50 bucks a month for a stream that won't even be HQ and vods you can't keep? Please.
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On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO...
You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.
GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.
eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.
It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.
They have two enormous sponsors.
Intel and TG. They make huge amounts of money on advertising within Korea on this stuff as well.
The foreign SC2 scene IS NOT READY to shell out money for stuff like this, and GOM should have known that coming into it. They should have done their god damned research. Check the thread on the SC2 general forum. Something like 20 people out of 700 said they were willing to pay for the live stream.
Also DJ: are you serious? You think this price is reasonable? It's a 500k stream. 500k!! Do you have any idea how crappy that is?
There are other ways to make money on events like this without trying to gouge people. You think the Koreans are going to have to pay to watch this? Hell no, because there will be advertisements. Gretech is an incompetent organization and all they had to do was line up some advertising dough to EASILLLY pay for the streaming, plus make a profit.
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I'd pay 30$ for stream AND vods, not 50$ combined. Splitting them up is just greedy. Boo.
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I don't mind paying for the streams, but are we expected to pay EVERY MONTH for a new subscription ($20 for live + $30 for VODs)? If a "season" were a full year or even 6 months, this would seem like a fair price, but if GOM expects fans to pay a minimum of $20 a month, that is simply absurb. Unlike most people in this thread i will not jump to conclusions and start wallowing in self-pity without researching more, but I certainly hope a "season" is more than a single month.
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Kennigit
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On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO...
You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.
GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.
eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.
It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.
I would pay 20$ FOR A FREAKING PROPER STREAM. Why should I pay if I know that stream will LIKELY not work.
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On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
It's not $20, since most people won't be able to watch live, either because it's the wrong time for them or their connection isn't good enough. Really, it's more like ~35 on average.
But the worst part is that you can't recommend it to less enthusiastic friends. Others watching the tournaments adds to your entertainment. It works the same way for every sport.
Also, I'm not sure what does this have to do with shallowness. Don't see how deciding not to buy a product can reflect badly on you as a person.
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Yeah this is just dumb. $20 a month for streams of questionable quality with ToS like that is a joke. I'm all about supporting esports, I paid for MLG premium and was looking forward to paying for a GSL premium stream but not for such a ridiculous price. I hope they reconsider.
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On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO...
You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.
GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.
eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.
It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.
I agree that those complaining or acting outraged at having to pay any price to watch SC are wrong. But I think you need to take a closer look at the prices that GOM is charging for the product they are offering. Most of the good posts in this thread and on GOM's forums aren't protesting that they are charging for video but that the announcement came so late, the service seems like it will be highly unreliable, and it is simply too expensive relative to competing products
( http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/2786 sums it up).
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Does anyone know what time they start broadcasting for each day? The site just says days, which isn't very useful.
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On September 02 2010 01:52 Smackzilla wrote:
Does anyone know what time they start broadcasting for each day? The site just says days, which isn't very useful.
3 AM Pacific, 6 AM Eastern, so most people won't even be able to watch anyway and will have to shell out $30 for VODs if they want to watch legally...
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Please, please, just advertise to me! I'm very impressionable. I'll buy any stupid thing. Doritos? nom nom nom. Dr. Pepper? Bear Semen Pocari Sweat? DELICIOUS. Flying on Korean Air? Let's la go~
But please, give me a free stream and/or VODs that I can link to my friends and grow your audience for you exponentially...
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Your current PC Internet Speed : 213Kbps
It will be difficult for you to watch LIVE at this speed.
thats whats the gom site is saying - here i have 50 connection - so i doubt the stream will be very enjoyable even beside the low quality and the high price
gom cleary misses the oppertunity to promote the really big prize pool
but most important thing
i think its possbile if enough people saying "NO" there might be a chance that we will have a free of charge ad covered stream - blizzard even chnaged their plans to force people to use their real names on bnet forums
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On September 02 2010 01:45 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'
NO... There's nothing wrong with paying, but 50 bucks a month for a stream that won't even be HQ and vods you can't keep? Please.
esp if we still get bombed by ads.
and really ads work. mlg spam made me go out and buy doritos. razers support of sc2 made me get a deathadder instead of a mx518.
in the end you cant demand the average guy to pay 50$ for 1 month to watch stuff at all (with unknown quality) in the internet. it just doesnt work.
also as i said in the other thread a free stream + paid hq stream creates a totally different mindset. im pretty sure that more people would upgrade for 15$ or whatever to hq to support em. but when you have to pay so much(and yes, the price of the game itself is much) to watch it at all the vast vast majority will just a) go the "illegal" route per restream/youtube/torrents or b) ignore it all together.
the audience this way will be maybe 1/50 of what it could be. they could get hundred thousands of views to the target audience of their sponsors. they could draw in masses of average joe people and really make this a big thing. now only the dedicated people will care. which just isnt good for sc2,for esports,for the people, for gom or their sponsors.
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Actually I think the quality of the streams will be very very good. When I run the bandwidth check it says I have only about 450Kbps but if I look at Netlimiter during the check I'm running close to 4000Kbps. It looks to me like it's just a mislabeling and the streams will actually be 300/500KBps or 2.4/4.0Mbps. 1 Byte = 8 bits. If that's the case then the streams will be extremely high quality. Still not worth $50 a month of course but still...
That's assuming they beef up their servers so they can actually deliver it. (my connection is 100Mbit)
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On September 01 2010 23:31 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:29 PrinceXizor wrote:On September 01 2010 23:27 Piski wrote:On September 01 2010 23:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
Is it possible that a season = a year and a season is made up of the 12 monthly tournaments? if that is true 20 dollars and more for vods seems reasonable. Correct? I think someone already confirmed that a season is only a month long. But I guess I could be wrong I think it's only been assumed at this point. but having seasons be 1 month seems rediculous. since if SC2 lasts 5 years (2 years beyond the last expansion) we would be on season 60 by the end of it? and if it lasts as long as BW hundreds of seasons??? No, it seems that a GOM employee has confirmed that one "season" is just one GSL tournament, which will be about a month long: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/forum/2787
Just to clarify (I think you were referring to my reply on his post), I'm not a GOMtv employee :p I'm just spreading the information I found on the newspost made on their website about the event since lots of people seem to have missed it.
http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/news/174
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