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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 01 2010 17:17 GMT
#621
It's not HD, lets not get ahead of ourselves there shikyo
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TheNomad
Profile Joined April 2010
United States134 Posts
September 01 2010 17:17 GMT
#622
So if I want to see them live and re-watch them I am paying 50 bucks? For one month? SC2 was 60.00 bucks in itself, I am almost positive not even 10% of people who normally watch videos will be paying for this.
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
September 01 2010 17:17 GMT
#623
On September 02 2010 02:10 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 02:06 HeIios wrote:
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'

NO...

You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.

GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.

eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.

It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.


Thank you so much for speaking your mind as a respected member around these parts, I was starting to question my own sanity and reason from all the people who wont support esport.

The argument that watching any other sport on television is free and so should streams be free is so wrong. Wake up and realise that the TV channels are able to provide you with entertainment because of advertising, there just isn't that much advertising in SC2 yet and especially not towards the foreign market. Also lets realise that even cable companies charge money to bring you this entertainment, but maybe you don't notice because your mom pays the bills?

20$ is something that you can plan your economy around in almost any situation.


So I guess IEM and MLG are bankrupt from that free streaming option huh.

Also don't compare it to cable, cable gets you hundreds of channels.


So I guess IEM and MLG have an easier time getting western companies to sponsor them huh.

Imagine if europe was the center of SC2 esport in the world and we had to provide a stream to Korea. How would we go about it? Tell our western sponsors to pay for bandwith to a korean market so they can view the games for free?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
September 01 2010 17:17 GMT
#624
Horrible.
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krazymunky
Profile Joined June 2008
United States727 Posts
September 01 2010 17:18 GMT
#625
On September 02 2010 02:12 SeaSmoke wrote:
Is the Korean stream free?


good question. anyone know the answer to this?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 01 2010 17:19 GMT
#626
On September 02 2010 02:17 ZlaSHeR wrote:
It's not HD, lets not get ahead of ourselves there shikyo

I know, that's what I'm saying.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
September 01 2010 17:20 GMT
#627
BroOd's post is so great.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 17:22:15
September 01 2010 17:20 GMT
#628
On September 02 2010 02:09 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'

NO...

You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.

GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.

eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.

It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.


They are charging an industry premium for a service that in the past hasn't even been reliable. Seeing as they are an eSports company based in Korea that is attempting to get a broader foreign audience, it makes more business sense to provide AT LEAST competitive pricing with other major foreign eSports companies. If anything, since they are entering a foreign market, they should be providing incentives to draw in a bigger customer base by providing CHEAPER or even FREE streams in the beginning.



exactly.



apart from my own dissapointment i just dont understand what they are trying to achieve with this.

their competition offers free streams ,is known for quality, is overall well known etc. now gom , a company no one outside of TL knows on this side of the planet,comes in and says "give us 30-50$ or you get nothing. " . this cant work. at all. its so stupid from a business point of view that i just cant understand it.

they had the chance to really create a HUGE hype here. i def was preparing to tell evryone i know from old clans/guilds about the gsl. they wouldve had a insanely huge audience after some time and evryone would talk about it. evryone wouldve loved gom.

now exactly the opposite will happen. 2-300 guys will pay, people will think bad about gom, the interested TL user will find ways to see it for free and the rest wont care much.



On September 02 2010 02:17 HeIios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 02:10 jalstar wrote:
On September 02 2010 02:06 HeIios wrote:
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'

NO...

You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.

GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.

eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.

It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.


Thank you so much for speaking your mind as a respected member around these parts, I was starting to question my own sanity and reason from all the people who wont support esport.

The argument that watching any other sport on television is free and so should streams be free is so wrong. Wake up and realise that the TV channels are able to provide you with entertainment because of advertising, there just isn't that much advertising in SC2 yet and especially not towards the foreign market. Also lets realise that even cable companies charge money to bring you this entertainment, but maybe you don't notice because your mom pays the bills?

20$ is something that you can plan your economy around in almost any situation.


So I guess IEM and MLG are bankrupt from that free streaming option huh.

Also don't compare it to cable, cable gets you hundreds of channels.


So I guess IEM and MLG have an easier time getting western companies to sponsor them huh.

Imagine if europe was the center of SC2 esport in the world and we had to provide a stream to Korea. How would we go about it? Tell our western sponsors to pay for bandwith to a korean market so they can view the games for free?


yeah those weird unknown korean sponsors like intel or tg really have no interest in the biggest electronic markets of the world like USA or germany eh?
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Melt
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland281 Posts
September 01 2010 17:20 GMT
#629
On September 02 2010 02:04 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 02:02 Melt wrote:
very sad to see that they want money.

lol? Of course they want money, they need money to provide us streams and attract players.


i need to specify.

want money FROM ME!
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
September 01 2010 17:20 GMT
#630
Internet connection: 100mbit down/100mbit up

GOMTV bandwidth check: 266kbps.

No thanks. Problem's on your end.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
September 01 2010 17:20 GMT
#631
I think the main problem people have is just the cost for a service that has a horrendus track record (unreliable, delayed VODS, slow speed) and the fact that you'd be paying for live stream access on a timezone that is way different from your own.

Bleh :s
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OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
September 01 2010 17:21 GMT
#632
On September 02 2010 02:11 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'

NO...

You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.

GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.

eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.

It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.

I don't think this is an appropriate way to paint this scene. It's not right to suggest that anyone who has an issue with this is "crying" about it as if we're all spoiled brats or self-righteous pirates or whatever. The issues I (and many other people) have with this are legitimate in the context of how you run a business and offer a product to a market. To suggest that we should simply accept bad policies and over pricing-because we desperately want the e-sports scene to thrive is irresponsible and, ironically, the mentality that will sink this business model faster than anything else.

When MLG announced its paid "HD" stream, I had no qualms about shelling out some money, even though I would only be able to watch it for a couple of hours, because a) I felt that they were trying to offer a quality product at a reasonable price, b) I had confidence in their ability to execute based on past performance in other games and c) I wanted to help impact their decisions on future events.

When GOM announced its paid stream, I had a number of issues. The most glaring is the price. I can afford $50 because I work full time and end up with some disposable income at the end of the day, but a sizable majority of the market demographic this tournament will appeal to is not in that position. They're teenagers without credit cards, college students on budgets or any number of situations where spending $50 to watch Starcraft simply isn't viable, especially not on any repeated basis. It's a lower quality stream and it's more expensive, and we shouldn't accept it simply because GOM is doing us the "favor" of making this an international tournament.

Another troubling issue with the pricing is this decision to charge for two separate products. I can't watch the games during the week because of the time difference and the fact that I have obligations in the morning, but if I get the VOD only package, then I'm sitting with my thumbs up my ass on the weekend when people are watching the games live but I have to wait for the VODs. It's just a terrible idea, and they expect you to pay full price even if you buy both. Insane.

Then we arrive at GOM's well-documented past with international streaming, which is certainly less than spectacular. I know they've tried to offer a good product, but they've failed at times, and to expect me to pay that much upfront on the simple faith that they're going to work out the kinks is a lot to ask, If they fall short it would be an absolute disaster in terms of e-sports credibility moving foward.

No one is saying everything has to be free. All we want is not to be abused because it seems like we have no choice. If you ask me, that seems like what's happening here.

Agree 100%. The biggest problem for me is the separation of Live and VoD. I obviously want to watch as much live as possible but realistically with the time difference and working full time I would have to watch many games from VoDs. Paying for either one alone would be a sad situation either way and paying $50 a month, while totally affordable, would feel like a complete rip-off. I had no qualms about paying for premium at IEM or MLG but this is just wildly overpriced.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 17:22:28
September 01 2010 17:21 GMT
#633
On September 02 2010 02:18 krazymunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 02:12 SeaSmoke wrote:
Is the Korean stream free?


good question. anyone know the answer to this?

Someone posted here (without any source) that the Korean stream will indeed be free. GOM has not commented one way or another (I asked them on their forums, no response).

If true, this just makes GOM's pricing seem all the more outrageous. They're purposely putting the screws only to non-Korean fans?
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 01 2010 17:22 GMT
#634
So.....if its free to Koreans, then it's no more illegal than having 8-10 team liquidians restreaming proleague or OSL or MSL.

So why the hell aren't we just going to have that.
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HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
September 01 2010 17:23 GMT
#635
On September 02 2010 02:22 ZlaSHeR wrote:
So.....if its free to Koreans, then it's no more illegal than having 8-10 team liquidians restreaming proleague or OSL or MSL.

So why the hell aren't we just going to have that.


It's the english commentary stream we're talking about here.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 17:25:12
September 01 2010 17:24 GMT
#636
Gonna restream every game off OGN. Don't need overpriced GOM streams at 300/500 kbps when I can get OGN at 1500 for free.

Don't get me wrong, I love English commentary, but in this case forking out money separately for livestreams and VODs is ridiculous.
God Bless
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
September 01 2010 17:24 GMT
#637
On September 02 2010 02:20 JWD wrote:
BroOd's post was posted by BroOd.


fixed ^^
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
September 01 2010 17:24 GMT
#638
On September 02 2010 02:22 ZlaSHeR wrote:
So.....if its free to Koreans, then it's no more illegal than having 8-10 team liquidians restreaming proleague or OSL or MSL.

I doubt it...do OSL and MSL offer a service so that people outside Korea can pay to watch their networks?
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poNji
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands90 Posts
September 01 2010 17:25 GMT
#639
I think it's being blown WAY out of proportion. Yes people are frustrated and yet even though I do agree with djWHEAT, a lot of people just don't want to buy it due to not having the guarantee of having a smooth and stable stream for the price that they pay. Especially the bandwidth check doesn't look all that promising from what I've heard so far.

So yes, for a lot of people their motivation might be that they either can't or just won't pay 20$ for the stream. But also for a lot of people they are just worried about the quality of the stream. 20$ isn't much, but it's not nothing either. I myself don't really feel like spending 20$ on a 500kbps stream that I might not even be able to watch due to the connection from Europe to Korea (bandwidth check says that I have 260kbps internet). Also 500k isn't even that great quality, iirc the MLG free stream was 600kbps and I found that quite disappointing quality honestly.

So yes, I can understand people's frustrations but as I said, it's being blown WAY out of proportion.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 17:29:17
September 01 2010 17:26 GMT
#640
On September 02 2010 01:43 djWHEAT wrote:
I cannot believe about the fucking amount of QQ going on in this thread. Are there really people so shallow that they can't shell out $20 bucks for a Season Pass? And then people are making comments like "Oh god this will kill eSports'

NO...

You will kill eSports by not supporting stuff like this. As great as it's been to get free shit all the time from broadcasters, the community, etc... to do something of this magnitude takes time and MONEY.

GOMTV is a business at the end of the day. The fact that they are event catering to a global audience is a big step, and instead of criticizing it we should be embracing it. It really just doesn't make any damned sense to me.

eSports isn't a fucking torrent portal. You don't and shouldn't get everything for free. Just like how UFC has it's free content and it's PPV. It LIVES because of the PPV's. The sooner we all accept that eSports has to go this direction in order to grow to the level we want it to... the better off we'll all be.

It's really disappointing to me to see so many people bitching about a price that will ultimately deliver a ton of entertainment.


Yes, we're complaining solely about the fact that it's not free.

Not about the fact that it's extremely overpriced, is almost guaranteed to be a shitty stream that's not truly HQ, charging for VOD's and streams separately, and that despite the fact that Gretech has promoted the idea of getting foreigners into the scene, they're just fucking with them.

It's none of this, it's solely about the fact that it's not free.
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